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Dec 10th, 2016 at 9:14pm
 
what a load of bullshit from these morons wanting to change 18 c .    can you imagine if you asked oliver and hardy barnardi or george branded when was the last time you had a black or muslum round your house for a bbq.   and when was the last time you were round thers.  and what did they think of this 18c poo.   if these questions where asked these morons would have heart palpatations.   this is all part of the plan from the monks disciples to make poor mall look like a glove puppet and also agree with the morons.  just about every week the disciples will come out and go to change policy so mall will again change his mind .  and each week the polls will slip down and down .  then the bed pissers will start to rattle worried about there high paid jobs and huge pensions..then there constituency will ask what is going on this yes minister mall is going against every thing he believes in.  then the numbers will start.   then who will we vote for .  remember i told you in my other blogs mall made mugs out of the other contenders.   sorryson  mutton barny rubble .      so the bedpissers will say who can we put in remember the cupboard is bare..enter da monk that bet looks good.   regarding 18c the right wing morons will poo when the words of the jewish  vote start to voice there anger these clowns will clam up quick smart.   and if you think this will never happen again but your not a back bencher the polls will push this  be lucky :D ;)
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Reply #1 - Dec 11th, 2016 at 8:39am
 
Have you ever tried asking a Muslim what they think of 18c?
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Reply #2 - Dec 11th, 2016 at 8:57am
 
Does anyone know what the problem is with 18c ?

Or what the suggested fix actually is ?
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Reply #3 - Dec 11th, 2016 at 9:04am
 
The problem is that it is a direct attack on freedom of speech. The solution is to get rid of it.
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Reply #4 - Dec 11th, 2016 at 9:14am
 
freediver wrote on Dec 11th, 2016 at 9:04am:
The problem is that it is a direct attack on freedom of speech. The solution is to get rid of it.


I don't agree that it is a freedom of speech issue at all.

Much speech is already impinged in other areas.

Protecting people from racial vilification is not a bad thing.
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Reply #5 - Dec 11th, 2016 at 9:33am
 
What about protecting people from perceived insult? Should we have the right not to be offended, and do you see that as an attack on freedom of speech?

How do all the other attacks on freedom of speech make this somehow not an attack on freedom of speech? Do we cease attacking freedom of speech when we attack it on several fronts?
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Reply #6 - Dec 11th, 2016 at 9:34am
 
And do those who oppose 18c actually realize that 18D protects their freedom of speech.
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Reply #7 - Dec 11th, 2016 at 9:37am
 
That is a common fallacy promoted by the supporters of 18c. An Australian man was put in jail for denying the holocaust because of 18c. He was not protected by 18d. 18d talks a lot about 'fair comment'. However, anyone who becomes a victim of this sort of attack on freedom of speech is obviously going to be part of a very unpopular minority whose opinions are considered unfair by the dominant majority. 18d only protects people who have nothing to fear from 18c to begin with.
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Reply #8 - Dec 11th, 2016 at 10:24am
 
freediver wrote on Dec 11th, 2016 at 9:33am:
What about protecting people from perceived insult?



says the guy who wants to ban someone for holding up 'behead the infidel'  placards ...

not such a fan of free speech after all are you!
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Reply #9 - Dec 11th, 2016 at 10:34am
 
That was Gandalf John, not me.

Not that this has anything to do with whether people have the right not to be offended. Do you have an opinion on 18c John?
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Reply #10 - Dec 11th, 2016 at 10:37am
 
freediver wrote on Dec 11th, 2016 at 10:34am:
That was Gandalf John, not me.

Not that this has anything to do with whether people have the right not to be offended. Do you have an opinion on 18c John?



sure it was

And I don't have a problem with 18c ... it's been around for 20 yrs and no one had a problem until the retards fan boy, Bolt, got in trouble for lying.
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Reply #11 - Dec 11th, 2016 at 10:40am
 
Do you think the guy who got jailed for denying the holocaust had a problem with the laws?

Is it OK to destroy freedom of speech if no-one cares about the victims?
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Reply #12 - Dec 11th, 2016 at 10:42am
 
freediver wrote on Dec 11th, 2016 at 10:40am:
Do you think the guy who got jailed for denying the holocaust had a problem with the laws?

Is it OK to destroy freedom of speech if no-one cares about the victims?



I'm not familiar with the case so can't comment on it specifically.
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Reply #13 - Dec 11th, 2016 at 10:45am
 
freediver wrote on Dec 11th, 2016 at 9:37am:
An Australian man was put in jail for denying the holocaust because of 18c. He was not protected by 18d.


Do you have a link for that?

The only similar case I could find was Gerald Fredrick Töben who was jailed in 2009 for contempt of court

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerald_Fredrick_T%C3%B6ben
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Reply #14 - Dec 11th, 2016 at 10:50am
 
John Smith wrote on Dec 11th, 2016 at 10:42am:
freediver wrote on Dec 11th, 2016 at 10:40am:
Do you think the guy who got jailed for denying the holocaust had a problem with the laws?

Is it OK to destroy freedom of speech if no-one cares about the victims?



I'm not familiar with the case so can't comment on it specifically.


I am, and this has been debated to death in FD's Thread he 'stickied' all over the Forum.

The bloke was jailed for contempt of Court in that he defied a Court Order to cease publishing certain material (which was anti holocaust propaganda.)  He had first published that material.  He was not done under 18C for that, he was ordered by the Court to cease doing so.  He defied that order, continued publishing, and was jailed for contempt of Court.
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