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Vance: agent has “absolute immunity”
Jan 9^th, 2026 at 9:53am

This is extremely troubling to hear from Vance. He thinks - and it’s worth pointing out he is dead wrong - that the agent who shot that woman has “absolute immunity”. That’s utter rubbish because if it were true, it would mean ICE agents could kill anyone for any reason and claim “absolute immunity” and never face consequences.

https://www.9news.com.au/world/minneapolis-ice-shooting-fbi-won-co-operate-with-...

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Re: Vance: agent has “absolute immunity”
Reply #1 - Jan 9^th, 2026 at 10:03am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 9^th, 2026 at 9:53am:

This is extremely troubling to hear from Vance. He thinks - and it’s worth pointing out he is dead wrong - that the agent who shot that woman has “absolute immunity”. That’s utter rubbish because if it were true, it would mean ICE agents could kill anyone for any reason and claim “absolute immunity” and never face consequences.

https://www.9news.com.au/world/minneapolis-ice-shooting-fbi-won-co-operate-with-...

From the context of that article i think the immunity is from STATE prosecution as ghe officer was carrying out federal law enforcement.

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Reply #2 - Jan 9^th, 2026 at 10:04am

Just to be clear, the statement by Vance that the agent has “absolute immunity” is patently ridiculous and completely untrue. No law enforcement official anywhere in the United States has “absolute immunity”. None. All law enforcement officials are required to adhere to the law and the Constitution, from small town cops to FBI agents. Absolute immunity isn’t even a real thing!

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Reply #3 - Jan 9^th, 2026 at 10:05am

Frank wrote on Jan 9^th, 2026 at 10:03am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 9^th, 2026 at 9:53am:

This is extremely troubling to hear from Vance. He thinks - and it’s worth pointing out he is dead wrong - that the agent who shot that woman has “absolute immunity”. That’s utter rubbish because if it were true, it would mean ICE agents could kill anyone for any reason and claim “absolute immunity” and never face consequences.

https://www.9news.com.au/world/minneapolis-ice-shooting-fbi-won-co-operate-with-...

From the context of that article i think the immunity is from STATE prosecution as ghe officer was carrying out federal law enforcement.

He never said immunity from state prosecution. He specifically said “absolute immunity”, which infers that the agent is immune from federal law as well as state and local law. That simply is not true at all.

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Reply #4 - Jan 9^th, 2026 at 10:09am

From that site: 'Mobile phone footage appears to show the agent was already out of the path of the Honda when the shots were fired'.

Vance says he has Federal immunity. Trump sends them in and they can kill on the spot.

So the cop was injured previously. Does that mean the law changes to suit him and his revenge?

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Reply #5 - Jan 9^th, 2026 at 10:17am

chimera wrote on Jan 9^th, 2026 at 10:09am:

From that site: 'Mobile phone footage appears to show the agent was already out of the path of the Honda when the shots were fired'.

Vance says he has Federal immunity. Trump sends them in and they can kill on the spot.

So the cop was injured previously. Does that mean the law changes to suit him and his revenge?

No, I saw what Vance said and he said “absolute immunity”. Such a term means they would have effectively be above the law. It just simply is not true. Having said that, even if Kash Patel and his FBI did choose to indict the ICE agent (which we all know will never happen), I’d bet my last dollar that Trump would pre-emptively pardon him anyway.

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chimera Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 14198 Armidale Gender:	Re: Vance: agent has “absolute immunity” Reply #6 - Jan 9^th, 2026 at 10:45am I was agreeing with you. Vance says he has immunity which means both from State and Fed. as 'absolute'. Trump has given the court decision which shows how far he will go to destroy what makes US a civilised country.
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Reply #7 - Jan 9^th, 2026 at 10:57am

“The idea that a federal agent has absolute immunity for crimes they commit on the job is absolutely ridiculous,” said Michael J.Z. Mannheimer, a constitutional law expert at Northern Kentucky University’s Salmon P. Chase College of Law.

Mannheimer said that more than 120 years of case law on the issue of so-called supremacy clause immunity has shown that federal officials can be criminally pursued by state prosecutors for conduct taken in the course of their official duties but that it’s up to courts to ultimately determine whether they can be shielded from the charges.

“Officers are not entitled to absolute immunity as a matter of law,” said Timothy Sini, a former federal prosecutor in New York.

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"It’s also possible that Good’s family could file a civil lawsuit against the agent who shot her, bringing a wrongful death claim that seeks monetary damages."

I hope they get the murdering bastard, one way or another.

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Reply #8 - Jan 9^th, 2026 at 11:38am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 9^th, 2026 at 10:05am:

Frank wrote on Jan 9^th, 2026 at 10:03am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 9^th, 2026 at 9:53am:

This is extremely troubling to hear from Vance. He thinks - and it’s worth pointing out he is dead wrong - that the agent who shot that woman has “absolute immunity”. That’s utter rubbish because if it were true, it would mean ICE agents could kill anyone for any reason and claim “absolute immunity” and never face consequences.

https://www.9news.com.au/world/minneapolis-ice-shooting-fbi-won-co-operate-with-...

From the context of that article i think the immunity is from STATE prosecution as ghe officer was carrying out federal law enforcement.

He never said immunity from state prosecution. He specifically said “absolute immunity”, which infers that the agent is immune from federal law as well as state and local law. That simply is not true at all.

But of course. So cute to see the old boy playing word games with his much loved rule of law.

This is where the state and the feds fight over who gets the body. If the feds get him, DL will order Pam to dismiss all charges.

DL would have no qualms about this whatsoever. He's just pardoned and released a 400 ton drug trafficker who'd confessed in text messages to "shovelling drugs up the noses of the gringos".

DL's response to this shooting says it all. Before any facts became available, he immediately came out to lie, giving his followers the excuse they need.

His Vice Prez followed up to announce ICE agents have full immunity from prosecution.

And down here in Oz, we have cult worshippers pedalling as fast as they can, denying, defending and excusing a cold-blooded murder.

Oh brave new world with such wondrous things in it, no?

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Reply #9 - Jan 9^th, 2026 at 11:43am

Karnal wrote on Jan 9^th, 2026 at 11:38am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 9^th, 2026 at 10:05am:

Frank wrote on Jan 9^th, 2026 at 10:03am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 9^th, 2026 at 9:53am:

This is extremely troubling to hear from Vance. He thinks - and it’s worth pointing out he is dead wrong - that the agent who shot that woman has “absolute immunity”. That’s utter rubbish because if it were true, it would mean ICE agents could kill anyone for any reason and claim “absolute immunity” and never face consequences.

https://www.9news.com.au/world/minneapolis-ice-shooting-fbi-won-co-operate-with-...

From the context of that article i think the immunity is from STATE prosecution as ghe officer was carrying out federal law enforcement.

He never said immunity from state prosecution. He specifically said “absolute immunity”, which infers that the agent is immune from federal law as well as state and local law. That simply is not true at all.

But of course. So cute to see the old boy playing word games with his much loved rule of law.

This is where the state and the feds fight over who gets the body. If the feds get him, DL will order Pam to dismiss all charges.

DL would have no qualms about this whatsoever. He's just pardoned and released a 400 ton drug trafficker who'd confessed in text messages to "shovelling drugs up the noses of the gringos".

DL's response to this shooting says it all. Before any facts became available, he immediately came out to lie, giving his followers the excuse they need.

His Vice Prez followed up to announce ICE agents have full immunity from prosecution.

And down here in Oz, we have cult worshippers pedalling as fast as they can, denying, defending and excusing a cold-blooded murder.

Oh brave new world with such wondrous things in it, no?

Exactly what it was.

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Reply #10 - Jan 9^th, 2026 at 1:48pm

What Vance said:

No State authority will investigate federal law enforcement. The officer therefore has absolute immunity from State prosecution.
Is there a Federal agency that wants to prosecute him? No, they isn't.
ICE will review the case - not prosecuted it - and that will be it.
Will the woman's family initiate a legal case? Quite possibly, supported by political oponents of ICE. Will such a case have legs?
We'll see.

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Reply #11 - Jan 9^th, 2026 at 1:55pm

“The idea that a federal agent has absolute immunity for crimes they commit on the job is absolutely ridiculous,” said Michael J.Z. Mannheimer, a constitutional law expert at Northern Kentucky University’s Salmon P. Chase College of Law.

Mannheimer said that more than 120 years of case law on the issue of so-called supremacy clause immunity has shown that federal officials can be criminally pursued by state prosecutors for conduct taken in the course of their official duties but that it’s up to courts to ultimately determine whether they can be shielded from the charges.

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Reply #12 - Jan 9^th, 2026 at 6:08pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 9^th, 2026 at 1:55pm:

“The idea that a federal agent has absolute immunity for crimes they commit on the job is absolutely ridiculous,” said Michael J.Z. Mannheimer, a constitutional law expert at Northern Kentucky University’s Salmon P. Chase College of Law.

Mannheimer said that more than 120 years of case law on the issue of so-called supremacy clause immunity has shown that federal officials can be criminally pursued by state prosecutors for conduct taken in the course of their official duties but that it’s up to courts to ultimately determine whether they can be shielded from the charges.

Absolute immunity from state prosecution as they were not acting under state authority.

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Reply #14 - Jan 9^th, 2026 at 7:00pm

Frank wrote on Jan 9^th, 2026 at 6:08pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 9^th, 2026 at 1:55pm:

“The idea that a federal agent has absolute immunity for crimes they commit on the job is absolutely ridiculous,” said Michael J.Z. Mannheimer, a constitutional law expert at Northern Kentucky University’s Salmon P. Chase College of Law.

Mannheimer said that more than 120 years of case law on the issue of so-called supremacy clause immunity has shown that federal officials can be criminally pursued by state prosecutors for conduct taken in the course of their official duties but that it’s up to courts to ultimately determine whether they can be shielded from the charges.

Absolute immunity from state prosecution as they were not acting under state authority.

I see. So if JD were to mean absolute immunity from all federal charges, you'd have a problem with that, would you?

You'd see something wrong with an administration letting a murderer off the hook, would you?

You'd take issue with a Vice Prez saying a federal employee should evade all justice for killing somebody, would you?

Two specific questions.

Over to you.

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