https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-19/defence-accuses-chinese-warship-of-danger...

Prime Minister Scott Morrison accuses Chinese warship of 'reckless and irresponsible' act after laser was shone at RAAF aircraft

By defence correspondent Andrew Greene
Posted 22h ago22 hours ago, updated 2h ago

That plane is going to need a major health checkup after being blasted with that much radiation given all of its electronics and if any of the pilots or crew looked at the laser they are going to need new retinas.

Aussie wrote on Feb 20^th, 2022 at 4:34pm:


Legislation wrt laser beams.

Tell me what you know about that?

I did leave. I was gone for 5 days.

This afternoon I wrote over at PA that I'm only here to suss the situation. If it's still in BS mode then I'm gone. I don't need to stick around perverse and disrespectful unhinged individuals who get their rocks off by using multi ids to manipulate me and others day in day out.

Johnnie wrote on Feb 20^th, 2022 at 4:41pm:


Commercial grade beams are dangerous.

Military strength beams are potentiality lethal.

That's why the Federal Govt is about to introduce/has just introduced legislation wrt this.

John Smith wrote on Feb 20^th, 2022 at 4:46pm:


Freediver could you delete this multi troll's abusive non post please?

In fact I'll start listing all his posts as they arise. Thanks Freediver.

Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 20^th, 2022 at 4:45pm:


And that's why I've asked Aussie if he knows anything about said legislation.

Gutless Australia says "Stop! or we'll say stop again".

Australia should be sending its military to attack China NOW!

Gutless Australia relies on the USA like a dog and follows USA instruction. Good doggy - all bark, no bite.

Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 20^th, 2022 at 4:54pm:



so what were you in court for this time?

Aussie wrote on Feb 20^th, 2022 at 4:34pm:


Thinking some more on this.

Fair dinkum.  Are our military aircraft so pissweak that they can be disabled by a military laser?  Really?  An expensive aircraft full of technology rendered useless by a bit of 'cheap' laser?  Rubbish.

Further, I do wonder if our aircraft was just innocently passing by and did not 'ping' the Chinese vessel for a bit of fun or.....*shock horror*......knowing that to do so would trigger a laser 'attack' so Morrison and Dutton could go all faux hysterical?

Humbug.

Aussie wrote on Feb 20^th, 2022 at 6:33pm:

I hear the plane had to go back to base in limp mode and at least one of the crew has eye problems. We are already in an unwanted trade war now they have us in their cross hairs.

If you were to walk in front of one of these lasers you would be plasma.

Gordon wrote on Feb 20^th, 2022 at 6:45pm:


Grandma/egg sucking.

And that aircraft might just as easily and conveniently 'pinged' the ship as I described.

We will be fed bullshit. 

Look at the political context ferfuxsake.

So we're not keeping operational matters quiet anymore , ah hah

Labor majority government wrote on Feb 20^th, 2022 at 8:56pm:


I think it's a matter of we're trying to.

You cannot be seriously asking me that, surely.

Sounds a lot like when Tony said he was going to shirt front Putin and handed him a koala bear instead when it came down to it

Why was a Chinese military ship in the Arufura Sea within Australia's exclusive economic zone?

The Australian aircraft was patrolling our own waters.

Frank wrote on Feb 21^st, 2022 at 12:33pm:

Because they know our ‘defences’ a joke

Aussie wrote on Feb 21^st, 2022 at 1:18pm:



Australia is patrolling its borders and it's not for the bloody Chinese bullies to laser target Australian patrol planes over Australian zones.

Aussie wrote on Feb 21^st, 2022 at 2:46pm:

You only say this because the Libs are in government. You will side with anyone against a Liberal government in Canberra.

If this happened with Albo in The Lodge you would be either silent of siding with the Australian government.

Shame.

Aussie wrote on Feb 21^st, 2022 at 1:18pm:


http://www.ga.gov.au/scientific-topics/national-location-information/dimensions/...

Aussie wrote on Feb 20^th, 2022 at 4:34pm:


Hey Aussie,
So the laser incident was a Morrison beat up.
Is this one an Albo beat up?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-07/china-warns-australia-after-raaf-south-ch...

China's 'backyard swimming pool' - so they say but nobody else does....

Aussie wrote on Feb 20^th, 2022 at 7:01pm:


You may be right. There could be some selective reporting going on here where the RAAF did something to provoke a response from the Chinese warship. But that may or may not have happened. The Chinese military is usually hypersensitive about anything. Their government are usually hypersensitive to any form of criticism from anywhere. So, with their (the Chinese) history well-established that China is easily provoked by outsiders, we can continue to believe that the Chinese broke some international law/rule in regards to this incident. Otherwise, we await a response by witnesses showing evidence that state a provocation from the RAAF.

A separate summary of the meeting issued by China’s Foreign Ministry said there were four requirements for Australia to improve the relationship.

First, Mr Wang said, Australia must treat China as a “partner rather than a rival”.

Second, the two countries must seek “common ground while shelving differences”.

Third, Australia must reject “manipulation by a third party”, he said, without naming the US.

Fourth, both countries must build “public support featuring positiveness and pragmatism”.

Rory Medcalf, head of the National Security College at the Australian National University, said Beijing was “likely to be disappointed” by Canberra “unless China itself changes course”.


“Wang Yi’s first two points are not so unreasonable, provided that they are read as aspirations rather than demands, and that China itself were to respect them,” Professor Medcalf told The Australian.

“The third and fourth conditions are where it gets most unrealistic. Reject manipulation by a third party? That is based on the nonsensical view that Australian foreign policy is dictated by America, whereas it’s a matter of record that Canberra has independently shown the way for Washington and others in pushing back against Beijing.

“Build public support featuring positiveness and pragmatism? Beijing telling Canberra to tell Australians what to think? That’s wilful ignorance of the nature of democracy, a free media and the character of Australians.”

Australian National University Professor of International Security and Intelligence Studies John Blaxland said the “issuing of demands” was unhelpful.

“That’s politically toxic in domestic Australian politics nowadays. Penny Wong knows that and is not going to agree to them, just like the PRC is not going to agree to a list of ‘demands’ Australia could justifiably put to Beijing,” he said.
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/politics/australia-the-root-cause-of-bre...

Frank wrote on Jul 11^th, 2022 at 8:41am:


LOL...Like the paranoid banning of Huawei by Turnbull on CIA orders, whose stated goal is to maintain US global hegemony at all costs. 

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Yes, but the constant beating of the "China threat" theory, aided and abetted by Oz "security" spooks,  is annoying to China, to say the least.

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So Blaxland is saying China's "demands" are not necessarily unreasonable, just that they are "politically toxic"  - not surprising, given the paranoia at the heart of relations in our broken world, ruled by 'security' spooks.   

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 12^th, 2022 at 1:07am:


Well of course if international law as defined by the UN - not by you - was able to be defended, then the CCP would be subject to those same international laws as you.

But you refuse to submit to internal law. Case closed.

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Pass..

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***but they would quick smart willingly "waste the lives" of Chinese people in a Taiwan war, if they knew they could get away unscathed).

Until recently, the ROC claimed THEY were the true government of China, of course the CCP, who won the civil war, disagreed. Now the ROC have decided to accept are no longer the government of China...but guess what, the CCP STILL believe they are the government of China, why should the CCP change its mind, just because the ROC has conceded?

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You mean like Iran in 1973, when the popularly-elected socialist PM Moseddagh tried to nationalize Iran's own oil production, to retain profits for the Iranian people?

The CIA had other ideas, of course...

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Indeed.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 12^th, 2022 at 1:07am:



Oh who, who is going to save you?

In his speech launching the policy, Anthony Albanese listed the countries in the industry policy arms race. There is $500bn in the US Inflation Reduction Act, the EU’s European Economic Security Strategy, Japan’s Economic Security Promotion Act, the Republic of Korea’s National Security Strategy and Canada’s moves to tighten foreign direct investment in its critical mineral reserves.

“All these countries are investing in their industrial base, their manufacturing capability and their economic sovereignty,” the Prime Minister said.  “This is not old-fashioned protectionism or isolationism, it is the new competition”.

Timeless semantics aside, the silence on one player screams from this speech. The Prime Minister name-checked every major subsidy program except the one that rules them all: the one made in China.

Each of the countries he named is reacting to Beijing’s deliberate subversion of the world marketplace. And many have made pointed statements about the method behind their madness by taking aim at China. But here the price of trade peace seems to be Beijing never has to say it’s sorry and Canberra dutifully says nothing.

Not so US Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen, who accused China of using its “state-owned enterprises and domestic private firms to dominate foreign competitors”.

She took it one step further, saying, “This strategy has been coupled with aggressive efforts to acquire new technological know-how and intellectual property including through IP theft and other illicit means.”

In passing, lest anyone argue that China is somehow doing the planet a favour, let’s note that while it dominates green manufacturing it burns 54 per cent of the globe’s coal. It was issuing permits for coal-fired power plants at the rate of two a week in 2022 and accounts for 35 per cent of global carbon emissions. So if the intent of this green trade war is to cut emissions then the logic is missing in action.
Chris Uhlmann

With its thumb pressed hard on the trade scales, Beijing is expunging competition in some sectors from the international landscape. Start spreading the news, if you can’t make it there you can’t make it anywhere.
This second “China shock” is shaking the world. The first came after China entered the World Trade Organisation. Then, in parts of the US that were directly competing in manufacturing, a million jobs were lost. Another 1.5 million vanished from the communities where industry was shuttered.

While Americans benefited from lower prices overall there was desolation in some regions, mostly the midwest and southeast, and the effects were persistent. Thriving communities withered into poverty. There is a reason for the searing anger at Washington in parts of the US and it is bloodlessly rational. But that is another story.

Analysis of the second China shock led by Brad Setser from the US Council on Foreign Relations calculates Beijing’s manufacturing surplus now stands at about 2 per cent of world GDP, roughly $2.5 trillion. That is bigger than Australia’s economy and “far exceeds the peak surpluses run by export powerhouses like Japan and Germany”.

Highlighting China’s massive subsidy-driven surplus in manufactured exports does not imply that in a free-trade world every country including China would have a balance in its manufactured exports and imports. But any comparative advantage China may have in manufacturing is dwarfed by the Chinese Communist Party subsidies designed to crush international competition.

This presents a wicked dilemma for any government. If you want the cheapest, fastest route to decarbonising your economy then let Chinese solar panels and EVs flood your market. This also would help cut inflation even as it lays waste to domestic industries and increases carbon emissions in China.

If, however, you want a piece of the burgeoning green manufacturing market and would like to stay in office, then block Chinese goods with prohibitive tariffs and try to build a local industry behind the flood walls. This will create some jobs but it will deliver more expensive and probably inferior products. That will drive inflation up and slow down the reduction in domestic emissions.

freediver wrote on May 18^th, 2024 at 8:51am:


Very perspicacious of you.

So much so - I'm guessing you are being sarcastic....

thegreatdivide wrote on May 18^th, 2024 at 2:43pm:


No. I actually think we should take advantage of it. Let the Chinese peasants work for 50c a day making solar panels and EVs for us. It won't last forever. Unless the CCP does another great leap forward.

thegreatdivide wrote on May 18^th, 2024 at 4:28pm:


Are you hoping they will get as fat as the Americans? This is just the sort of thinking that will drag them back to the Mao era. You can already see it happening.

thegreatdivide wrote on May 19^th, 2024 at 12:18pm:


Ah. Subsidise healthy consumption. Is there any aspect of people's lives the CCP doesn't want to control?

From what I heard the CCP built way too many, though not necessarily of "good" quality. They have dozens of ghost cities. Brand new cities with no-one in them. The CCP is trying to do to the housing industry what they did to the farming industry during the Great Chinese Famine. It is mind boggling how the CCP is allowed to repeat the same moronic mistakes over and over again.

But just keep parroting their propaganda for them. Just ignore those empty cities, ignore the tens of millions of dead people, but if a private company collapses and investors lose money, it proves the failure of capitalism.

ABC, 2 weeks ago

The Australian dollar is showing some strength, and that could be good news for travellers
By business reporter David Taylor
Posted Wed 10 Jul 2024 at 5:00amWednesday 10 Jul 2024 at 5:00am, updated Wed 10 Jul 2024 at 10:10am



Reality now
The Australian dollar fell in its longest stretch of losses in almost a year as concerns about China’s economic recovery continue to weigh on the currency and commodity prices.

The local currency dropped for its seventh consecutive session on Tuesday to trade at US66.30¢, its lowest level since June 17. That’s down more than 2 per cent from a peak of US67.84¢ just over a week ago after the Chinese Communist Party’s Third Plenum policy meeting left markets disappointed.





China is going the way Japan did in the 1990s.