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Question: Do you support this law? [Vic RARTA 2001 S25(2)]

Yes    
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No    
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Undecided    
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Total votes: 9
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Reply #30 - Jul 24th, 2017 at 9:46pm
 
John Smith wrote on Jul 24th, 2017 at 9:32pm:
nope. I think anyone promoting hatred deserves to go to jail. I don't care what religion they are.



Smithy - you hate everyone -

does that mean you should go to jail?
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Reply #31 - Jul 24th, 2017 at 10:08pm
 
freediver wrote on Jul 24th, 2017 at 9:05pm:
Muslims make anti Christian videos all the time.


Can you provide factual documented evidence that supports this statement?

Perhaps you can explain what "all the time" means n your terms of reference, because I suspect even extremist muslims need to sleep...  Shocked
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Reply #32 - Jul 24th, 2017 at 10:29pm
 
Moriaty wrote on Jul 24th, 2017 at 10:08pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 24th, 2017 at 9:05pm:
Muslims make anti Christian videos all the time.


Can you provide factual documented evidence that supports this statement?

Perhaps you can explain what "all the time" means n your terms of reference, because I suspect even extremist muslims need to sleep...† Shocked



They are on social media - horrible stuff -
beheadings etc.
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Reply #33 - Jul 24th, 2017 at 11:35pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jul 24th, 2017 at 9:46pm:
John Smith wrote on Jul 24th, 2017 at 9:32pm:
nope. I think anyone promoting hatred deserves to go to jail. I don't care what religion they are.



Smithy - you hate everyone -

does that mean you should go to jail?


au contraire. I don't hate anyone Booby. When have you ever seen me start a hate thread?
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Reply #34 - Jul 25th, 2017 at 9:29am
 
Bobby. wrote on Jul 25th, 2017 at 8:31am:
John Smith wrote on Jul 25th, 2017 at 8:14am:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 24th, 2017 at 11:37pm:
John Smith wrote on Jul 24th, 2017 at 11:35pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 24th, 2017 at 9:46pm:
John Smith wrote on Jul 24th, 2017 at 9:32pm:
nope. I think anyone promoting hatred deserves to go to jail. I don't care what religion they are.



Smithy - you hate everyone -

does that mean you should go to jail?


au contraire. I don't hate anyone Bobby. When have you ever seen me start a hate thread?



Hey everyone - John loves you now.


you're an idiot bobby.



Smithy,
Get an anger management course - you need it badly.


you're an idiot bobby.
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Reply #35 - Jul 25th, 2017 at 3:19pm
 
freediver wrote on Jul 24th, 2017 at 9:05pm:
Muslims make anti Christian videos all the time. Have you ever seen me complain?


Rubbish. Reference just one. If they're really doing it all the time, you shouldn't have any trouble citing one.

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In a recent discussion with Gandalf, Gandalf expressed his support for charging the Muslims holding up the beheading placards. I disagreed with him. Unlike you, I am consistent in my views.


Well by "recent" you mean about 4 years ago, but anyway...

Australian law is very clear on incitement to violence. When you get a bunch of rampaging thugs being violent - then yes, the slogan "behead those who insult the prophet" in that context could (and should) be interpreted as incitement. This is obviously very different to a peaceful protest in which protesters are calmly calling for the death penalty for blasphemy - regardless of how distasteful we find it. Context is everything.
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Reply #36 - Jul 25th, 2017 at 6:01pm
 
John Smith wrote on Jul 24th, 2017 at 8:44pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 24th, 2017 at 8:40pm:
Do you think the law being used is a good idea?


In this case, yes. Would you be whinging if a muslim was making an anti Christianity video and police charged them with the same crime?


John Smith wrote on Jul 24th, 2017 at 9:32pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 24th, 2017 at 9:05pm:
Muslims make anti Christian videos all the time. Have you ever seen me complain?


that's a trick question, right?

freediver wrote on Jul 24th, 2017 at 9:05pm:
Do you?


nope. I think anyone promoting hatred deserves to go to jail. I don't care what religion they are.


So it doesn't matter how you get them there, so long as they end up in jail?

If someone promoted hatred of Nazis, would you also want to see them in jail?
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Reply #37 - Jul 25th, 2017 at 6:03pm
 
freediver wrote on Jul 25th, 2017 at 6:01pm:
So it doesn't matter how you get them there, so long as they end up in jail?

If someone promoted hatred of Nazis, would you also want to see them in jail?


yep (ohh, and nazism isn't a religion)
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Reply #38 - Jul 25th, 2017 at 6:06pm
 
freediver wrote on Jul 24th, 2017 at 9:05pm:
Muslims make anti Christian videos all the time. Have you ever seen me complain?

In a recent discussion with Gandalf, Gandalf expressed his support for charging the Muslims holding up the beheading placards. I disagreed with him. Unlike you, I am consistent in my views. I don't change my mind about whether a law is good or bad depending on who is getting charged at the moment.

Do you?


Would you like to try giving a straight answer this time John? He is not charged with promoting hatred.

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Reply #39 - Jul 25th, 2017 at 6:07pm
 
freediver wrote on Jul 25th, 2017 at 6:06pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 24th, 2017 at 9:05pm:
Muslims make anti Christian videos all the time. Have you ever seen me complain?

In a recent discussion with Gandalf, Gandalf expressed his support for charging the Muslims holding up the beheading placards. I disagreed with him. Unlike you, I am consistent in my views. I don't change my mind about whether a law is good or bad depending on who is getting charged at the moment.

Do you?


Would you like to try giving a straight answer this time John? He is not charged with promoting hatred.


I didn't say he was FD. Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #40 - Jul 25th, 2017 at 6:08pm
 
John Smith wrote on Jul 25th, 2017 at 6:07pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 25th, 2017 at 6:06pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 24th, 2017 at 9:05pm:
Muslims make anti Christian videos all the time. Have you ever seen me complain?

In a recent discussion with Gandalf, Gandalf expressed his support for charging the Muslims holding up the beheading placards. I disagreed with him. Unlike you, I am consistent in my views. I don't change my mind about whether a law is good or bad depending on who is getting charged at the moment.

Do you?


Would you like to try giving a straight answer this time John? He is not charged with promoting hatred.


I didn't say he was FD. Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


Would you like to have another go at giving a straight answer John?

You just said anyone promoting hatred should go to jail. Now you are back pedaling already. Would you like to make your mind up before I spend several pages seeing how far backwards you will pedal?
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Reply #41 - Jul 25th, 2017 at 6:10pm
 
freediver wrote on Jul 25th, 2017 at 6:08pm:
John Smith wrote on Jul 25th, 2017 at 6:07pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 25th, 2017 at 6:06pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 24th, 2017 at 9:05pm:
Muslims make anti Christian videos all the time. Have you ever seen me complain?

In a recent discussion with Gandalf, Gandalf expressed his support for charging the Muslims holding up the beheading placards. I disagreed with him. Unlike you, I am consistent in my views. I don't change my mind about whether a law is good or bad depending on who is getting charged at the moment.

Do you?


Would you like to try giving a straight answer this time John? He is not charged with promoting hatred.


I didn't say he was FD. Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


Would you like to have another go at giving a straight answer John?

You just said anyone promoting hatred should go to jail. Now you are back pedaling already. Would you like to make your mind up before I spend several pages seeing how far backwards you will pedal?


are you perchance  on drugs FD? Are you just going to repeat the same question over and over again and hope for a different answer?
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Reply #42 - Jul 25th, 2017 at 6:14pm
 
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are you perchance† on drugs FD? Are you just going to repeat the same question over and over again and hope for a different answer?


I will try to dumb it down for you until you realise your hypocrisy.

Here it is again for you John. Note the absence of any references to hatred:

Alinta wrote on Jul 23rd, 2017 at 9:47pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 23rd, 2017 at 9:43pm:
I don't think he was charged for criticising the government.

When was this law made?


2001

Charged under S 25 (2)....

(2)† †† A person must not, on the ground of the religious belief or activity of another person or class of persons, knowingly engage in conduct with the intention of inciting serious contempt for, or revulsion or severe ridicule of, that other person or class of persons.

Note

"Engage in conduct" includes use of the internet or e-mail to publish or transmit statements or other material.

Penalty:† †† In the case of a body corporate, 300 penalty units;

In any other case, imprisonment for 6 months or 60 penalty units or both.

† † (3)† †† For the purposes of subsections (1) and (2), conductó

† †† †† (a)† †† may be constituted by a single occasion or by a number of occasions over a period of time; and

† †† †† (b)† †† may occur in or outside Victoria.

† † (4)† †† A prosecution for an offence against subsection (1) or (2) must not be commenced without the written consent of the Director of Public Prosecutions.

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/vic/consol_act/rarta2001265/


Do you support this law? Regardless of who it is being charged?

Do you still think anyone promoting hatred should go to jail?
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Reply #43 - Jul 25th, 2017 at 6:16pm
 
freediver wrote on Jul 25th, 2017 at 6:14pm:
Here it is again for you John. Note the absence of any references to hatred:

Alinta wrote on Jul 23rd, 2017 at 9:47pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 23rd, 2017 at 9:43pm:
I don't think he was charged for criticising the government.

When was this law made?


2001

Charged under S 25 (2)....

(2)† †† A person must not, on the ground of the religious belief or activity of another person or class of persons, knowingly engage in conduct with the intention of inciting serious contempt for, or revulsion or severe ridicule of, that other person or class of persons.

Note

"Engage in conduct" includes use of the internet or e-mail to publish or transmit statements or other material.

Penalty:† †† In the case of a body corporate, 300 penalty units;

In any other case, imprisonment for 6 months or 60 penalty units or both.

† † (3)† †† For the purposes of subsections (1) and (2), conductó

† †† †† (a)† †† may be constituted by a single occasion or by a number of occasions over a period of time; and

† †† †† (b)† †† may occur in or outside Victoria.

† † (4)† †† A prosecution for an offence against subsection (1) or (2) must not be commenced without the written consent of the Director of Public Prosecutions.

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/vic/consol_act/rarta2001265/


Do you support this law? Regardless of who it is being charged?

Do you still think anyone promoting hatred should go to jail?


i  already answered that FD. I told you I didn't have a problem with the law (2 or 3 times). I'm not sure why you think asking 500 times is going to help you.
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Reply #44 - Jul 25th, 2017 at 6:18pm
 
freediver wrote on Jul 25th, 2017 at 6:14pm:
Note the absence of any references to hatred:


but that wasn't what you asked me, now was it Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

freediver wrote on Jul 25th, 2017 at 6:01pm:
If someone promoted hatred of Nazis, would you also want to see them in jail?

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