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Re: One Nation Would Lift The Ban On Nuclear Power
Reply #135 - Oct 23^rd, 2026 at 9:11pm

freediver wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2026 at 8:13pm:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2026 at 6:40pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2026 at 11:42am:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2026 at 11:05am:

freediver wrote on Oct 19^th, 2026 at 8:31am:

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Australia is already committed to “Nuclear Power’’ with our proposed steam submarines; what is the difference between a steam submarine producing its steam power with heat from a nuclear reactor and a steam powered electric generator using heat from a nuclear reactor a few kilometres from the sub base but on dry land?

Are we building those submarines in Australia?

No, they are USA built, but that’s irrelevant because they along with their reactors will be in Australian ports.

It is relevant, according to you. If not, why did you ask us for the difference between a nuclear sub and a nuclear power plant? Do you think being able to simply place an order for one, vs having to actually build it in Australia, makes no difference to cost, delivery time, safety etc, especially considering we have no established nuclear industry here?

Another key difference you seem oblivious to: you cannot make a rational decision on whether to build a nuclear power plant without considering alternatives like wind and solar (unless, perhaps, you are a member of the Liberal party or One Nation). Have you ever heard of a wind or solar powered submarine?

Do you think your question may have been a little bit silly, and yet consistent with the attitude of Liberal and One Nation voters?

The relevant thing is that nuclear reactors will be situated in the ports of our major cities and who is talking about rationality?
Certainly not the proponents of the proposed steam submarines.
If a nuclear power plant cannot be located on land 400 miles from a city why can one located on water be but a few miles from a CBD?

Nearly forgot, early submarines were wind powered on the surface if the wind was right.

Perhaps you didn't notice, but the main criticism of nuclear is that it is too expensive.

That is why. No need for the bloviating.

Have you figured out yet why subs can't run on wind or solar? Or do you still need us to explain the difference for you?

Have you not read my remarks on early submarines using sails on the surface?
Have you also figured out that there are no nuclear powered submarines?
Nuclear powered engines cannot be used on Earth, they are used exclusively in space.
The whole point is that RAN nuclear reactors will be in our cities, so what’s the point in not having a few others generating electricity for peaceful use?

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Re: One Nation Would Lift The Ban On Nuclear Power
Reply #137 - Oct 23^rd, 2026 at 9:44pm

freediver wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2026 at 9:24pm:

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Have you not read my remarks on early submarines using sails on the surface?

Are you still confused about why we want to have nuclear subs instead of wind powered subs, when we get so much of our electricity from wind?

Not confused at all.
HMAS Stirling is approximately 58 kilometres from Perth, there have been a number of visits by steam powered submarines equipped with nuclear reactors, so give me one good reason why similar reactors can’t be considered safe for use on land?
If one of the floating reactors goes critical and busts, 58 kilometres ain't much of a safety distance, especially if a sea breeze is blowing.

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Re: One Nation Would Lift The Ban On Nuclear Power
Reply #138 - Oct 23^rd, 2026 at 9:56pm

On so-called Nuclear powered submarines

From Google:

‘’ Yes, technically nuclear submarines are incredibly advanced steamships.
Underneath the high-tech sonar, stealth coatings, and guided missiles, a nuclear submarine uses the exact same core concept as a 19th-century paddle wheeler: expanding steam spins a turbine to push the ship forward.
The fundamental difference lies entirely in how the heat is generated to make that steam:
• Traditional Steamships: Burned wood, coal, or oil in a furnace. This required a constant intake of air (oxygen) and produced massive amounts of exhaust smoke and ash.
• Nuclear Submarines: Split atoms in a reactor core. This requires zero oxygen, produces no exhaust, and fits a lifetime of fuel into a space the size of a kitchen refrigerator.
So while a nuclear submarine is absolutely a steam-powered vessel, it replaces the smokestacks and coal shovels with a clean, closed-loop atomic furnace, making it the most powerful and enduring type of steamship ever built’’

Now stop being misled by all the hype, there is no such a thing as a nuclear powered ship, power station, whatever on the face of the earth.

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Re: One Nation Would Lift The Ban On Nuclear Power
Reply #139 - Oct 24^th, 2026 at 7:30am

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2026 at 9:44pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2026 at 9:24pm:

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Have you not read my remarks on early submarines using sails on the surface?

Are you still confused about why we want to have nuclear subs instead of wind powered subs, when we get so much of our electricity from wind?

Not confused at all.
HMAS Stirling is approximately 58 kilometres from Perth, there have been a number of visits by steam powered submarines equipped with nuclear reactors, so give me one good reason why similar reactors can’t be considered safe for use on land?
If one of the floating reactors goes critical and busts, 58 kilometres ain't much of a safety distance, especially if a sea breeze is blowing.

Why are you asking me whether they are safe, when you cannot even get over the first hurdle of whether they are cheaper? Are you on some kind of mission from God to build a nuclear power plant? We aren't going to waste billions of dollars just because it is possible to waste billions of dollars. That's why the Liberals got trounced at the last election. All that One Nation will do with their policy is capture some of the rusted on moron vote from the Libs. Which is great if your end game is to destroy the Liberal party and hand government to Labor for the next generation or two.

It seems to me you have just replaced one stupid question with another. First you asked what the difference was between buying a nuclear sub vs a nuclear power plant. Now you are attempting to ask the same question and demanding we confine our answer to the safety aspects. It is still a stupid question.

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Re: One Nation Would Lift The Ban On Nuclear Power
Reply #140 - Oct 24^th, 2026 at 12:04pm

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2026 at 6:56pm:

Gnads wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2026 at 5:55pm:

[quote author=stillcrook link=1791072281/1#1 date=1791072452]We don't want nuclear power in Australia.

But we are going to get it courtesy of the Federal Government via the nuclear reactors in the coming steam powered submarines, which will be berthed in our cities.

That's not my quote.

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Re: One Nation Would Lift The Ban On Nuclear Power
Reply #141 - Oct 24^th, 2026 at 12:29pm

freediver wrote on Oct 24^th, 2026 at 7:30am:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2026 at 9:44pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2026 at 9:24pm:

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Have you not read my remarks on early submarines using sails on the surface?

Are you still confused about why we want to have nuclear subs instead of wind powered subs, when we get so much of our electricity from wind?

Not confused at all.
HMAS Stirling is approximately 58 kilometres from Perth, there have been a number of visits by steam powered submarines equipped with nuclear reactors, so give me one good reason why similar reactors can’t be considered safe for use on land?
If one of the floating reactors goes critical and busts, 58 kilometres ain't much of a safety distance, especially if a sea breeze is blowing.

Why are you asking me whether they are safe, when you cannot even get over the first hurdle of whether they are cheaper? Are you on some kind of mission from God to build a nuclear power plant? We aren't going to waste billions of dollars just because it is possible to waste billions of dollars. That's why the Liberals got trounced at the last election. All that One Nation will do with their policy is capture some of the rusted on moron vote from the Libs. Which is great if your end game is to destroy the Liberal party and hand government to Labor for the next generation or two.

It seems to me you have just replaced one stupid question with another. First you asked what the difference was between buying a nuclear sub vs a nuclear power plant. Now you are attempting to ask the same question and demanding we confine our answer to the safety aspects. It is still a stupid question.

Frankly I couldn’t care less about having civilian nuclear reactors boiling the water for steam power stations, my point is that those opposed to such power stations seem to have no objection to similar plants floating in their harbours within a few miles of the CBD.
Which smacks of pure hypocrisy.

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Re: One Nation Would Lift The Ban On Nuclear Power
Reply #142 - Oct 24^th, 2026 at 12:30pm

Gnads wrote on Oct 24^th, 2026 at 12:04pm:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2026 at 6:56pm:

Gnads wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2026 at 5:55pm:

[quote author=stillcrook link=1791072281/1#1 date=1791072452]We don't want nuclear power in Australia.

But we are going to get it courtesy of the Federal Government via the nuclear reactors in the coming steam powered submarines, which will be berthed in our cities.

That's not my quote.

No, it’s a quote that you quoted.

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Re: One Nation Would Lift The Ban On Nuclear Power
Reply #143 - Oct 24^th, 2026 at 1:15pm

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Oct 24^th, 2026 at 12:29pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 24^th, 2026 at 7:30am:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2026 at 9:44pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2026 at 9:24pm:

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Have you not read my remarks on early submarines using sails on the surface?

Are you still confused about why we want to have nuclear subs instead of wind powered subs, when we get so much of our electricity from wind?

Not confused at all.
HMAS Stirling is approximately 58 kilometres from Perth, there have been a number of visits by steam powered submarines equipped with nuclear reactors, so give me one good reason why similar reactors can’t be considered safe for use on land?
If one of the floating reactors goes critical and busts, 58 kilometres ain't much of a safety distance, especially if a sea breeze is blowing.

Why are you asking me whether they are safe, when you cannot even get over the first hurdle of whether they are cheaper? Are you on some kind of mission from God to build a nuclear power plant? We aren't going to waste billions of dollars just because it is possible to waste billions of dollars. That's why the Liberals got trounced at the last election. All that One Nation will do with their policy is capture some of the rusted on moron vote from the Libs. Which is great if your end game is to destroy the Liberal party and hand government to Labor for the next generation or two.

It seems to me you have just replaced one stupid question with another. First you asked what the difference was between buying a nuclear sub vs a nuclear power plant. Now you are attempting to ask the same question and demanding we confine our answer to the safety aspects. It is still a stupid question.

Frankly I couldn’t care less about having civilian nuclear reactors boiling the water for steam power stations, my point is that those opposed to such power stations seem to have no objection to similar plants floating in their harbours within a few miles of the CBD.
Which smacks of pure hypocrisy.

It smacks of complete lack of understanding on your part. And an unwillingness to read the discussion. I oppose nuclear because it is the most expensive option. 25 years ago I was actively promoting it, but the cost comparison has reversed since then.

Obviously the same logic does not apply to submarines, which has also been pointed out to you. But all you can see is the hypocrisy you like to imagine, not the reality. You cannot win the actual argument, so you invent an absurd one and diligently stick to having it with yourself. Which smacks of some kind of rusted-on ideological commitment.

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Re: One Nation Would Lift The Ban On Nuclear Power
Reply #144 - Oct 24^th, 2026 at 4:06pm

freediver wrote on Oct 24^th, 2026 at 1:15pm:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Oct 24^th, 2026 at 12:29pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 24^th, 2026 at 7:30am:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2026 at 9:44pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2026 at 9:24pm:

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Have you not read my remarks on early submarines using sails on the surface?

Are you still confused about why we want to have nuclear subs instead of wind powered subs, when we get so much of our electricity from wind?

Not confused at all.
HMAS Stirling is approximately 58 kilometres from Perth, there have been a number of visits by steam powered submarines equipped with nuclear reactors, so give me one good reason why similar reactors can’t be considered safe for use on land?
If one of the floating reactors goes critical and busts, 58 kilometres ain't much of a safety distance, especially if a sea breeze is blowing.

Why are you asking me whether they are safe, when you cannot even get over the first hurdle of whether they are cheaper? Are you on some kind of mission from God to build a nuclear power plant? We aren't going to waste billions of dollars just because it is possible to waste billions of dollars. That's why the Liberals got trounced at the last election. All that One Nation will do with their policy is capture some of the rusted on moron vote from the Libs. Which is great if your end game is to destroy the Liberal party and hand government to Labor for the next generation or two.

It seems to me you have just replaced one stupid question with another. First you asked what the difference was between buying a nuclear sub vs a nuclear power plant. Now you are attempting to ask the same question and demanding we confine our answer to the safety aspects. It is still a stupid question.

Frankly I couldn’t care less about having civilian nuclear reactors boiling the water for steam power stations, my point is that those opposed to such power stations seem to have no objection to similar plants floating in their harbours within a few miles of the CBD.
Which smacks of pure hypocrisy.

It smacks of complete lack of understanding on your part. And an unwillingness to read the discussion. I oppose nuclear because it is the most expensive option. 25 years ago I was actively promoting it, but the cost comparison has reversed since then.

Obviously the same logic does not apply to submarines, which has also been pointed out to you. But all you can see is the hypocrisy you like to imagine, not the reality. You cannot win the actual argument, so you invent an absurd one and diligently stick to having it with yourself. Which smacks of some kind of rusted-on ideological commitment.

Obviously your understanding of the use of rhetorical questions is sadly lacking.
The main objection to nuclear reactors has been safety not cost, the hypocrisy is in objecting to them being on land far from the cities but accepting them a few miles from the city centres when they are in a submarine or in a surface ship.

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Re: One Nation Would Lift The Ban On Nuclear Power
Reply #145 - Oct 24^th, 2026 at 5:33pm

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The main objection to nuclear reactors has been safety not cost

That's because nuclear "has been" cheaper than renewables. Not any more. So safety is irrelevant. We won't be building them, no matter how safe they are.

This has all been explained to you countless times. You are stuck in the same debate you had 20 years ago. All by yourself. Asking stupid questions. Like why don't we have solar and wind power submarines if we have solar and wind powered TV sets. When has that question ever been relevant? Was it just an excuse for you to bloviate about wallrusses and sailboats?

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Re: One Nation Would Lift The Ban On Nuclear Power
Reply #146 - Oct 24^th, 2026 at 7:38pm

freediver wrote on Oct 24^th, 2026 at 5:33pm:

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The main objection to nuclear reactors has been safety not cost

That's because nuclear "has been" cheaper than renewables. Not any more. So safety is irrelevant. We won't be building them, no matter how safe they are.

This has all been explained to you countless times. You are stuck in the same debate you had 20 years ago. All by yourself. Asking stupid questions. Like why don't we have solar and wind power submarines if we have solar and wind powered TV sets. When has that question ever been relevant? Was it just an excuse for you to bloviate about wallrusses and sailboats?

So safety is irrelevant, glad you think so.
The rest of your incomprehensible raving I will charitably ignore.
We may not ever build them?
We are committed to having them regardless of who are the builders.

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Re: One Nation Would Lift The Ban On Nuclear Power
Reply #148 - Oct 25^th, 2026 at 12:44pm

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Oct 24^th, 2026 at 7:38pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 24^th, 2026 at 5:33pm:

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The main objection to nuclear reactors has been safety not cost

That's because nuclear "has been" cheaper than renewables. Not any more. So safety is irrelevant. We won't be building them, no matter how safe they are.

This has all been explained to you countless times. You are stuck in the same debate you had 20 years ago. All by yourself. Asking stupid questions. Like why don't we have solar and wind power submarines if we have solar and wind powered TV sets. When has that question ever been relevant? Was it just an excuse for you to bloviate about wallrusses and sailboats?

So safety is irrelevant, glad you think so.
The rest of your incomprehensible raving I will charitably ignore.

If we aren't going to build them because they cost too much, why are you bloviating about safety? Are you actually incapable of comprehending the point, or do you merely not want to acknowledge reality?

Why are you bloviating about solar powered submarines?

Why are you bloviating about walrusses?

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Re: One Nation Would Lift The Ban On Nuclear Power
Reply #149 - Oct 25^th, 2026 at 12:50pm

freediver wrote on Oct 25^th, 2026 at 12:44pm:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Oct 24^th, 2026 at 7:38pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 24^th, 2026 at 5:33pm:

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The main objection to nuclear reactors has been safety not cost

That's because nuclear "has been" cheaper than renewables. Not any more. So safety is irrelevant. We won't be building them, no matter how safe they are.

This has all been explained to you countless times. You are stuck in the same debate you had 20 years ago. All by yourself. Asking stupid questions. Like why don't we have solar and wind power submarines if we have solar and wind powered TV sets. When has that question ever been relevant? Was it just an excuse for you to bloviate about wallrusses and sailboats?

So safety is irrelevant, glad you think so.
The rest of your incomprehensible raving I will charitably ignore.

If we aren't going to build them because they cost too much, why are you bloviating about safety? Are you actually incapable of comprehending the point, or do you merely not want to acknowledge reality?

Why are you bloviating about solar powered submarines?

Why are you bloviating about walrusses?

Did the nurse drop you on your head when you were born, or is your lack of language comprehension caused by a later accident?

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