A legislator in Germany took to the floor of the Bundestag this past week, and let slip a date: September 24.

Here is video of what he said on the floor of the Germany legislature:

I have had this translated.   He said:

"Dear colleagues, this 24. of September 2022 will be a day remaining in our memories as a day we will say, I remember exactly where I was"

So, what is it that is going to take place that day?  What do they know is coming, or better still, what are they PLANNING?

cont'd
https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/ooops-german-legislator-lets-slip-the-date

You, Blooby and Yadda should all blow each other.

Friggin' incels.

I've seen articles on the End of the World today.
As I'm in Australia and way ahead of you guys in America (back there at the 'end of the world') - I can confirm that we here in Australia are still not experiencing an end of the world apocalypse though I am listening to 'apocalypso' by Mental as Anything.

Since Biden came to power, there's been a renaissance of all things UFO's, Loch Ness, BigFoot, Yeti's, Crop Circles and more. With better technology, they are even more believable than ever before!

My guess is that today is the day Marla tells AiA he's gonna be a daddy?

Marla wrote on Sep 24^th, 2022 at 6:44am:

You, Blooby and Yadda should all blow each other. Friggin' incels.

Marla obviously fantasizes about men having sex with men a lot. ::)

Is there any chance we can setup a GoFundMe page for woody so we can get him the medication he so desperately needs?

Seriously?

https://www.france24.com/en/tv-shows/truth-or-fake/20220921-no-a-german-mp-did-not-predict-an-apocalypse-for-september-24

Speaking of another troll who fantasizes about men having sex with men, here'ssss Peccary!!!!

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greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 24^th, 2022 at 8:01am:

Is there any chance we can setup a GoFundMe page for woody so we can get him the medication he so desperately needs? Seriously? https://www.france24.com/en/tv-shows/truth-or-fake/20220921-no-a-german-mp-did-not-predict-an-apocalypse-for-september-24

How we going with that GoFundMe page?

I'm not sure woody should go much longer without his meds.

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 24^th, 2022 at 8:01am:

https://www.france24.com/en/tv-shows/truth-or-fake/20220921-no-a-german-mp-did-not-predict-an-apocalypse-for-september-24

Ever heard of the term damage control?

Kinda like all those war games going on around New York on 9/11, you know, the ones that confused all the air defenses.

Air traffic controller: "Is this real world or exercise?"

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Not so.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_government_operations_and_exercises_on_September_11,_2001

wombatwoody wrote on Sep 24^th, 2022 at 4:54pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 24th, 2022 at 8:01am: https://www.france24.com/en/tv-shows/truth-or-fake/20220921-no-a-german-mp-did-not-predict-an-apocalypse-for-september-24 Ever heard of the term damage control?

Ever heard of the term lunatic conspiracy theorist who needs professional help?

Marla wrote on Sep 24^th, 2022 at 6:44am:

You, Blooby and Yadda should all blow each other. Friggin' incels.

Marla obviously fantasizes about men having sex with men a lot. ::)



[nods]    ....yep, sexual fantasies about men having sex with men,   ....endlessly.

Is that what is termed an unhealthy 'fixation', psychologically ?              ::)

chimera wrote on Sep 24^th, 2022 at 5:13pm:

Not so. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_government_operations_and_exercises_on_September_11,_2001

Little did we know at the time, 9/11 was not a normal day of blue sky aviation. On the contrary, it was one of the busiest days in the history of American aviation, a dense forest of live fly exercises, drills, simulations, fake radar injects and utter confusion. And that was before the attacks even began. This is the story of 9/11 that you didn’t watch unfold on your TV that fateful day in 2001. This is the story of the 9/11 War Games.

For those with limited bandwidth, CLICK HERE to download a smaller, lower file size version of this episode.

For those interested in audio quality, CLICK HERE for the highest-quality version of this episode (WARNING: very large download).

https://www.corbettreport.com/911wargames/

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 24^th, 2022 at 5:33pm:

wombatwoody wrote on Sep 24th, 2022 at 4:54pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 24th, 2022 at 8:01am: https://www.france24.com/en/tv-shows/truth-or-fake/20220921-no-a-german-mp-did-not-predict-an-apocalypse-for-september-24 Ever heard of the term damage control? Ever heard of the term lunatic conspiracy theorist who needs professional help?

Conspiracies  happen, Get used to it.

wombatwoody wrote on Sep 24^th, 2022 at 11:42pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 24th, 2022 at 5:33pm: wombatwoody wrote on Sep 24th, 2022 at 4:54pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 24th, 2022 at 8:01am: https://www.france24.com/en/tv-shows/truth-or-fake/20220921-no-a-german-mp-did-not-predict-an-apocalypse-for-september-24 Ever heard of the term damage control? Ever heard of the term lunatic conspiracy theorist who needs professional help? Conspiracies  happen, Get used to it.

Yet you never have any proof for any of yours.

I wonder why that might be    ;)

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6282974/

wombatwoody wrote on Sep 24^th, 2022 at 11:38pm:

On the contrary, it was one of the busiest days in the history of American aviation, a dense forest of live fly exercises, drills, simulations, fake radar injects and utter confusion.

Ah yes but not one live fly aircraft exercise on the radar in New York that day.
No description of any test aircraft injected into radar in New York that day.

wombatwoody wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2022 at 10:32pm:

A legislator in Germany took to the floor of the Bundestag this past week, and let slip a date: September 24. Here is video of what he said on the floor of the Germany legislature: I have had this translated.   He said: "Dear colleagues, this 24. of September 2022 will be a day remaining in our memories as a day we will say, I remember exactly where I was" So, what is it that is going to take place that day?  What do they know is coming, or better still, what are they PLANNING?

Well, now we know.

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/09/24/05/62751059-0-image-a-44_1663993313641.jpg

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 25^th, 2022 at 6:59am:

wombatwoody wrote on Sep 24th, 2022 at 11:42pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 24th, 2022 at 5:33pm: wombatwoody wrote on Sep 24th, 2022 at 4:54pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 24th, 2022 at 8:01am: https://www.france24.com/en/tv-shows/truth-or-fake/20220921-no-a-german-mp-did-not-predict-an-apocalypse-for-september-24 Ever heard of the term damage control? Ever heard of the term lunatic conspiracy theorist who needs professional help? Conspiracies  happen, Get used to it. Yet you never have any proof for any of yours. I wonder why that might be    ;) https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6282974/

You just shot yourself in the foot.



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In fact, conspiracy theories sometimes turn out to be true (e.g., Watergate; incidents of corporate corruption)

chimera wrote on Sep 25^th, 2022 at 1:11pm:

Ah yes but not one live fly aircraft exercise on the radar in New York that day. No description of any test aircraft injected into radar in New York that day.

Not just New York - all over the place.

From the transcript:

In addition we have a confirmation thanks to General Richard Myers who was acting Chairman of the Joint Chiefs who told Richard Clarke, as reported in Clarke's book, that there was another exercise, Vigilant Warrior, which was, in fact, according to a NORAD source a live fly hijack drill being conducted at the same time.

With only eight available fighter aircraft, and they have to be dispatched in pairs, they were dealing with as many as 22 possible hijacks on the day of 9/11 and they couldn't separate the war game exercises from the actual hijacks.



There are many ways to describe the FAA, DoD and NORAD response to the events of 9/11. But given that, according to the official 9/11 conspiracy theory, not a single fighter jet was able to intercept a single hijacked airliner between the first hijacking report at 8:20 AM and Flight 93's downing nearly two hours later at 10:03 AM, the claim that the response to these events was actually enhanced by the war games and exercises taking place that morning is downright absurd.

   


This persistent confusion over the reality of what was happening that day is hardly surprising. Although the exact details are still shrouded under a cloud of official secrecy, on the morning of 9/11 NORAD was in the middle of a week-long war game that "coincidentally" included simulated hijackings of passenger jets.

"Vigilant Guardian" is an annual command post exercise involving all levels of NORAD command. Vigilant Guardian 01 was a week-long war game described as a "simulated air war," and, just two days before 9/11, it had involved a simulated terrorist hijacking of a civilian passenger jet by terrorists intending to blow the plane up with explosives over New York City. Even more remarkably, on the very morning of September 11th, they were planning to simulate another passenger jet hijacking just one hour after the attacks began to unfold.
   
In 2006, Vanity Fair reporter Michael Bronner was the first journalist given access to the tapes of NORAD operations that morning. In his subsequent article on the subject, "9/11 Live: The NORAD Tapes," Bronner talked to Lieutenant Colonel Kevin Nasypany, the mission-crew commander on the "ops" floor at the Northeast Air Defense Sector on the morning of 9/11.

    "When they told me there was a hijack, my first reaction was 'Somebody started the exercise early,'" Nasypany later told me. The day's exercise was designed to run a range of scenarios, including a "traditional" simulated hijack in which politically motivated perpetrators commandeer an aircraft, land on a Cuba-like island, and seek asylum. "I actually said out loud, 'The hijack's not supposed to be for another hour,'" Nasypany recalled.



As a command post exercise, Vigilant Guardian was not conducted with real airplanes but what's known as "sim over live," where simulated aircraft are injected into NORAD's air traffic system. Although the official narrative holds that the simulated injects were cleared from NORAD's radars as soon as they appeared, thus causing no confusion, the actual NORAD tapes tell a different story.

At 9:04 AM, directly after Flight 175 crashed into the South Tower, two officers monitoring the events at NORAD's Northeast Air Defense Sector (NEADS) can be heard to refer to the events as potential exercise "inputs."

 

 
In the face of this overwhelming documentary evidence that the exercises taking place that morning were a persistent source of distraction that significantly complicated response efforts, the retort of the 9/11 Commission and its proponents that these false radar blips were a minor issue that "at most cost us 30 seconds" rings exceedingly hollow.

But that official story becomes even more implausible when it is learned that air traffic controllers and military personnel were not responding to four, clearly reported hijacked aircraft, as the public now imagines it, but as many as 29 potential hijackings.

False radar inputs. Military aircraft participating in exercises in the middle of a crisis. Civilian aircraft squawking false hijack reports. Fighter jets chasing phantom planes.



Did the war games help the perpetrators of 9/11 in their attack?

The answers to these questions, like so many other questions about the events of September 11th, remain shrouded under a veil of official government secrecy.

The exercises taking place on 9/11 could only be to the benefit of the attackers. No stand down order would have kept any dedicated fighter pilot worth his salt grounded during the only attack on his country's air space in his lifetime. But if those fighter pilots and their commanders had no idea what was real and what was fake, what was an actual threat and what was just a phantom blip, then their response could be effectively contained.

And it was. The utter "failure" of the air response that morning is proof of that.

wombatwoody wrote on Sep 25^th, 2022 at 4:20pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 25th, 2022 at 6:59am: wombatwoody wrote on Sep 24th, 2022 at 11:42pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 24th, 2022 at 5:33pm: wombatwoody wrote on Sep 24th, 2022 at 4:54pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 24th, 2022 at 8:01am: https://www.france24.com/en/tv-shows/truth-or-fake/20220921-no-a-german-mp-did-not-predict-an-apocalypse-for-september-24 Ever heard of the term damage control? Ever heard of the term lunatic conspiracy theorist who needs professional help? Conspiracies  happen, Get used to it. Yet you never have any proof for any of yours. I wonder why that might be    ;) https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6282974/ You just shot yourself in the foot. Quote: In fact, conspiracy theories sometimes turn out to be true (e.g., Watergate; incidents of corporate corruption)

Indeed.

But none of yours have ever turned out to be true.

You post bullshit.  Nothing but complete & utter bullshit.

What happened on September 24 - Robby Williams butchered an Australian classic?

Was that the big event you were talking about?

wombatwoody wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2022 at 10:32pm:

A legislator in Germany took to the floor of the Bundestag this past week, and let slip a date: September 24. Here is video of what he said on the floor of the Germany legislature: I have had this translated.   He said: "Dear colleagues, this 24. of September 2022 will be a day remaining in our memories as a day we will say, I remember exactly where I was" So, what is it that is going to take place that day?  What do they know is coming, or better still, what are they PLANNING?

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I would suggest being completely squared away with food, medical, emergency shelter, and heat, plus a means to protect it by the 24th.. form a tribe, safety in numbers.

LOL... so nothing particularly unique, doom-laden, destructive or
catastrophic happened anywhere on the planet yesterday 24 September. 
Just ANOTHER bullshit conspiracy theorist with his hand on his todger.            ;D

AusGeoff wrote on Sep 25^th, 2022 at 4:45pm:

wombatwoody wrote on Sep 23rd, 2022 at 10:32pm: A legislator in Germany took to the floor of the Bundestag this past week, and let slip a date: September 24. Here is video of what he said on the floor of the Germany legislature: I have had this translated.   He said: "Dear colleagues, this 24. of September 2022 will be a day remaining in our memories as a day we will say, I remember exactly where I was" So, what is it that is going to take place that day?  What do they know is coming, or better still, what are they PLANNING? Quote: I would suggest being completely squared away with food, medical, emergency shelter, and heat, plus a means to protect it by the 24th.. form a tribe, safety in numbers. LOL... so nothing particularly unique, doom-laden, destructive or catastrophic happened anywhere on the planet yesterday 24 September.  Just ANOTHER bullshit conspiracy theorist with his hand on his todger.            ;D

I dunno.

Did you see Delta's performance at the ALF Grand Final?   :-/

  ;D   ;D   ;D  ^  ^  ^

wombatwoody wrote on Sep 25^th, 2022 at 4:20pm:

Not just New York - all over the place. .

Wrong. There was no radar inject except for one after the attack which was removed.

'During the Cold War, NORAD focused on external threats: long-range bombers and intercontinental ballistic missiles.  In the aftermath of the 9-11 attacks, this Air Defense Sector pioneered many of the changes that now allow it to build a detailed internal air picture to identify and engage air threats originating within North America'.
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There were no live test planes in New York that day. NORAD had no focus on civilian jets. That would be for the air ports to monitor and phone the air force. Any NORAD inject would not appear on those radars.

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What's on tomorrow?

For woody it'll just be another day googling conspiranut sites :D

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 25^th, 2022 at 4:23pm:

wombatwoody wrote on Sep 25th, 2022 at 4:20pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 25th, 2022 at 6:59am: wombatwoody wrote on Sep 24th, 2022 at 11:42pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 24th, 2022 at 5:33pm: wombatwoody wrote on Sep 24th, 2022 at 4:54pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 24th, 2022 at 8:01am: https://www.france24.com/en/tv-shows/truth-or-fake/20220921-no-a-german-mp-did-not-predict-an-apocalypse-for-september-24 Ever heard of the term damage control? Ever heard of the term lunatic conspiracy theorist who needs professional help? Conspiracies  happen, Get used to it. Yet you never have any proof for any of yours. I wonder why that might be    ;) https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6282974/ You just shot yourself in the foot. Quote: In fact, conspiracy theories sometimes turn out to be true (e.g., Watergate; incidents of corporate corruption) Indeed. But none of yours have ever turned out to be true.

Not so. The official 9/11 story has been scientifically disproved. You don't know that because the media's refused to report it.


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What happened on September 24

They postponed it. But they're planning something. They will not go quietly into the night. They know if they lose it's off to the gallows with them, for crimes against humanity - Nuremberg 2.0.

( Hey, the scientific report is in the media. That's how you can link it)
(The Germans did something very, very bad. Can't tell you, it's not in the media but it must be bad if it means the gallows. Science).

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chimera wrote on Sep 25^th, 2022 at 6:09pm:

wombatwoody wrote on Sep 25th, 2022 at 4:20pm: Not just New York - all over the place. . Wrong. There was no radar inject except for one after the attack which was removed. 'During the Cold War, NORAD focused on external threats: long-range bombers and intercontinental ballistic missiles.  In the aftermath of the 9-11 attacks, this Air Defense Sector pioneered many of the changes that now allow it to build a detailed internal air picture to identify and engage air threats originating within North America'. -- There were no live test planes in New York that day. NORAD had no focus on civilian jets. That would be for the air ports to monitor and phone the air force. Any NORAD inject would not appear on those radars.

Why won't you read the transcript, linked above?



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Although the official narrative holds that the simulated injects were cleared from NORAD's radars as soon as they appeared, thus causing no confusion, the actual NORAD tapes tell a different story. At 9:04 AM, directly after Flight 175 crashed into the South Tower, two officers monitoring the events at NORAD's Northeast Air Defense Sector (NEADS) can be heard to refer to the events as potential exercise "inputs."     09:04:50     SPEAKER 1: Is this explosion part of that that we're lookin' at now on TV?     SPEAKER 2: Yes.     SPEAKER 1: Jesus …     SPEAKER 2: And there's a possible second hijack also—a United Airlines …     SPEAKER 1: Two planes?…     SPEAKER 2: Get the  …     SPEAKER 1: I think this is a damn input, to be honest.     SOURCE: Vanity Fair At 9:09 AM, one NEADS technician complains about the exercises taking place and the confusion with real world events.     BACKGROUND MALE SPEAKER: Langley's on battle stations.     FEMALE SPEAKER: bugger.     FEMALE SPEAKER 2: What?     BACKGROUND MALE SPEAKER: Battle stations.     FEMALE SPEAKER: Langley.     FEMALE SPEAKER: LFI.     FEMALE SPEAKER: I know. I hope they cancel the exercise, because this is ridiculous.     SOURCE: DRM1_DAT2_Channel_4_ID_Op [TRANSCRIPT] And at 9:15 AM, an off-duty NEADS technician calls in to ask about the day's events and the ongoing exercise.     SGT. ZUBON: You guys watching the news?     NEADS TECHNICIAN: Yeah, they've got it on in the battlecab right now.     ZUBON: Oh, do they?     NEADS: Yeah.     ZUBON: Yeah, I've been watching it for about ten minutes, and I said "I wonder if          they're—did they suspend the exercise?"     NEADS: Not at this time, no.

Yes they thought the real plane was an input then realised the facts. The exercise hadn't started yet. They weren't responsible for civilian planes in 2001.

chimera wrote on Sep 27^th, 2022 at 7:08am:

( Hey, the scientific report is in the media. That's how you can link it) (The Germans did something very, very bad. Can't tell you, it's not in the media but it must be bad if it means the gallows. Science). this comment is not visible and was hidden yesterday.

When/where did the ABC, BBC, CNN, CBS, NBC etc report it?

wombatwoody wrote on Sep 27^th, 2022 at 7:02am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 25th, 2022 at 4:23pm: wombatwoody wrote on Sep 25th, 2022 at 4:20pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 25th, 2022 at 6:59am: wombatwoody wrote on Sep 24th, 2022 at 11:42pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 24th, 2022 at 5:33pm: wombatwoody wrote on Sep 24th, 2022 at 4:54pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 24th, 2022 at 8:01am: https://www.france24.com/en/tv-shows/truth-or-fake/20220921-no-a-german-mp-did-not-predict-an-apocalypse-for-september-24 Ever heard of the term damage control? Ever heard of the term lunatic conspiracy theorist who needs professional help? Conspiracies  happen, Get used to it. Yet you never have any proof for any of yours. I wonder why that might be    ;) https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6282974/ You just shot yourself in the foot. Quote: In fact, conspiracy theories sometimes turn out to be true (e.g., Watergate; incidents of corporate corruption) Indeed. But none of yours have ever turned out to be true. Not so.

Yes, so.

Everything you post is bullshit.

Every single word.

You have never, ever, provided any proof of any of your ludicrous claims.

You need professional help.

wombatwoody wrote on Sep 27^th, 2022 at 6:05pm:

When/where did the ABC, BBC, CNN, CBS, NBC etc report it?

The BBC reported the internet here:
https://www.bbc.com/news/topics/cywd23g0gd5t

chimera wrote on Sep 27^th, 2022 at 7:28am:

Yes they thought the real plane was an input then realised the facts. The exercise hadn't started yet. They weren't responsible for civilian planes in 2001.

Think so?



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NORAD is the joint U.S.-Canadian military organization responsible for monitoring and defending the airspace over North America.  Long-standing operating procedures at NORAD, for dealing with airliners that have gone off-course or been hijacked, were not followed on 9/11.  Each of the four flights involved in the 9/11 attacks should have been intercepted when they lost radio contact, deviated from their course, or turned off their transponders.[2] [2]  Bob Arnot, What Was Needed to Halt the Attacks?: Cockpit security, quick response not in evidence Tuesday, MSNBC, September 12, 2001, The procedures for interception were automatic and required no special orders to implement. Through these procedures, interceptor jets had been scrambled 129 times in the year 2000 and 67 times in the year prior to June 2001.  A 1994 government report stated — “Overall, during the past four years, NORAD’s alert fighters took off to intercept aircraft (referred to as scrambled) 1,518 times, or an average of 15 times per site per year. Of these incidents, the number of suspected drug smuggling aircraft averaged … less than 7 percent of all of the alert sites’ total activity. The remaining activity generally involved visually inspecting unidentified aircraft and assisting aircraft in distress.”[3] [3] United States General Accounting Office, Continental Air Defense: A Dedicated Force Is No Longer Needed, May 3, 1994 https://digwithin.net/2013/01/12/eberhart/

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 27^th, 2022 at 6:09pm:

wombatwoody wrote on Sep 27th, 2022 at 7:02am: greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 25th, 2022 at 4:23pm: wombatwoody wrote on Sep 25th, 2022 at 4:20pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 25th, 2022 at 6:59am: wombatwoody wrote on Sep 24th, 2022 at 11:42pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 24th, 2022 at 5:33pm: wombatwoody wrote on Sep 24th, 2022 at 4:54pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 24th, 2022 at 8:01am: https://www.france24.com/en/tv-shows/truth-or-fake/20220921-no-a-german-mp-did-not-predict-an-apocalypse-for-september-24 Ever heard of the term damage control? Ever heard of the term lunatic conspiracy theorist who needs professional help? Conspiracies  happen, Get used to it. Yet you never have any proof for any of yours. I wonder why that might be    ;) https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6282974/ You just shot yourself in the foot. Quote: In fact, conspiracy theories sometimes turn out to be true (e.g., Watergate; incidents of corporate corruption) Indeed. But none of yours have ever turned out to be true. Not so. Yes, so. Everything you post is bullshit. Every single word. You have never, ever, provided any proof of any of your ludicrous claims. You need professional help.

You reject science in favor of propaganda - no surprise there.

chimera wrote on Sep 27^th, 2022 at 6:16pm:

wombatwoody wrote on Sep 27th, 2022 at 6:05pm: When/where did the ABC, BBC, CNN, CBS, NBC etc report it? The BBC reported the internet here: https://www.bbc.com/news/topics/cywd23g0gd5t

What a pathetic dodge.

Your quotes are not US military and are contrary to the military site :
Changes Air Defense.
https://www.eads.ang.af.mil/About-Us/History/.

Do you have official USAF statements in support?
You quote the net so anybody can find the refs. Many people have checked the stories by searching.

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 24^th, 2022 at 4:08pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 24th, 2022 at 8:01am: Is there any chance we can setup a GoFundMe page for woody so we can get him the medication he so desperately needs? Seriously? https://www.france24.com/en/tv-shows/truth-or-fake/20220921-no-a-german-mp-did-not-predict-an-apocalypse-for-september-24 How we going with that GoFundMe page? I'm not sure woody should go much longer without his meds.

You can put Jasin down for a stuff woody, I'm Jack

'This is United States air defense. Identify your self and your course'.

'Salaam, Sir, I am Ahmed Soufaali Jihad, working for his excellency Osama bin Liner. I will bomb Twin Tower. You Americans are Satan. You will burn OK'.

'Yeah yeah. No kidding. Please have a nice day'

'Get stuffed Sir'

'No I mean it, if you aren't good guys, we'll shoot you down over Manhattan the most crowded city outside Islamabad'

'Gotta go, here's the Tower'. 

wombatwoody wrote on Sep 27^th, 2022 at 6:38pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 27th, 2022 at 6:09pm: wombatwoody wrote on Sep 27th, 2022 at 7:02am: greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 25th, 2022 at 4:23pm: wombatwoody wrote on Sep 25th, 2022 at 4:20pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 25th, 2022 at 6:59am: wombatwoody wrote on Sep 24th, 2022 at 11:42pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 24th, 2022 at 5:33pm: wombatwoody wrote on Sep 24th, 2022 at 4:54pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 24th, 2022 at 8:01am: https://www.france24.com/en/tv-shows/truth-or-fake/20220921-no-a-german-mp-did-not-predict-an-apocalypse-for-september-24 Ever heard of the term damage control? Ever heard of the term lunatic conspiracy theorist who needs professional help? Conspiracies  happen, Get used to it. Yet you never have any proof for any of yours. I wonder why that might be    ;) https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6282974/ You just shot yourself in the foot. Quote: In fact, conspiracy theories sometimes turn out to be true (e.g., Watergate; incidents of corporate corruption) Indeed. But none of yours have ever turned out to be true. Not so. Yes, so. Everything you post is bullshit. Every single word. You have never, ever, provided any proof of any of your ludicrous claims. You need professional help. You reject science in favor of propaganda - no surprise there.

The Gateway Pundit isn't science.

Get professional help, please.

chimera wrote on Sep 27^th, 2022 at 6:44pm:

Your quotes are not US military and are contrary to the military site

In what way are they contrary?


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Do you have official USAF statements in support?

The air force is not the ultimate authority, you know. It answers to those higher up.

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 27^th, 2022 at 7:07pm:

wombatwoody wrote on Sep 27th, 2022 at 6:38pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 27th, 2022 at 6:09pm: wombatwoody wrote on Sep 27th, 2022 at 7:02am: greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 25th, 2022 at 4:23pm: wombatwoody wrote on Sep 25th, 2022 at 4:20pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 25th, 2022 at 6:59am: wombatwoody wrote on Sep 24th, 2022 at 11:42pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 24th, 2022 at 5:33pm: wombatwoody wrote on Sep 24th, 2022 at 4:54pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 24th, 2022 at 8:01am: https://www.france24.com/en/tv-shows/truth-or-fake/20220921-no-a-german-mp-did-not-predict-an-apocalypse-for-september-24 Ever heard of the term damage control? Ever heard of the term lunatic conspiracy theorist who needs professional help? Conspiracies  happen, Get used to it. Yet you never have any proof for any of yours. I wonder why that might be    ;) https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6282974/ You just shot yourself in the foot. Quote: In fact, conspiracy theories sometimes turn out to be true (e.g., Watergate; incidents of corporate corruption) Indeed. But none of yours have ever turned out to be true. Not so. Yes, so. Everything you post is bullshit. Every single word. You have never, ever, provided any proof of any of your ludicrous claims. You need professional help. You reject science in favor of propaganda - no surprise there. The Gateway Pundit isn't science. Get professional help, please.

More idiocy from ozpol's resident clown.

Firstly, I didn't link to GP.

And secondly, even if I did, if that link was to a PEER REVIEWED STUDY then to dismiss and reject that conclusion just because GP linked to it shows you can't deal with facts.

Who says that the Israelis and their rabid Jewish supporters in the United States don’t have a sense of humor? A story making the rounds in the Jewish media in the US and featured in the Jewish News Syndicate asks the question “[Why] 21 years later, [the] US still doesn’t recognize Iran’s role in 9/11.?” The discussion features Caroline Glick and David Wurmser, two noted neocons and Israel-firsters. Wurmser is of course described as “an expert on Middle East affairs” rather than as a Zionist extremist while Glick, who lives in Israel, is among the most rabid journalists calling for “deterrence and containment” of Iran, with the US military doing the heavy lifting. Glick also recalls 9/11, stating that “America’s willful blindness to Iran’s role in global terrorism, including in the September 11 attacks, is part of the collective amnesia about the events of September 11.”

When I stopped laughing, I continued reading to see if the two honorable Zionists would also mention the Israeli art students who were all over the place spying on the US and the five Israeli dancing Shlomo “movers” who clearly had prior knowledge of what was about to take place and were seen celebrating the sight of the burning Twin Towers. And then there was the quote by Benjamin Netanyahu in 2008 concerning 9/11 that “We [Israelis] are benefitting from one thing, and that is the attack on the Twin Towers and Pentagon, and the American struggle in Iraq.” So, Israel actually had a motive. Makes you wonder: Who really did 9/11?

Philip M. Giraldi, Ph.D.
Sept 20, 2022

wombatwoody wrote on Sep 28^th, 2022 at 1:46am:

chimera wrote on Sep 27th, 2022 at 6:44pm: Your quotes are not US military and are contrary to the military site In what way are they contrary? Quote: Do you have official USAF statements in support? The air force is not the ultimate authority, you know. It answers to those higher up.

Already told you the NORAD site statement. The higher ups you quote are politicians. Your site also quotes that NORAD wouldn't order a shoot-down of a hijack.

chimera wrote on Sep 28^th, 2022 at 6:39am:

Already told you the NORAD site statement.

Yes, but I can't see how that is, to use your term, contrary. So please explain.


Quote:

The higher ups you quote are politicians.

Of course, that's how it works in Western 'democracies'.  Then there are the middle guys, like the Joint Chiefs of Staff, etc.


Quote:

Your site also quotes that NORAD wouldn't order a shoot-down of a hijack.

Where does it say that?

..boring..

chimera wrote on Sep 28^th, 2022 at 6:06pm:

..boring..

Boring?



"This is America, the most advanced military technologically capable country in the world, and it is just impossible to believe that they could have been that incompetent." - Michael Meacher, (1939-2015)  UK MP


Whenever contact is lost with any airplane, fighter jets routinely take to the air to investigate in well under 20 minutes. This commonly occurs dozens of times per year but on 9/11 nearly two hours passed without any interception.

Norfolk Navy Base is some 150 miles south of Washington and was home to many F16 and F18  fighter jets, supersonic ones which can fly at speeds over 1000 miles per hour yet why were none scrambled?

The 9/11 flights went through some of the most heavily militarized parts of the country, yet nothing could be done to stop them?

They weren't foreign intruders or unauthorised drug runs.  None are shot down. 

chimera wrote on Sep 29^th, 2022 at 7:02am:

They weren't foreign intruders or unauthorised drug runs.  None are shot down.

Irrelevant. SOP - standard operating procedure - is to scramble fighter jets. Why didn't that happen?

wombatwoody wrote on Sep 29^th, 2022 at 7:24am:

chimera wrote on Sep 29th, 2022 at 7:02am: They weren't foreign intruders or unauthorised drug runs.  None are shot down.  Irrelevant. SOP - standard operating procedure - is to scramble fighter jets. Why didn't that happen?

It did happen.

At 08:46, just as Flight 11 struck the North Tower of the World Trade Center, the two F-15s were ordered to scramble (an order that begins with engine start-up, a process that takes about five minutes), and radar confirmed they were airborne by 08:53.

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 25^th, 2022 at 6:59am:

wombatwoody wrote on Sep 24th, 2022 at 11:42pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 24th, 2022 at 5:33pm: wombatwoody wrote on Sep 24th, 2022 at 4:54pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 24th, 2022 at 8:01am: https://www.france24.com/en/tv-shows/truth-or-fake/20220921-no-a-german-mp-did-not-predict-an-apocalypse-for-september-24 Ever heard of the term damage control? Ever heard of the term lunatic conspiracy theorist who needs professional help? Conspiracies  happen, Get used to it. Yet you never have any proof for any of yours. I wonder why that might be    ;) https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6282974/

That doesn't mean they're not true, Greggery. Ask our dear one.

He is in our every breath.

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 29^th, 2022 at 8:42am:

wombatwoody wrote on Sep 29th, 2022 at 7:24am: chimera wrote on Sep 29th, 2022 at 7:02am: They weren't foreign intruders or unauthorised drug runs.  None are shot down.  Irrelevant. SOP - standard operating procedure - is to scramble fighter jets. Why didn't that happen? It did happen. At 08:46, just as Flight 11 struck the North Tower of the World Trade Center, the two F-15s were ordered to scramble (an order that begins with engine start-up, a process that takes about five minutes), and radar confirmed they were airborne by 08:53.

Yes, but that doesn't mean it didn't happen, Greggery. Is it not possible to have two different thoughts at once?

I mean, there are alternative facts, no?

As the jihadi kamikaze entered the passenger air space, bells sounded in the Tourist Class. Hostesses scrambled to prepare rough red cocktails to hurl at the bearded ones who threw Qurans in response. NORAD reported an increase in cabin temperature, forwarded this to the other President in Chief Tower, who bombed out. 

See?


chimera wrote on Sep 29^th, 2022 at 8:55am:

As the jihadi kamikaze entered the passenger air space, bells sounded in the Tourist Class. Hostesses scrambled to prepare rough red cocktails to hurl at the bearded ones who threw Qurans in response. NORAD reported an increase in cabin temperature, forwarded this to the other President in Chief Tower, who bombed out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mv2cFQEeWZg

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 29^th, 2022 at 8:42am:

wombatwoody wrote on Sep 29th, 2022 at 7:24am: chimera wrote on Sep 29th, 2022 at 7:02am: They weren't foreign intruders or unauthorised drug runs.  None are shot down.  Irrelevant. SOP - standard operating procedure - is to scramble fighter jets. Why didn't that happen? It did happen. At 08:46, just as Flight 11 struck the North Tower of the World Trade Center, the two F-15s were ordered to scramble (an order that begins with engine start-up, a process that takes about five minutes), and radar confirmed they were airborne by 08:53.

That can't be called a scramble. To scramble means to take off and intercept aircraft that are off course.

No intercept took place.

(8:46 A.M.)  Two F-15 fighters are ordered to scramble from Otis Air National Guard Base in Massachusetts to find Flight 11, approximately 190 miles from the known location of the plane and 188 miles from New York City. Fighters in nearer bases are not scrambled. This is 6-8 minutes after NORAD has been told the plane was hijacked, approximately 26 minutes after losing contact with the plane. [8:39, Channel 4 News, 9/13/01, 8:46, NORAD, 9/18/01, 8:44, CNN, 9/17/01, 8:44, Washington Post, 9/15/01]
https://www.wanttoknow.info/9-11timeline60pg

Fighters in nearer bases are not scrambled

Why were fighters in nearer bases not scrambled?

'Scrambling an aircraft means to get them into the air as quickly as possible and into formation in order to defend, interdict, intercept the enemy aircraft'. The nearer jets only had sidewinder missiles where the other guys had MIM 104 Patriot short range nuclear missiles. As in Vietnam, you destroy a village to save it and New York has Greenwich Village in Manhattan. Smoke and drifting Mussie particles blocked the heat seeker Patriot as well as the no-show of the planes which diverted to Twin Towers instead of Las Vegas.

wombatwoody wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2022 at 4:06pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 29th, 2022 at 8:42am: wombatwoody wrote on Sep 29th, 2022 at 7:24am: chimera wrote on Sep 29th, 2022 at 7:02am: They weren't foreign intruders or unauthorised drug runs.  None are shot down.  Irrelevant. SOP - standard operating procedure - is to scramble fighter jets. Why didn't that happen? It did happen. At 08:46, just as Flight 11 struck the North Tower of the World Trade Center, the two F-15s were ordered to scramble (an order that begins with engine start-up, a process that takes about five minutes), and radar confirmed they were airborne by 08:53. That can't be called a scramble.

It can, and it was.

You don't get to change the definition of words, and rewrite history, in order to suit your little snowflake world   ;)

Twin Towers 417 meters tall.
Trump Tower 202m.
What does that tell you? Where are the missing 200 m. of Trump?  Trump Tower used 45,000 cubic yards (34,000 m3) of concrete and 3,800 tons of steelwork. The use of a concrete superstructure was in contrast to many other skyscrapers, which were built on steel frames. Scutt said a concrete frame was easier to build and was more rigid than a steel frame was.
hmmmm?

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2022 at 4:46pm:

wombatwoody wrote on Oct 2nd, 2022 at 4:06pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 29th, 2022 at 8:42am: wombatwoody wrote on Sep 29th, 2022 at 7:24am: chimera wrote on Sep 29th, 2022 at 7:02am: They weren't foreign intruders or unauthorised drug runs.  None are shot down.  Irrelevant. SOP - standard operating procedure - is to scramble fighter jets. Why didn't that happen? It did happen. At 08:46, just as Flight 11 struck the North Tower of the World Trade Center, the two F-15s were ordered to scramble (an order that begins with engine start-up, a process that takes about five minutes), and radar confirmed they were airborne by 08:53. That can't be called a scramble. It can, and it was. You don't get to change the definition of words, and rewrite history, in order to suit your little snowflake world   ;)

They came nowhere near their target so that's hardly a scramble.

Try answering the question: Why were fighters in nearer bases not scrambled?

wombatwoody wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2022 at 6:30pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 2nd, 2022 at 4:46pm: wombatwoody wrote on Oct 2nd, 2022 at 4:06pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 29th, 2022 at 8:42am: wombatwoody wrote on Sep 29th, 2022 at 7:24am: chimera wrote on Sep 29th, 2022 at 7:02am: They weren't foreign intruders or unauthorised drug runs.  None are shot down.  Irrelevant. SOP - standard operating procedure - is to scramble fighter jets. Why didn't that happen? It did happen. At 08:46, just as Flight 11 struck the North Tower of the World Trade Center, the two F-15s were ordered to scramble (an order that begins with engine start-up, a process that takes about five minutes), and radar confirmed they were airborne by 08:53. That can't be called a scramble. It can, and it was. You don't get to change the definition of words, and rewrite history, in order to suit your little snowflake world   ;) They came nowhere near their target so that's hardly a scramble.

You clearly don't understand what "scramble" means.

In military aviation, scrambling is the act of quickly mobilising military aircraft.

Nothing to do with getting close to targets.

You don't get to change the definition of words, and rewrite history, in order to suit your little snowflake world.

Suck it up, princess.

They don't need a target to scramble. It just means fast take-off. All they could do was follow the hijack. There was no way to know the intent of the pilots when flying along or the situation within the plane.

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2022 at 6:33pm:

wombatwoody wrote on Oct 3rd, 2022 at 6:30pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 2nd, 2022 at 4:46pm: wombatwoody wrote on Oct 2nd, 2022 at 4:06pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 29th, 2022 at 8:42am: wombatwoody wrote on Sep 29th, 2022 at 7:24am: chimera wrote on Sep 29th, 2022 at 7:02am: They weren't foreign intruders or unauthorised drug runs.  None are shot down.  Irrelevant. SOP - standard operating procedure - is to scramble fighter jets. Why didn't that happen? It did happen. At 08:46, just as Flight 11 struck the North Tower of the World Trade Center, the two F-15s were ordered to scramble (an order that begins with engine start-up, a process that takes about five minutes), and radar confirmed they were airborne by 08:53. That can't be called a scramble. It can, and it was. You don't get to change the definition of words, and rewrite history, in order to suit your little snowflake world   ;) They came nowhere near their target so that's hardly a scramble. You clearly don't understand what "scramble" means. In military aviation, scrambling is the act of quickly mobilising military aircraft. Nothing to do with getting close to targets. You don't get to change the definition of words, and rewrite history, in order to suit your little snowflake world. Suck it up, princess.

You're the one who's trying to change the definition of words to suit your brainwashed and deluded world.

'In military aviation, scrambling is the act of quickly mobilising military aircraft. Scrambling can be in reaction to an immediate threat, usually to intercept hostile aircraft.'

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scrambling_(military)

Now, someone else try answering that question.

'Firefox 1, we got a flood coming to the runway. Scramble. Scramble'
'Roger Hotrod 007. Just finishing my pizza , OK?'
'Scramble. Scramble'
'Cool it right? What's the..wow lookit it flowing..hey .gurgle  choke

chimera wrote on Oct 5^th, 2022 at 6:42pm:

'Firefox 1, we got a flood coming to the runway. Scramble. Scramble' 'Roger Hotrod 007. Just finishing my pizza , OK?' 'Scramble. Scramble' 'Cool it right? What's the..wow lookit it flowing..hey .gurgle  choke

Got anything intelligent to add to the topic?

Obviously not.

wombatwoody wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2022 at 6:30pm:

They came nowhere near their target so that's hardly a scramble.

A scramble can be for several reasons. Such as avoiding a flood. Or to intercept.

chimera wrote on Oct 7^th, 2022 at 8:31pm:

wombatwoody wrote on Oct 3rd, 2022 at 6:30pm: They came nowhere near their target so that's hardly a scramble. A scramble can be for several reasons. Such as avoiding a flood. Or to intercept.

Finally you admit it.

So what about this?



FAA, NORAD hid 9/11 failures

Greg Gordon, Star Tribune Washington Bureau Correspondent

July 31, 2004

WASHINGTON, D.C. -- Sen. Mark Dayton, D-Minn., charged Friday that the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) and the North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD) have covered up "catastrophic failures" that left the nation vulnerable during the Sept. 11 hijackings.

"For almost three years now, NORAD officials and FAA officials have been able to hide their critical failures that left this country defenseless during two of the worst hours in our history," Dayton declared during a Senate Governmental Affairs Committee hearing.

During the hearing, Dayton told leaders of the Sept. 11 commission, that, based on the commission's report, a NORAD chronology made public a week after the attacks was grossly misleading.

The chronology said the FAA notified the military's emergency air command of three of the hijackings while those jetliners were still airborne. Dayton cited commission findings that the FAA failed to inform NORAD about three of the planes until after they had crashed.

And, he said, a squadron of NORAD fighter planes that was scrambled was sent east over the Atlantic Ocean and was 150 miles from Washington, D.C., when the third plane struck the Pentagon -- "farther than they were before they took off."

Dayton said NORAD officials "lied to the American people, they lied to Congress and they lied to your 9/11 commission to create a false impression of competence, communication and protection of the American people."

Dayton, a former Minnesota state auditor, called the FAA's and NORAD's failures "the most gross incompetence and dereliction of responsibility and negligence that I've ever, under those extreme circumstances, witnessed in the public sector."

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4wo0lt




"This is America, the most advanced military technologically capable country in the world, and it is just impossible to believe that they could have been that incompetent." - Michael Meacher, UK MP.

chimera wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2022 at 7:14pm:

They don't need a target to scramble. It just means fast take-off.

Correct.

wombatwoody, as usual, has absolutely no idea what he's talking about.

And what were they instructed to do after a scramble and after an intercept? Shoot down US airliners over NYork to save the passengers?

chimera wrote on Oct 8^th, 2022 at 7:20pm:

And what were they instructed to do after a scramble and after an intercept? Shoot down US airliners over NYork to save the passengers?

Are you suggesting that the most advanced military in human history had no contingency plan to deal with such a situation?

Of course they had plans. United States Army air defense relies on a range of ground launched missiles ranging from hand held to vehicle mounted systems. The Air Defense Artillery is the branch that specializes in anti-aircraft weapons (such as surface-to-air missiles). In the US Army, these groups are composed of mainly air defense systems such as the PATRIOT Missile System, Terminal High Altitude Air Defense, and the Avenger Air Defense system which fires the FIM-92 Stinger missile. THe USAF has AIM-120 Advanced Medium-Range Air-to-Air Missile, or AMRAAM a beyond-visual-range air-to-air missile (BVRAAM) capable of all-weather day-and-night operations. It  employs active transmit-receive radar guidance instead of semi-active receive-only radar guidance.  When an AMRAAM missile is launched, NATO pilots use the brevity code Fox Three.
The first aircraft involved was a Boeing 767-223ER with 92 people aboard. After 'scramble scramble' was given, the code 'wombatwoody' was sent to launch an attack but the pilots all claimed the Nuremberg principle against war crimes.

I've had just about enough of these two clowns...

So moving on:


'According to a Boston Globe article, when intercepting aircraft, NORAD practices a graduated response. The approaching fighter doesn’t immediately shoot down the bogey: It can first rock its wingtips to attract attention, or make a pass in front of the plane, or fire tracer rounds in its path. So even though on 9/11, the NORAD pilots working the first three airliners didn’t have shootdown authority (they got it only after the Pentagon was hit), they would or should have been ready to try these other techniques, which might well have spooked or forced the hijackers into turning, which might have given the fighters a chance to force them out to sea. And even if the hijackers decided instead to fly right into a fighter in their way, wouldn’t an airburst have killed fewer people than two collapsed flaming skyscrapers did?'

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2002/01/the-military-screw-up-nobody-talks-about.html

General Ralph Eberhart was mentioned earlier. Here's another excellent report by Jim Corbett:


As Commander-in-Chief of the North American Aerospace Defense Command on 9/11, General Ralph Eberhart was in charge of the largest failure to defend North American airspace in history.

Rather than accepting blame for his command's complete lack of response that morning, however, or even expressing regret about what had occurred, General Eberhart instead spent the rest of his career attempting to pin the blame for this failure squarely on the FAA.

Although Eberhart's version of events was cemented into place as the official story of 9/11 propounded by the 9/11 commission, they are in fact self-serving lies.

In Eberhart's version of events, NORAD is completely subordinate to the FAA. In reality, however, NORAD is specifically tasked with dealing with such events itself, not waiting passively for FAA orders. NORAD's own regulations for dealing with hijacked jets specifically state that "FAA Authorization for Interceptor Operations is not used for intercept and airborne surveillance of hijacked aircraft within the [continental United States]."

These standard operating procedures were not merely theoretical, or some obscure regulation that would have been unfamiliar to the four-star general in charge of defending American airspace. In the year 2000 alone, NORAD scrambled fighters in response to "unknowns"--pilots who didn't file or diverted from flight plans or used the wrong frequency--129 times.

Eberhart had testified in October 2001 that NORAD had been notified about Flight 77 at 9:24 AM. The 9/11 Commission determined that this was a lie. Regardless of the truth or untruth of any of these accounts, the simple fact is that, according to the 9/11 Commission itself, Eberhart had lied to Congress, which is in fact a crime. By the 9/11 Commission's own account, Eberhart should have been tried.

But Eberhart's lies do not end there.

    GEN. EBERHART: Many people will talk about that they knew that there was going to be an attack. They knew that people were going to take over an aircraft and fly it into a building. I can tell you that there was no credible intelligence at that time to go build a defense against that type of attack. Tragically, we were wrong. We were wrong.

    (Source: Homeland Defense in the Global War on Terrorism)

Once again, Eberhart's depiction of events is a self-serving and easily demonstrable lie.

Not only had NORAD envisioned such a scenario, they had been training for it extensively in the years leading up to 9/11. Between October 1998 and September 2001, NORAD had conducted 28 exercise events involving hijackings. At least five of those hijack scenarios involved "a suicide crash into a high-value target." Furthermore, at least six of the exercises took place completely within American airspace, putting to rest the oft-heard excuse that NORAD wasn't prepared for threats from within the US.

Another note that would be of interest to prosecutors looking at potential foreknowledge of the 9/11 attacks pertains to Eberhart's dual role as Commander-in-Chief of US Space Command, where he was responsible for setting something called the "Infocon threat level." Established in March 1999, the Infocon threat level was designed as a measure of the threat to Defense Department computer systems and networks and different levels required different protocols for securing communications and information systems. At 9:09 PM on September 10, 2001, less than 12 hours before the attacks began, Eberhart reduced Infocon to Level 5 , the lowest threat level, making it easier for hackers to compromise Defense Department systems and controls. Eberhart has never been asked about this change in the public record.

There are a laundry list of other questionable actions that Eberhart took on 9/11. His failure to implement military control over US airspace. His decision to drive from Peterson Air Force Base to NORAD's Cheyenne Mountain Control Center at 9:30 AM, right in the middle of the attack, despite knowing this would involve loss of communication for part of the drive, and the fact that it took him 45 minutes to complete the 30 minute trip. His decision to ground all fighter jets by ordering them to battle stations instead of ordering them to scramble at 9:49 AM. And even NORAD's inability to turn over basic documentation to government investigators.

The official story of 9/11 is a lie. But Eberhart's story is a lie within that lie, designed to absolve himself and other members of the US military charged with defending American airspace that morning from the most catastrophic failure in that mission in their history. And not only did Eberhart survive with his career intact, he was praised as a "9/11 hero" and moved into the private sector after leaving NORAD in 2004, as chairman and board member of a number of companies that directly benefited from the post-9/11 police state and the post-9/11 war on terror.

Ralph E. Eberhart remains at large.


https://www.corbettreport.com/911-suspects-ralph-eberhart/

wombatwoody wrote on Oct 9^th, 2022 at 6:55pm:

the fighters a chance to force them out to sea.  wouldn’t an airburst have killed fewer people than two collapsed flaming skyscrapers did?'

wombat,
What reason did they have to force 92 people out to sea and for what purpose? Why kill them with an airburst? What evidence did anyone have that the planes were about to hit the Towers? You're back to front.

chimera wrote on Oct 9^th, 2022 at 7:43pm:

wombatwoody wrote on Oct 9th, 2022 at 6:55pm:   the fighters a chance to force them out to sea.  wouldn’t an airburst have killed fewer people than two collapsed flaming skyscrapers did?' wombat, What reason did they have to force 92 people out to sea and for what purpose? Why kill them with an airburst? What evidence did anyone have that the planes were about to hit the Towers? You're back to front.

Ever heard of the term common sense? The Twin Towers were the most prominent sight on the Manhattan skyline.

Now stop trying to make excuses and address the issues already raised, particularly in Reply 72, for starters.

wombatwoody wrote on Oct 10^th, 2022 at 7:31pm:

The Twin Towers were the most prominent sight on the Manhattan skyline. .

Built in 1973, the Towers were the go-to challenge for up-and-coming pilots. Notoriously difficult to hit, dozens of pilots tried and failed. New Yorkers kept hoping and cheering when they saw a good approach then groaned at another near-miss. Russians were worst (worst drivers in the world) with Congo next. The pygmies were too short to see out.

My error, there was a successful landing into the 98th floor of the Empire State Building in 1931 after the plane rammed two Air Force Boeing P-26 Peashooter fighters (look it up). The winning contestant, Ding 'Wonky' Hardjaw was cheered as he slowly taxied past secretaries and clerks, brushing off limestone and bricks and smoothed his mustache. Later, the Pilot of the Year flew a Fokker F-10 belonging to Transcontinental and Western Air and crashed near Bazaar, Kansas after taking off from Kansas City Municipal Airport, Kansas City, Missouri. He aimed at a dog kennel but the door was too low, unfortunately.

Like I said. I've had enough of this clown!

The Case Against Ralph Eberhart, NORAD’s 9/11 Commander

https://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2013/01/16/the-case-against-ralph-eberhart-norads-911-commander/

Prior to the September 11 attacks there were no specific rules for handling hijackings. Moreover, military response at the time consisted of multiple uncoordinated units, each with its own set of rules of engagement with no unified command structure. Soon after the attacks, however, new rules of engagement were introduced, authorizing the North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD) to shoot down hijacked commercial airliners if necessary.  Russia  has laws for shooting down hijacked planes or any Ukrainian plane headed for the Kremlin or Malaysia. 

'In a 2004 U.S. Senate hearing, Senator Mark Dayton remarked that “this country and its citizens were completely undefended” for “109 minutes” on 9/11.'
However, an American airliner is probably not a Russian bomber. Boston and New Jersey airports rarely send Russian Air Force attack operations against the US.

Quote:

They postponed it. But they're planning something.

Like another financial collapse?

Given the preponderance of these to occur in the month of October...

Without Eberhart, the planes hit the Towers.
With Eberhart, the planes hit the Towers.
Yes the Japs hit Pearl Harbor but Eberhart was innocent.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jv-Io7tgjrE

'Standard hijack protocol calls for fighters to be launched—"scrambled"—merely to establish a presence in the air. The pilots are trained to trail the hijacked plane at a distance of about five miles, out of sight, following it until, presumably, it lands. If necessary, they can show themselves, flying up close to establish visual contact, and, if the situation demands, maneuver to force the plane to land. At this point, certainly, the notion of actually firing anything at a passenger jet hasn't crossed anyone's mind.'

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2006/08/norad200608

The part about the antique, unreadable scopes is interesting.

Henry Kissinger resigned his post as head of the 9/11 Commission and former New Jersey Governor Thomas Kean and former Indiana Congressman Lee Hamilton were appointed chairman and vice-chairman, respectively, to take his place.

In their book, Without Precedent: The Inside Story of the 9/11 Commission, and in press conferences and interviews at the time the report was released, Kean and Hamilton famously remarked that the commission had been “set up to fail.”

As it turns out, the majority of the commissioners felt that the commission had been lied to, deliberately obstructed, undermined by the White House, or set up with staff that had conflicts of interest in the investigation.

One of these concerned commissioners, Max Cleland, resigned because the commission had been “deliberately compromised by the President of the United States.”

Commissioner John Lehman, meanwhile, admitted on NBC Nightly News that the Commission had to go through Karl Rove and other senior White House members to access key documents in their investigation and that "[w]e purposely put together a staff that had—in a way—conflicts of interest," stressing, lest there be any doubt, that "[a]ll of the staff had, to a certain extent, some conflict of interest."

Commission members even considered bringing criminal charges against Pentagon officials who had deliberately lied to them about the military’s complete lack of response on that day.

But perhaps the most cryptic of all the dissenting commissioners was Bob Kerrey. In 2009 he remarked that 9/11 was a "30-year old conspiracy," but no mainstream reporter has ever followed up with him to clarify this statement.

It is utterly remarkable that the 9/11 Commission and its final report are still held up as the final word on the events of September 11, 2001, when a majority of its own Commissioners admit that the commission was a cover-up and did not get to the bottom of the story. Even more remarkable is that this fact has never even been mentioned, let alone examined, in any mainstream media report.


corbettreport.com

wombatwoody wrote on Oct 18^th, 2022 at 8:11am:

never even been mentioned, let alone examined, in any mainstream media report.

https://www.bbc.com/news/58469600

Look at what a clown we've got here folks, who is sorely lacking in the comprehension department.

Ah jurst lurv it when they gets cranky.

See folks, the clown avoids any mention of the fact that nowhere does that BBC report mention that a majority of 9/11 Commissioners admitted that the commission itself was a cover-up.

Even more significant is the omission of The Hulsey Report, which proves the OCT is a lie.

The BBC published that in September 2021 yet The Hulsey Report was released around 2 years earlier.

Disgraceful reporting by the BBC.

11th International Conference on Structures in Fire – 2020 a paper was presented discussing the 4 hypotheses for the collapse of 7WTC. THE COLLAPSE OF WORLD TRADE CENTER 7: REVISITED, no mention was made of the Hulsey report.

Building #7 is all the proof required that it was an inside job.

What proof is there of what job?

chimera wrote on Oct 20^th, 2022 at 6:11am:

What proof is there of what job?

https://i.gifer.com/Q0K2.gif

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I see

A Structural Reevaluation of the Collapse of World Trade Center 7

https://ine.uaf.edu/wtc7

Remember, NO plane hit this building.

https://youtu.be/zRpCwKRnL1M

That's proof. Of something, I'm sure. Simplified cartoon graphics, speeded up for 7 hours?

BBC announced its collapse 20 mins. or so before it actually did collapse.

How did they know it was going to collapse, when it had not been hit by a plane and when no other modern multi-storey building had previously collapsed due to fire?

Obviously they were following a script. There's no other explanation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vN-BBOeTIMk

The commentator had 'a report' in London about 'the building collapsing'. After 7 hours the building roof was gutted by fire. Someone mis-spoke.

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The Official Story of the Collapse of WTC Building 7 Lies in Ruins

September 4, 2019

A research team at the University of Alaska’s Department of Civil and Environmental Engineering, led by Dr. Leroy Hulsey, Dr. Zhili Quan, and Professor Feng Xiao, Department of Civil Engineering, Nanjing University of Science and Technology, released yesterday for public comment their findings from a four-year study of the collapse of World Trade Center Building 7 on September 11, 2001.  This is the first scientific investigation of the collapse of the building.   Here is the conclusion:

“The principal conclusion of our study is that fire did not cause the collapse of WTC 7 on 9/11, contrary to the conclusions of NIST and private engineering firms that studied the collapse. The secondary conclusion of our study is that the collapse of WTC 7 was a global failure involving the near-simultaneous failure of every column in the building.”

Notice three things: (1) it has taken 18 years to get a real investigation of the destruction of a building blamed on Muslim terrorists, (2) the only way “near-simultaneous failure of every column in the building” can occur is through controlled demolition, and (3) this remarkable finding is not reported in the presstitute media.

[...]

Note this resolution of the Franklin Square and Munson Fire District

Whereas, the attacks of September 11, 2001, are inextricably and forever tied to the Franklin Square and Munson Fire Department;

Whereas, on September 11, 2001, while operating at the World Trade Center in New York City, firefighter Thomas J. Hetzel, badge #290 of Hook and Ladder Company #1, Franklin Square and Munson Fire Department of New York, was killed in performance of his duties, along with 2,976 other emergency responders and civilians;

Whereas, members of the Franklin Square and Munson Fire Department were called upon to assist in the subsequent rescue and recovery operations and cleanup of the World Trade Center site, afflicting many of them with life-threatening illnesses as a result of breathing the deadly toxins present at the site;

Whereas, the Board of Fire Commissioners of the Franklin Square and Munson Fire District recognizes the significant and compelling nature of the petition before the United States Attorney for the Southern District of New York reporting un-prosecuted federal crimes at the World Trade Center on September 11, 2001, and calling upon the United States Attorney to present that petition to a Special Grand Jury pursuant to the United States Constitution and 18 U.S.C. SS 3332(A);

Whereas, the overwhelming evidence presented in said petition demonstrates beyond any doubt that pre-planted explosives and/or incendiaries—not just airplanes and the ensuing fires—caused the destruction of the three World Trade Center buildings, killing the vast majority of the victims who perished that day;

Whereas, the victims of 9/11, their families, the people of New York City, and our nation deserve that every crime related to the attacks of September 11, 2001, be investigated to the fullest and that every person who was responsible face justice;

NOW THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED that the Board of Fire Commissioners of the Franklin Square and Munson Fire District fully supports a comprehensive federal grand jury investigation and prosecution of every crime related to the attacks of September 11, 2001, as well as any and all efforts by other government entities to investigate and uncover the full truth surrounding the events of that horrible day.


https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2019/09/04/the-official-story-of-the-collapse-of-wtc-building-7-lies-in-ruins/

11th International Conference on Structures in Fire – 2020 a paper was presented discussing the 4 hypotheses for the collapse of 7WTC. THE COLLAPSE OF WORLD TRADE CENTER 7: REVISITED, no mention was made of the Hulsey report.

Simultaneous failure would need demolition on a large scale. Who heard or saw demolition charges exploding?

In 2001, Barry Jennings was the Deputy Director of Emergency Services for the New York City Housing Authority. After the first plane hit the North Tower at 8:46 AM on the morning of 9/11, Jennings was called to the city’s Office of Emergency Management in World Trade Center Building 7 (WTC 7) along with Corporation Counsel Michael Hess to help coordinate the emergency response. Entering Building 7 together before the strike on the South Tower at 9:03 AM, Jennings and Hess were surprised to discover that the office had been abandoned. Receiving a phone call from his superior, Jennings was warned to leave the building immediately. Descending via the stairwell, Jennings and Hess reached the 6th floor before an explosion blew them back up to the 8th floor, trapping them inside the building. After hours of chaos and confusion, including the collapse of the Twin Towers and repeated attempts to draw the attention of first responders, the pair were finally rescued by firefighters.

Jennings' remarkable story was captured by Jeff Rossen, reporting on the ground for WABC-TV, just moments after he and Hess had been rescued from the building.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qp6QszNTNaM

But it wasn't until several years later that Dylan Avery and Jason Bermas, the creators of Loose Change—the first viral internet documentary—discovered the clip of that interview from the day of 9/11 and realized that Jennings' testimony was one of the few eyewitness accounts of one of the deepest mysteries of that day: The destruction of WTC 7.

BARRY JENNINGS: When we reached the 6th floor, the landing that we were standing on gave way. There was an explosion and the landing gave way. And I was left there, hanging. I had to climb back up. And now I had to walk back up to the 8th floor. After getting to the 8th floor, everything was dark. It was dark and it was very, very hot. Very hot...

All this time, I'm hearing all types of explosions. All this time, I'm hearing explosions. And I'm thinking that maybe it's the buses around me that were on fire, the cars that were on fire. I don't see no . . . you know? But I'm still hearing these explosions.

To those unfamiliar with the official story of WTC 7, this might seem like just another account of the terror, confusion and heroism that the victims of that day faced during their harrowing ordeal.

But this is not the case. Jennings' story is in fact full of details that directly contradict NIST's pronouncements on the destruction of the building.

Most notably, Jennings' vivid description of the explosions that were taking place in the building during his ordeal is in direct contradiction to NIST's assertion in its FAQ on WTC 7 that, although NIST "investigated the possibility" of explosions contributing to the building's demolition, "NIST concluded that blast events inside the building did not occur and found no evidence supporting the existence of a blast event."

In fact, not only is there ample evidence, available to anyone interested, that there were explosions going on in the building shortly before it went down, but Jennings' personal account confirms that there were numerous explosions taking place inside WTC 7 in the morning, hours before the building was destroyed.

It is important to note that Jennings' story does not present a different view of the official story of 9/11; it undermines that story entirely. Multiple explosions taking place in the lower floors of Building 7 before the Twin Towers' destruction shows that NIST was wrong to dismiss the possibility of explosive demolition of WTC 7. Given that the explosions that trapped Jennings and Hess was not falling debris from the Twin Towers and was not a fuel oil tank explosion—a point stressed by Jennings and confirmed by NIST—then the most likely possibility—pre-planted explosives that were timed to go off during the attacks—remains not only uncontested, but unconsidered by NIST or any other investigative agency.

Indeed, the 9/11 Commission—which called Jennings in to question him about his story in one closed-door meeting that was never followed up—did not even mention the stunning, symmetrical, free-fall demolition of World Trade Center Building 7 in its final report on the attacks.


https://www.corbettreport.com/911whistleblowers/#jennings

'After the first plane hit the North Tower at 8:46 AM .. Entering Building 7 together before the strike on the South Tower at 9:03 AM, .. an explosion blew them back up to the 8th floor, trapping them inside the building. After hours of chaos and confusion, including the collapse of the Twin Towers'.

After eight hours.  Has any building demolition worked that way?

“The report notes that the outside frame was more flexible than the inside framing which is where the elevator shafts were,” says McMaster University professor emeritus of civil engineering, Robert Korol, a fellow of the Canadian Society of Civil Engineering who is also one of two peers who reviewed the UAF study.

“Under the conditions described, the displacement of the outside steel would have been only one inch, not the 6.25 NIST claimed and not enough to cause failure.”

Further, he says, the debris from WTC 1 which fell 943 feet to WTC 7 did not attain sufficient mass to cause structural damage to the steel in that building.

The bottom line, he says, is that the NIST report is flawed and of no value to future engineering or architectural learning.


https://canada.constructconnect.com/dcn/news/others/2020/05/world-trade-center-7-building-did-not-collapse-due-to-fire-report

To their credit, they were the only major network to do this kind of interview:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbjrCbvsw5A

Archived page from Sep 2010:

What is “BuildingWhat?”

A WORLDWIDE CAMPAIGN TO RAISE AWARENESS OF BUILDING 7

More than eight years after the tragedy of September 11, 2001, New York Supreme Court Justice Edward H. Lehner was hearing arguments in a courtroom less than a mile from Ground Zero about a ballot initiative to launch a new investigation of the 9/11 attacks. When the lawyer for the plaintiffs sponsoring the initiative explained that the 9/11 Commission report left many unanswered questions, including “Why did Building 7 come down,” the Judge replied quizzically, “Building what?”

Like Judge Lehner, millions of people do not know or remember only vaguely that a third tower called World Trade Center Building 7 also collapsed on September 11, 2001. In any other situation, the complete, free fall collapse of a 47-story skyscraper would be played over and over on the news. It would be discussed for years to come and building design codes would be completely rewritten. So, why does no one know about Building 7? And why did Building 7 come down?

The answers to these questions have far-reaching implications for our society. The goal of the “BuildingWhat?” campaign is to raise awareness of Building 7 so that together we can begin to address these questions.

Thank you for visiting BuildingWhat.org.

What is Building 7?

Building 7 was a 47-story skyscraper and was part of the World Trade Center complex. Built in 1984, it would have been the tallest high-rise in 33 states in the United States. It collapsed at 5:20 pm on September 11, 2001. It was not hit by an airplane and suffered minimal damage compared to other buildings much closer to the Twin Towers.

https://web.archive.org/web/20100906093748/http://buildingwhat.org/

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Anyone wondering why this hasn't been all over the news?

Given that the official Sept. 11 story has been proved scientifically to be a lie, and a whopper at that, you'd think there'd be non-stop coverage. But no - hardly a peep. Now why is that?

The main reason is that at every major point in the timeline, up pops a Zionist/Jew with close ties to Israel.

That, therefore, makes it off-limits for all journalists and politicians who don't want to risk career suicide.