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Re: Blair Cottrel
Reply #45 - Jul 25^th, 2017 at 6:19pm

John this would be a whole lot easier if you didn't have a habit of saying incredibly stupid things and following it up with endless tapdancing to try to maintain two positions at once.

John Smith wrote on Jul 25^th, 2017 at 6:16pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 25^th, 2017 at 6:14pm:

Here it is again for you John. Note the absence of any references to hatred:

Alinta wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2017 at 9:47pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2017 at 9:43pm:

I don't think he was charged for criticising the government.

When was this law made?

2001

Charged under S 25 (2)....

(2)    A person must not, on the ground of the religious belief or activity of another person or class of persons, knowingly engage in conduct with the intention of inciting serious contempt for, or revulsion or severe ridicule of, that other person or class of persons.

Note

"Engage in conduct" includes use of the internet or e-mail to publish or transmit statements or other material.

Penalty:    In the case of a body corporate, 300 penalty units;

In any other case, imprisonment for 6 months or 60 penalty units or both.

(3)    For the purposes of subsections (1) and (2), conduct—

      (a)    may be constituted by a single occasion or by a number of occasions over a period of time; and

      (b)    may occur in or outside Victoria.

(4)    A prosecution for an offence against subsection (1) or (2) must not be commenced without the written consent of the Director of Public Prosecutions.

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/vic/consol_act/rarta2001265/

Do you support this law? Regardless of who it is being charged?

Do you still think anyone promoting hatred should go to jail?

i already answered that FD. I told you I didn't have a problem with the law (2 or 3 times). I'm not sure why you think asking 500 times is going to help you.

You have given a straight answer only once John, followed by you directly contradicting that answer. You said you support the law regardless of who is being charged, then specified which people you would support the law being applied to. I am not sure how to dumb this down any further for you. How about you think first before answering?

Do you support the law regardless of who is being charged?

You also said you think anyone promoting hatred should go to jail, yet the first example I put to you, you changed your mind. Hence, I am repeating that question also. Do you think anyone promoting hatred should be jailed?

Obviously I expect a different answer eventually, because eventually you will realise how stupid your original statement was.

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 72209 Gender:	Re: Blair Cottrel Reply #46 - Jul 25^th, 2017 at 6:41pm freediver wrote on Jul 25^th, 2017 at 6:19pm: then specified which people you would support the law being applied to. where did I do that?
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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 72209 Gender:	Re: Blair Cottrel Reply #47 - Jul 25^th, 2017 at 6:42pm freediver wrote on Jul 25^th, 2017 at 6:19pm: You also said you think anyone promoting hatred should go to jail, yet the first example I put to you, you changed your mind. you can't read can you?
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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95276 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Blair Cottrel Reply #48 - Jul 25^th, 2017 at 6:58pm John Smith wrote on Jul 24^th, 2017 at 9:32pm: nope. I think anyone promoting hatred deserves to go to jail. I don't care what religion they are. John has Alzheimer's.
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Re: Blair Cottrel
Reply #49 - Jul 25^th, 2017 at 7:02pm

Bobby. wrote on Jul 25^th, 2017 at 6:58pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 24^th, 2017 at 9:32pm:

nope.

I think anyone promoting hatred deserves to go to jail.

I don't care what religion they are.

John has Alzheimer's.

did you quote that because you thought it sounded good bobby? I didn't deny saying that, I denied contradicting myself.

Can you perhaps help FD, and show where I changed my mind after his first example?

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Re: Blair Cottrel
Reply #50 - Jul 25^th, 2017 at 7:15pm

John Smith wrote on Jul 25^th, 2017 at 6:03pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 25^th, 2017 at 6:01pm:

So it doesn't matter how you get them there, so long as they end up in jail?

If someone promoted hatred of Nazis, would you also want to see them in jail?

yep

(ohh, and nazism isn't a religion)

John wants to see people who hate Nazis go to jail.

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Re: Blair Cottrel
Reply #51 - Jul 25^th, 2017 at 7:17pm

Bobby. wrote on Jul 25^th, 2017 at 7:15pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 25^th, 2017 at 6:03pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 25^th, 2017 at 6:01pm:

So it doesn't matter how you get them there, so long as they end up in jail?

If someone promoted hatred of Nazis, would you also want to see them in jail?

yep

(ohh, and nazism isn't a religion)

John wants to see people who hate Nazis go to jail.

John's grandfather was a nazi Bobby.

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Re: Blair Cottrel
Reply #52 - Jul 25^th, 2017 at 7:19pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 25^th, 2017 at 7:17pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 25^th, 2017 at 7:15pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 25^th, 2017 at 6:03pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 25^th, 2017 at 6:01pm:

So it doesn't matter how you get them there, so long as they end up in jail?

If someone promoted hatred of Nazis, would you also want to see them in jail?

yep

(ohh, and nazism isn't a religion)

John wants to see people who hate Nazis go to jail.

John's grandfather was a nazi Bobby.

John likes to call other people idiots. Grin

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Re: Blair Cottrel
Reply #53 - Jul 25^th, 2017 at 7:24pm

Bobby. wrote on Jul 25^th, 2017 at 7:19pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 25^th, 2017 at 7:17pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 25^th, 2017 at 7:15pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 25^th, 2017 at 6:03pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 25^th, 2017 at 6:01pm:

So it doesn't matter how you get them there, so long as they end up in jail?

If someone promoted hatred of Nazis, would you also want to see them in jail?

yep

(ohh, and nazism isn't a religion)

John wants to see people who hate Nazis go to jail.

John's grandfather was a nazi Bobby.

John likes to call other people idiots. Grin

He's got fascist dna running through his veins. That's why he's a leftist.

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Re: Blair Cottrel
Reply #54 - Jul 25^th, 2017 at 7:38pm

Bobby. wrote on Jul 25^th, 2017 at 7:19pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 25^th, 2017 at 7:17pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 25^th, 2017 at 7:15pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 25^th, 2017 at 6:03pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 25^th, 2017 at 6:01pm:

So it doesn't matter how you get them there, so long as they end up in jail?

If someone promoted hatred of Nazis, would you also want to see them in jail?

yep

(ohh, and nazism isn't a religion)

John wants to see people who hate Nazis go to jail.

John's grandfather was a nazi Bobby.

John likes to call other people idiots. Grin

not everyone bobby But you certainly qualify Grin

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Re: Blair Cottrel
Reply #55 - Jul 25^th, 2017 at 7:39pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 25^th, 2017 at 7:24pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 25^th, 2017 at 7:19pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 25^th, 2017 at 7:17pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 25^th, 2017 at 7:15pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 25^th, 2017 at 6:03pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 25^th, 2017 at 6:01pm:

So it doesn't matter how you get them there, so long as they end up in jail?

If someone promoted hatred of Nazis, would you also want to see them in jail?

yep

(ohh, and nazism isn't a religion)

John wants to see people who hate Nazis go to jail.

John's grandfather was a nazi Bobby.

John likes to call other people idiots. Grin

He's got fascist dna running through his veins. That's why he's a leftist.

and you have stupidity running through yours

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 72209 Gender:	Re: Blair Cottrel Reply #56 - Jul 25^th, 2017 at 7:41pm Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 25^th, 2017 at 7:24pm: He's got fascist dna running through his veins. That's why he's a leftist.
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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95276 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Blair Cottrel Reply #57 - Jul 25^th, 2017 at 7:47pm OK John - we've had enough now - you've turned a thread about Blair Cottrell into a thread about your idiocy. That's enough - back to the topic.
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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 72209 Gender:	Re: Blair Cottrel Reply #58 - Jul 25^th, 2017 at 7:48pm Bobby. wrote on Jul 25^th, 2017 at 7:47pm: OK John - we've had enough now - you've turned a thread about Blair Cottrell into a thread about your idiocy. That's enough - back to the topic. weren't you going to help FD? He's really struggling here, he needs all the help he can get, even if it is from you.
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Re: Blair Cottrel
Reply #59 - Jul 25^th, 2017 at 8:10pm

OK John, let's try giving some straight answers for once. Just for you, I will dumb it down even more.

Do you think anyone who promotes hatred should be jailed?

Should people be jailed for promoting hatred of Nazis?

Do you support this law regardless of who is being charged under it? Or only people you see as "promoting hatred"? Why is the promotion of hatred even relevant to whether you support the law?

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