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Re: One Nation Would Lift The Ban On Nuclear Power
Reply #60 - Oct 11^th, 2026 at 8:14pm

lee wrote on Oct 11^th, 2026 at 7:51pm:

Dnarever wrote on Oct 11^th, 2026 at 7:43pm:

It isn't my math it is how it is done in practice - Fuel rods are re processed once or twice before going into long term storage.

That is not scientifically justified. So if we take it loses 4% of retained power, each time it is processed, that would make it 128 times before it lost half its power.
So " re processing it the once or twice which is the current limit." is NOT the limit. It is what is done,

From AI: Spent nuclear fuel can be reprocessed multiple times to recover usable materials, but the exact number of times depends on the technology used and regulatory policies. Currently, in the U.S., reprocessing is not permitted, while some countries like France actively recycle spent fuel.

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Spent nuclear fuel can be reprocessed multiple times

Yes in theory it can but it isn't. France use about 10% Mox fuel and 90% normal nuclear fuel. There is no multiple processed fuel in use anywhere other than trials and dev testing.

If Mox fule is reprocessed the level of radioactivity increases and managing it becomes more difficult and dangerous. It is also much more expensive to do it.

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Re: One Nation Would Lift The Ban On Nuclear Power
Reply #61 - Oct 11^th, 2026 at 8:32pm

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The problem isn’t nuclear itself, but how nuclear projects are managed.
If done properly, nuclear power plants provide a stable,
long-term investment that delivers clean electricity for generations."

Yes clean for decades - Chernobyl and Fukushima are great examples. Its nice and quiet too with all those pesky people gone. They are projecting 20,000 years before people can live at Chernobyl. Thats a bit optimistic too.

OH and re processed fuel is more radioactive - its worse ?

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21779 Gender:	Re: One Nation Would Lift The Ban On Nuclear Power Reply #62 - Oct 11^th, 2026 at 9:34pm Chernobyl was a flawed design to start with.
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Re: One Nation Would Lift The Ban On Nuclear Power
Reply #63 - Oct 11^th, 2026 at 9:36pm

lee wrote on Oct 11^th, 2026 at 7:51pm:

Dnarever wrote on Oct 11^th, 2026 at 7:43pm:

It isn't my math it is how it is done in practice - Fuel rods are re processed once or twice before going into long term storage.

That is not scientifically justified. So if we take it loses 4% of retained power, each time it is processed,
that would make it

128 times before it lost half its power.

So " re processing it the once or twice which is the current limit." is NOT the limit. It is what is done,

From AI: Spent nuclear fuel can be reprocessed multiple times to recover usable materials, but the exact number of times depends on the technology used and regulatory policies. Currently, in the U.S., reprocessing is not permitted, while some countries like France actively recycle spent fuel.

Lee - go back to school. losing 4% = 0.96 of the original.

0.96 to the power of 17 = 0.4995 = half.

Not 128 times.

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Re: One Nation Would Lift The Ban On Nuclear Power
Reply #64 - Oct 11^th, 2026 at 9:37pm

Dnarever wrote on Oct 11^th, 2026 at 8:14pm:

Yes in theory it can but it isn't.

Because of policy, not limitations on the science.

wiki: The key issue driving this policy was the risk of nuclear weapons proliferation by diversion of plutonium from the civilian fuel cycle, and to encourage other nations to follow the US lead.
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21779 Gender:	Re: One Nation Would Lift The Ban On Nuclear Power Reply #65 - Oct 11^th, 2026 at 9:41pm Bobby. wrote on Oct 11^th, 2026 at 8:02pm: Lee - go back to school. losing 4% = 0.96 of the original. You are right. I didn't check what I wrote. It should have been 18 times, using the rule of 72.
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Reply #66 - Oct 11^th, 2026 at 9:47pm

lee wrote on Oct 11^th, 2026 at 9:41pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 11^th, 2026 at 8:02pm:

Lee - go back to school. losing 4% = 0.96 of the original.

You are right. I didn't check what I wrote. It should have been 18 times, using the rule of 72.

In any case fuel can only be re-processed a couple of times - I think?

It gets full of dangerous daughter products which interefere
in the nuclear reactions and are hard to separate out.

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Re: One Nation Would Lift The Ban On Nuclear Power
Reply #67 - Oct 11^th, 2026 at 9:58pm

Dnarever wrote on Oct 11^th, 2026 at 8:32pm:

Grappler,
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The problem isn’t nuclear itself, but how nuclear projects are managed.
If done properly, nuclear power plants provide a stable,
long-term investment that delivers clean electricity for generations."

Yes clean for decades - Chernobyl and Fukushima are great examples. Its nice and quiet too with all those pesky people gone. They are projecting 20,000 years before people can live at Chernobyl. Thats a bit optimistic too.

OH and re processed fuel is more radioactive - its worse ?

Wild horses and deer are there....

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Re: One Nation Would Lift The Ban On Nuclear Power
Reply #68 - Oct 12^th, 2026 at 12:13pm

lee wrote on Oct 11^th, 2026 at 2:04pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 11^th, 2026 at 8:22am:

There you go Lee. Once more you post evidence supporting my position.

Ah yes. truncating what I said again.freediver wrote on Oct 11^th, 2026 at 8:22am:

When your own previous evidence supported 80 to 90% of our electricity come from "weather dependent" renewables as the cheapest option, you still concluded we should go 100% nuclear, even though it did not cite a single circumstance where nuclear was the cheapest.

You didn't read the bit about the CSIRO which Claude quoted, I explained exactly what was in the NextGen 25-26 report.

lee wrote on Oct 10^th, 2026 at 9:12pm:

Now the CSIRO next Gen report 25-26, says by 2030 we need 33GWh of battery storage. The east coast of Australia uses about 655GWh per day. That's about 3 minutes.

It then says we need 12GWh of hydro, 7 already existing and hoping Snowy2 finishes in time. Add that to the batteries and we get to 4 minutes.

So what Claude said was also not the leveilised full Cost of Electricity.

BTW- I was wrong about the time it is about 1.6 hours, which is still not long.

The new report, according to Claude also says that -

"The extra firming. The ISP says its full reliability check found more firming was needed than the draft assumed, and that gas was assumed as the firming solution. The summary doesn’t show what that added capacity cost, or whether it is separate from the 17 GW. It also says other options, such as demand flexibility, could be cheaper."

So the LFCOE shows more expense, including overbuilding. NextGen doesn't cover how much is required, therefore it is not in the calculation.

Your posts show a lot of bloviating. Thanks for the rehash of the finer details of your bloviating, but your own evidence still concludes that renewables are cheaper than nuclear. If anyone failed to read your posts, or understand them, it was you.

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Re: One Nation Would Lift The Ban On Nuclear Power
Reply #69 - Oct 12^th, 2026 at 2:23pm

freediver wrote on Oct 12^th, 2026 at 12:13pm:

Your posts show a lot of bloviating. Thanks for the rehash of the finer details of your bloviating, but your own evidence still concludes that renewables are cheaper than nuclear.

As was said by multiple sources, it depends on the assumptions. The assumption that the grid on the east coast can rely on 2.6 hours of backup is laughable. A Dunkelflaute can last more than a week. Unless of course you want load shedding. Grin

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21779 Gender:	Re: One Nation Would Lift The Ban On Nuclear Power Reply #70 - Oct 12^th, 2026 at 2:24pm Bobby. wrote on Oct 11^th, 2026 at 9:47pm: In any case fuel can only be re-processed a couple of times - I think? That is policy, not engineering.
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Reply #71 - Oct 12^th, 2026 at 3:59pm

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As was said by multiple sources, it depends on the assumptions.

That is not what the sources actually said. Pretty much every source you gave contradicted your conclusions and stated quite clearly that renewables are still cheaper. You were just too busy bloviating to notice.

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A Dunkelflaute can last more than a week.

A week of darkness? Are you worried about our grid surviving the end times? Or powering northern Germany through their winter?

What country do you think this forum is about Lee?

Are there any LNP or One Nation supporters around who are not as confused as Lee?

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 123062 Melbourne Gender:	Re: One Nation Would Lift The Ban On Nuclear Power Reply #72 - Oct 12^th, 2026 at 5:28pm lee wrote on Oct 12^th, 2026 at 2:24pm: Bobby. wrote on Oct 11^th, 2026 at 9:47pm: In any case fuel can only be re-processed a couple of times - I think? That is policy, not engineering. It's science.
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21779 Gender:	Re: One Nation Would Lift The Ban On Nuclear Power Reply #73 - Oct 12^th, 2026 at 5:44pm Bobby. wrote on Oct 12^th, 2026 at 5:28pm: It's science. policy isn't science either.
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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 123062 Melbourne Gender:	Re: One Nation Would Lift The Ban On Nuclear Power Reply #74 - Oct 12^th, 2026 at 5:56pm lee wrote on Oct 12^th, 2026 at 5:44pm: Bobby. wrote on Oct 12^th, 2026 at 5:28pm: It's science. policy isn't science either. Lee- you'd have to a nuclear engineer to understand it all - neither of us are.
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