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Gnads Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 34318 Gender:	Re: One Nation Would Lift The Ban On Nuclear Power Reply #120 - Oct 23^rd, 2026 at 6:23pm Dnarever wrote on Oct 12^th, 2026 at 8:13pm: All this science talk and what ever but it completely ignores the fact that ON couldnt lift a ban on a can of baked beans. If they were in Govt they certainly can. That's what happens Duckwit.
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Re: One Nation Would Lift The Ban On Nuclear Power
Reply #121 - Oct 23^rd, 2026 at 6:24pm

Gnads wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2026 at 6:13pm:

@ Freediver -

How's your cliff climbing 2 tonne walruses going?

Freediver gets the evidence of his claims refuted in front of his face - i.e. costs of renewables v nuclear , shown his info(google) isn't correct & it even apologised to Lee for it's misinformation or lacking information ...

and you still refute it .... like a rabid Greenie?

Are you a rabid greenie enviromentalist? .... what?

I don't own any walrusses Gnads. It seems you are struggling just as much as Lee to remain relevant.

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Re: One Nation Would Lift The Ban On Nuclear Power
Reply #122 - Oct 23^rd, 2026 at 6:24pm

Bobby. wrote on Oct 13^th, 2026 at 1:14pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 13^th, 2026 at 12:58pm:

Do you actually think nuclear is cheaper than renewables, or were you just bloviating for no point?

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bloviate

To bloviate means to talk or write at a long, tedious length in a pompous,
boastful, or self-important way, usually without saying anything of real substance.

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That's exactly what Freediver does.

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Re: One Nation Would Lift The Ban On Nuclear Power
Reply #123 - Oct 23^rd, 2026 at 6:27pm

Bobby. wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2026 at 3:49pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2026 at 2:45pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2026 at 1:07pm:

How much does it cost to safely store nuclear waste until it is no longer dangerous?

After the infrastrucure is built (eg Finland and Sweden), storage costs would be minimal; as for "until it is no longer dangerous" - that's your trick conflation of mere safe storage versus future research into treatment of nuclear waste rendering it safe.

Nuclear waste takes too long to decay.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radioactive_waste

Some common nuclear waste half lives:

Plutonium 239 half life    24,110 years.
Americium 241 half life       432 years
Radium 226    Half life    1,600 years
Uranium 236 Half life 15 million years.
Plutonium 244 Half life 80 million years
Uranium 235 Half life 704 million years
Uranium 238 half life    4.5 billion years

Yu know shyte.

You realise all those elements are naturally in the earths crust?

You have no idea.

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Gnads Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 34318 Gender:	Re: One Nation Would Lift The Ban On Nuclear Power Reply #124 - Oct 23^rd, 2026 at 6:28pm lee wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2026 at 5:24pm: freediver wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2026 at 5:18pm: This is like saying that something is cheap if you get it for free or ignore the cost. You mean like sunlight or wind? Touche
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Re: One Nation Would Lift The Ban On Nuclear Power
Reply #125 - Oct 23^rd, 2026 at 6:31pm

Gnads wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2026 at 6:24pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 13^th, 2026 at 1:14pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 13^th, 2026 at 12:58pm:

Do you actually think nuclear is cheaper than renewables, or were you just bloviating for no point?

Google AI:

bloviate

To bloviate means to talk or write at a long, tedious length in a pompous,
boastful, or self-important way, usually without saying anything of real substance.

Grin

That's exactly what Freediver does.

What about you Gnads, do you think nuclear is cheaper than renewables?

Or do you only want to bloviate about walrusses?

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Re: One Nation Would Lift The Ban On Nuclear Power
Reply #126 - Oct 23^rd, 2026 at 6:32pm

freediver wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2026 at 6:24pm:

Gnads wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2026 at 6:13pm:

@ Freediver -

How's your cliff climbing 2 tonne walruses going?

Freediver gets the evidence of his claims refuted in front of his face - i.e. costs of renewables v nuclear , shown his info(google) isn't correct & it even apologised to Lee for it's misinformation or lacking information ...

and you still refute it .... like a rabid Greenie?

Are you a rabid greenie enviromentalist? .... what?

I don't own any walrusses Gnads. It seems you are struggling just as much as Lee to remain relevant.

I didn't say you owned any you smartarse.

As for relevance - you're fooling yourself you or you argument have any. Roll Eyes

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Re: One Nation Would Lift The Ban On Nuclear Power
Reply #127 - Oct 23^rd, 2026 at 6:38pm

freediver wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2026 at 6:31pm:

Gnads wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2026 at 6:24pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 13^th, 2026 at 1:14pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 13^th, 2026 at 12:58pm:

Do you actually think nuclear is cheaper than renewables, or were you just bloviating for no point?

Google AI:

bloviate

To bloviate means to talk or write at a long, tedious length in a pompous,
boastful, or self-important way, usually without saying anything of real substance.

Grin

That's exactly what Freediver does.

What about you Gnads, do you think nuclear is cheaper than renewables?

Or do you only want to bloviate about walrusses?

You've massively failed to prove renewables are cheaper than nuclear.

Long term cost wise & reliability wise.

You're a typical example of "Figures lie & liars figure".

In fact I'd go close to saying that when it comes to your ideology/belief around this issue ...

you couldn't lie straight in bed.

Does that clarify any bloviation you may think you're encountering?

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Re: One Nation Would Lift The Ban On Nuclear Power
Reply #128 - Oct 23^rd, 2026 at 6:40pm

freediver wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2026 at 11:42am:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2026 at 11:05am:

freediver wrote on Oct 19^th, 2026 at 8:31am:

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Australia is already committed to “Nuclear Power’’ with our proposed steam submarines; what is the difference between a steam submarine producing its steam power with heat from a nuclear reactor and a steam powered electric generator using heat from a nuclear reactor a few kilometres from the sub base but on dry land?

Are we building those submarines in Australia?

No, they are USA built, but that’s irrelevant because they along with their reactors will be in Australian ports.

It is relevant, according to you. If not, why did you ask us for the difference between a nuclear sub and a nuclear power plant? Do you think being able to simply place an order for one, vs having to actually build it in Australia, makes no difference to cost, delivery time, safety etc, especially considering we have no established nuclear industry here?

Another key difference you seem oblivious to: you cannot make a rational decision on whether to build a nuclear power plant without considering alternatives like wind and solar (unless, perhaps, you are a member of the Liberal party or One Nation). Have you ever heard of a wind or solar powered submarine?

Do you think your question may have been a little bit silly, and yet consistent with the attitude of Liberal and One Nation voters?

The relevant thing is that nuclear reactors will be situated in the ports of our major cities and who is talking about rationality?
Certainly not the proponents of the proposed steam submarines.
If a nuclear power plant cannot be located on land 400 miles from a city why can one located on water be but a few miles from a CBD?

Nearly forgot, early submarines were wind powered on the surface if the wind was right.

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21794 Gender:	Re: One Nation Would Lift The Ban On Nuclear Power Reply #129 - Oct 23^rd, 2026 at 6:46pm freediver wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2026 at 6:24pm: I don't own any walrusses Gnads. Ah the ghost of Attenborough past.
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Re: One Nation Would Lift The Ban On Nuclear Power
Reply #130 - Oct 23^rd, 2026 at 6:56pm

Gnads wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2026 at 5:55pm:

[quote author=stillcrook link=1791072281/1#1 date=1791072452]We don't want nuclear power in Australia.

But we are going to get it courtesy of the Federal Government via the nuclear reactors in the coming steam powered submarines, which will be berthed in our cities.

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Re: One Nation Would Lift The Ban On Nuclear Power
Reply #131 - Oct 23^rd, 2026 at 7:03pm

Gnads wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2026 at 6:16pm:

Dnarever wrote on Oct 10^th, 2026 at 9:10pm:

lee wrote on Oct 10^th, 2026 at 8:36pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 10^th, 2026 at 8:28pm:

But it still says that renewables are cheaper than nuclear. For example from your own quote:

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Studies using these metrics show that while a grid with mostly renewables (e.g., 80-90%) is highly cost-effective.

Why didn't you complete what it said?lee wrote on Oct 10^th, 2026 at 8:16pm:

pushing for a 100% weather-dependent grid causes system costs to skyrocket exponentially.

Or do you only want four hours of battery?freediver wrote on Oct 10^th, 2026 at 8:28pm:

Why does the remaining 10-20% even need to be nuclear? Why not gas or hydro? And even if 10 to 20% is nuclear, that is still not saying that nuclear is cheaper.

The fact that in only covers 80-90% shows that it isn't viable, even on average. AT ALL. Cool

Just go nuclear. No need for intermittent, weather dependant power at all.

What happens under a Dunkelflaute? Freeze in the dark?

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The fact that in only covers 80-90% shows that it isn't viable, even on average

All the plans are for some sort of mix even with nuclear. Your logic here would mean that nothing is viable. 80 - 90% is really good I doubt what ever is used will meet that standard.
If we can reduce the dirty fuels by 90% I would think it would be a good result.

No it's not dickhead - nuclear power generation is illegal in Australia.

It will not be illegal once we get our first nuclear steam generator in our first steam powered submarine.

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Re: One Nation Would Lift The Ban On Nuclear Power
Reply #132 - Oct 23^rd, 2026 at 7:13pm

Gnads wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2026 at 6:27pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2026 at 3:49pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2026 at 2:45pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2026 at 1:07pm:

How much does it cost to safely store nuclear waste until it is no longer dangerous?

After the infrastrucure is built (eg Finland and Sweden), storage costs would be minimal; as for "until it is no longer dangerous" - that's your trick conflation of mere safe storage versus future research into treatment of nuclear waste rendering it safe.

Nuclear waste takes too long to decay.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radioactive_waste

Some common nuclear waste half lives:

Plutonium 239 half life    24,110 years.
Americium 241 half life       432 years
Radium 226    Half life    1,600 years
Uranium 236 Half life 15 million years.
Plutonium 244 Half life 80 million years
Uranium 235 Half life 704 million years
Uranium 238 half life    4.5 billion years

Yu know shyte.

You realise all those elements are naturally in the earths crust?

You have no idea.

You idiot -
show me where Plutonium 239 - half life 24,110 years is naturally?

It is created in ordinary nuclear reactors. Roll Eyes

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Re: One Nation Would Lift The Ban On Nuclear Power
Reply #133 - Oct 23^rd, 2026 at 8:13pm

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2026 at 6:40pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2026 at 11:42am:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2026 at 11:05am:

freediver wrote on Oct 19^th, 2026 at 8:31am:

Quote:

Australia is already committed to “Nuclear Power’’ with our proposed steam submarines; what is the difference between a steam submarine producing its steam power with heat from a nuclear reactor and a steam powered electric generator using heat from a nuclear reactor a few kilometres from the sub base but on dry land?

Are we building those submarines in Australia?

No, they are USA built, but that’s irrelevant because they along with their reactors will be in Australian ports.

It is relevant, according to you. If not, why did you ask us for the difference between a nuclear sub and a nuclear power plant? Do you think being able to simply place an order for one, vs having to actually build it in Australia, makes no difference to cost, delivery time, safety etc, especially considering we have no established nuclear industry here?

Another key difference you seem oblivious to: you cannot make a rational decision on whether to build a nuclear power plant without considering alternatives like wind and solar (unless, perhaps, you are a member of the Liberal party or One Nation). Have you ever heard of a wind or solar powered submarine?

Do you think your question may have been a little bit silly, and yet consistent with the attitude of Liberal and One Nation voters?

The relevant thing is that nuclear reactors will be situated in the ports of our major cities and who is talking about rationality?
Certainly not the proponents of the proposed steam submarines.
If a nuclear power plant cannot be located on land 400 miles from a city why can one located on water be but a few miles from a CBD?

Nearly forgot, early submarines were wind powered on the surface if the wind was right.

Perhaps you didn't notice, but the main criticism of nuclear is that it is too expensive.

That is why. No need for the bloviating.

Have you figured out yet why subs can't run on wind or solar? Or do you still need us to explain the difference for you?

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Setanta Gold Member Offline \/ Peace man! Posts: 17767 Northern NSW Gender:	Re: One Nation Would Lift The Ban On Nuclear Power Reply #134 - Oct 23^rd, 2026 at 8:29pm freediver wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2026 at 8:13pm: Perhaps you didn't notice, but the main criticism of nuclear is that it is too expensive. Cost over value is something the Liberal Govts have always done. Know the cost of everything, the value of nothing.
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