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Reply #225 - Apr 27^th, 2026 at 3:00pm

tallowood wrote on Apr 27^th, 2026 at 2:48pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 27^th, 2026 at 2:02pm:

tallowood wrote on Apr 27^th, 2026 at 12:50pm:

"Next Year in Jerusalem" - timeless expression of Jewish identity.

[]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIobl8Hltmw[]

Yes... A lament that became a tradition in the 12th to 15th centuries, hundreds of years after the destruction of Jerusalem... and after hundreds of years of European pogroms, murder and persecutions of Jews.

It was used as an oral expression before appearing in written form in a 10th-century poem by rabbi Joseph ibn Abitur.

Yep, well... it further highlights the almost irreconcilable complexity of the Jewish-Arab conflict... Driven by:

Arabs claims from religious tradition

Jewish claims from religious tradition

Arabs claims by historical fact

Jewish claims by historical fact.

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Reply #226 - Apr 28^th, 2026 at 7:24am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 27^th, 2026 at 10:45am:

The argument most used is that Jews have maintained a traditional and religious connection to the land... and that this connection is crucial to their religious and cultural identity... although Orthodox Jews deny this without-which-not connection.

Many of their Rabbis, ancient and modern, have instructed their followers that it was an act of god that drove them from the land, and only an act of god can reverse it.

More to the point, the Orthodox claim that to force a land claim by violence is to act against the will of god, which will necessarily result in gross injustice, including the murder of innocents.

However, I'm sure revisionist and Likudite Zionists would (or at least could) argue that it was (divinely sanctioned by religious tradition) violence that established the ancient Israelites in the land in the first place.

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Reply #227 - Apr 28^th, 2026 at 10:34am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 27^th, 2026 at 3:00pm:

tallowood wrote on Apr 27^th, 2026 at 2:48pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 27^th, 2026 at 2:02pm:

tallowood wrote on Apr 27^th, 2026 at 12:50pm:

"Next Year in Jerusalem" - timeless expression of Jewish identity.

[]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIobl8Hltmw[]

Yes... A lament that became a tradition in the 12th to 15th centuries, hundreds of years after the destruction of Jerusalem... and after hundreds of years of European pogroms, murder and persecutions of Jews.

It was used as an oral expression before appearing in written form in a 10th-century poem by rabbi Joseph ibn Abitur.

Yep, well... it further highlights the almost irreconcilable complexity of the Jewish-Arab conflict... Driven by:
Arabs claims from religious tradition
Jewish claims from religious tradition
Arabs claims by historical fact
Jewish claims by historical fact.

Arabs have Arabia and Yemen and Egypt and Syria and Iraq and Jordan, etc.

Jews have Israel, Judea and Samaria.

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Reply #229 - Apr 28^th, 2026 at 12:06pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 12:03pm:

tallowood wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 10:34am:

Arabs have Arabia and Yemen and Egypt and Syria and Iraq and Jordan, etc.

I guess you're soon going to tell me the Chinese have China... and nevermind the Inner Mongolians, Tibetans, Uyghurs...

Keep guessing because it is all you can do for your lack o historical knowledge Wink

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Reply #230 - Apr 28^th, 2026 at 12:08pm

tallowood wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 12:06pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 12:03pm:

tallowood wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 10:34am:

Arabs have Arabia and Yemen and Egypt and Syria and Iraq and Jordan, etc.

I guess you're soon going to tell me the Chinese have China... and nevermind the Inner Mongolians, Tibetans, Uyghurs...

Keep guessing because it is all you can do for your lack o historical knowledge Wink

So, you don't accept that Inner Mongolians, Tibetans, Uyghurs have a justifiable nationalist cause, then!

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Reply #231 - Apr 28^th, 2026 at 12:14pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 12:08pm:

tallowood wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 12:06pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 12:03pm:

tallowood wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 10:34am:

Arabs have Arabia and Yemen and Egypt and Syria and Iraq and Jordan, etc.

I guess you're soon going to tell me the Chinese have China... and nevermind the Inner Mongolians, Tibetans, Uyghurs...

Keep guessing because it is all you can do for your lack o historical knowledge Wink

So, you don't accept that Inner Mongolians, Tibetans, Uyghurs have a justifiable nationalist cause, then!

I accept that Arabs have no rights to lands of Jews but they do have right to Arabia. Do you?

Roll Eyes

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Reply #232 - Apr 28^th, 2026 at 12:20pm

tallowood wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 12:14pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 12:08pm:

tallowood wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 12:06pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 12:03pm:

tallowood wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 10:34am:

Arabs have Arabia and Yemen and Egypt and Syria and Iraq and Jordan, etc.

I guess you're soon going to tell me the Chinese have China... and nevermind the Inner Mongolians, Tibetans, Uyghurs...

Keep guessing because it is all you can do for your lack o historical knowledge Wink

So, you don't accept that Inner Mongolians, Tibetans, Uyghurs have a justifiable nationalist cause, then!

I accept that Arabs have no rights to lands of Jews but they do have right to Arabia. Do you?

Roll Eyes

Who are the Arabians? Where is Arabia?

Who are the Chinese? If on safe ground, I asked Tibetans, Inner Mongolians or Uyghurs, 'Where is China?', what would they say?

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Reply #233 - Apr 28^th, 2026 at 12:27pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 12:20pm:

tallowood wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 12:14pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 12:08pm:

tallowood wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 12:06pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 12:03pm:

tallowood wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 10:34am:

Arabs have Arabia and Yemen and Egypt and Syria and Iraq and Jordan, etc.

I guess you're soon going to tell me the Chinese have China... and nevermind the Inner Mongolians, Tibetans, Uyghurs...

Keep guessing because it is all you can do for your lack o historical knowledge Wink

So, you don't accept that Inner Mongolians, Tibetans, Uyghurs have a justifiable nationalist cause, then!

I accept that Arabs have no rights to lands of Jews but they do have right to Arabia. Do you?

Roll Eyes

Who are the Arabians? Where is Arabia?

Who are the Chinese? If on safe ground, I asked Tibetans, Inner Mongolians or Uyghurs, 'Where is China?', what would they say?

Shame on you for for not knowing these elementary things Roll Eyes

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Re: al-Aqsa Mosque
Reply #234 - Apr 28^th, 2026 at 12:31pm

tallowood wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 12:27pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 12:20pm:

tallowood wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 12:14pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 12:08pm:

tallowood wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 12:06pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 12:03pm:

tallowood wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 10:34am:

Arabs have Arabia and Yemen and Egypt and Syria and Iraq and Jordan, etc.

I guess you're soon going to tell me the Chinese have China... and nevermind the Inner Mongolians, Tibetans, Uyghurs...

Keep guessing because it is all you can do for your lack o historical knowledge Wink

So, you don't accept that Inner Mongolians, Tibetans, Uyghurs have a justifiable nationalist cause, then!

I accept that Arabs have no rights to lands of Jews but they do have right to Arabia. Do you?

Roll Eyes

Who are the Arabians? Where is Arabia?

Who are the Chinese? If on safe ground, I asked Tibetans, Inner Mongolians or Uyghurs, 'Where is China?', what would they say?

Shame on you for for not knowing these elementary things Roll Eyes

It's OK... I guessed it wouldn't be wise for you to answer those questions.

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Re: al-Aqsa Mosque
Reply #235 - Apr 28^th, 2026 at 12:33pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 12:31pm: