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How should victims of sexual assault be triaged?
Oct 9th, 2025 at 7:28pm
 
This document from the QLD gov demands sexual assault victims be at the top of the triage list in QLD hospitals. "Within 10 minutes" would see them above cardiac patients. These people are not dying, traumatised, sure, give them a support person who is not an ED nurse and let the ED staff do what they do best, save lives.


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Minister issues directive to ensure compassionate care for sexual assault victims

Health Minister Shannon Fentiman will issue a Ministerial Directive under the Hospital and Health Boards Act 2011.
26 reporting hospitals will be obligated to ensure women presenting at Emergency Departments requiring forensic examinations for sexual assault are seen within 10 minutes, where possible.

It is the first time this power has been invoked.
Queensland’s Health Minister will issue a Ministerial Directive to all Hospital and Health Services to ensure victims of sexual assault are seen by medical professionals within 10 minutes of presenting to hospital.

https://statements.qld.gov.au/statements/99175#:~:text=On%20November%2017%2C%202...
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Re: How should victims of sexual assault be triaged?
Reply #1 - Oct 9th, 2025 at 7:59pm
 

"where possible"

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Re: How should victims of sexual assault be triaged?
Reply #2 - Oct 9th, 2025 at 9:34pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 9th, 2025 at 7:59pm:
"where possible"



I knew someone, like you, would pick that nit. Read the next.
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Queensland’s Health Minister will issue a Ministerial Directive to all Hospital and Health Services to ensure victims of sexual assault are seen by medical professionals within 10 minutes of presenting to hospital.


My youngest son works in ED and is at the front line of this. I'm asking because he has ignored the ministers directive to actually save lives. He doesn't like being put in the position of having to ignore pragmatic triage.

Edit: Beyond that, is ED be the best place to deal with what is not life threatening at top priority.
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Re: How should victims of sexual assault be triaged?
Reply #3 - Oct 9th, 2025 at 9:42pm
 
Setanta wrote on Oct 9th, 2025 at 9:34pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 9th, 2025 at 7:59pm:
"where possible"



I knew someone, like you, would pick that nit. Read the next.
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Queensland’s Health Minister will issue a Ministerial Directive to all Hospital and Health Services to ensure victims of sexual assault are seen by medical professionals within 10 minutes of presenting to hospital.


My youngest son works in ED and is at the front line of this. I'm asking because he has ignored the ministers directive to actually save lives. He doesn't like being put in the position of having to ignore pragmatic triage.

Edit: Beyond that, is ED be the best place to deal with what is not life threatening at top priority.


"where possible"
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Re: How should victims of sexual assault be triaged?
Reply #4 - Oct 9th, 2025 at 9:47pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 9th, 2025 at 9:42pm:
Setanta wrote on Oct 9th, 2025 at 9:34pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 9th, 2025 at 7:59pm:
"where possible"



I knew someone, like you, would pick that nit. Read the next.
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Queensland’s Health Minister will issue a Ministerial Directive to all Hospital and Health Services to ensure victims of sexual assault are seen by medical professionals within 10 minutes of presenting to hospital.


My youngest son works in ED and is at the front line of this. I'm asking because he has ignored the ministers directive to actually save lives. He doesn't like being put in the position of having to ignore pragmatic triage.

Edit: Beyond that, is ED be the best place to deal with what is not life threatening at top priority.


"where possible"


You've got nothing as usual. No thought, just buzz words.
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Re: How should victims of sexual assault be triaged?
Reply #5 - Oct 9th, 2025 at 9:55pm
 
Setanta wrote on Oct 9th, 2025 at 9:47pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 9th, 2025 at 9:42pm:
Setanta wrote on Oct 9th, 2025 at 9:34pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 9th, 2025 at 7:59pm:
"where possible"



I knew someone, like you, would pick that nit. Read the next.
Quote:
Queensland’s Health Minister will issue a Ministerial Directive to all Hospital and Health Services to ensure victims of sexual assault are seen by medical professionals within 10 minutes of presenting to hospital.


My youngest son works in ED and is at the front line of this. I'm asking because he has ignored the ministers directive to actually save lives. He doesn't like being put in the position of having to ignore pragmatic triage.

Edit: Beyond that, is ED be the best place to deal with what is not life threatening at top priority.


"where possible"


You've got nothing as usual. No thought, just buzz words.


Not buzz words - a direct quote from your link.

"where possible"
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Reply #6 - Oct 9th, 2025 at 10:07pm
 
Ah ha, another quote from my link.
"ensure victims of sexual assault are seen by medical professionals within 10 minutes"

But as usual, not addressing the topic but finding nits. You'd make a fine chimp. I'm done with you.
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Reply #7 - Oct 9th, 2025 at 10:17pm
 
Setanta wrote on Oct 9th, 2025 at 10:07pm:
Ah ha, another quote from my link.
"ensure victims of sexual assault are seen by medical professionals within 10 minutes"


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Reply #8 - Oct 10th, 2025 at 3:50am
 
Hi set
Yes my wife works at small hospital 22 beds 60 km from Brisbane.

I'm sure your son would agree it's hard to focus on the patients casualties were set up for because of system stupidity.

Cas should be for road trauma
Acute chest pains and strokes
Abdo pains from appendix or gall bladder or kidney stones.
Meningitis snake bites fractures lacerations
Blood clots, ectopic pregnancies
Shingles ,eye trauma. Pneumonia.

Instead,  and ask your son if he agrees, it is full of 90 yo dementia patients who families can't deal with any more or nursing homes are sick of. And who get dumped there, old fat diabetics with infected toes who never get better.
Old fat immobile people who can't toilet themselves.
20 yos with their 20th panic attack. Alcohol and drug addicts with mental health issues. Ndis patients who have run out of funding .
People wanting to be examined so they can get a piece of paper saying they are a DV  victim so they can use it in a custody dispute. Homeless people looking for a bed and 3square meals.

The staff get demoralised.
The government give all the power to the patients.
The tail wags the dog


And the genuine casualty patient waits 8 hrs to be seen and then can't be admitted because the wards are full of obese 80 yos who can't cope at home and lay about the hospital for 6 months waiting for a nursing home bed and then when they go there they don't like it. Discharge themselves. Go home and come back in through casualty.

Ask your son if he agrees  Wink

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Reply #9 - Oct 10th, 2025 at 3:56am
 
As for sexual Assault.
These cases take a lot of time to assess.
Swabs taken need to stand up in court. Photos need to be taken.

At my wife's hospital they dont see them fir that reason. They go to a bigger hospital which has a unit to do the job properly and document everything for the police.

Junior docs and young nurses don't have the expertise to do that sort of forensic work.
The minister is talking crapband he knows it.

You can't have an expert team on stand by at every tin pot hospital.
The police should direct victims to a specialised unit, not the local casualty.
PAH Logan and RBH in Brisbane. Big hospitals with such teams do this work.
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Reply #10 - Oct 10th, 2025 at 8:03am
 

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Reply #11 - Oct 10th, 2025 at 8:28am
 
Rape examinations
Children who need to be examined to see if they have been abused
Women in early pregnancy with miscarriages.
Mental health crisis .


Lazy politicians should not be expecting casualties which are usually full of the most junior doctors to deal with this.

Sure it's cheaper to say go to cas
And sure it's easy to say each group is the priority.

But politicians need to set up and fund a team with real expertise in each of these areas and direct cases there

More costly but better in the long run.

My wife tells me they already do this with miscarriages and child abuse.
Immediate triage to a private room and then the obstetrics or paediatrician comes with his team to deal with it.


To really free up cas, they need to have a separate  system for all the nursing home patients.
They need a team to go out to the nursing home or to the old persons home and treat them in place.


It is way too expensive and too upsetting to the confused old person to be in cas or a hospital.bed when they aren't getting acute care or operations and are just hanging about waiting for the social worker to find them a spot somewhere.

Hospital beds cost over 1000 a day.
Cheaper to put them up at the Marriott and pay for a nurse to visit them there3 times a day
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Reply #12 - Oct 10th, 2025 at 8:40am
 
aquascoot wrote on Oct 10th, 2025 at 8:28am:
Rape examinations
Children who need to be examined to see if they have been abused
Women in early pregnancy with miscarriages.
Mental health crisis .


Lazy politicians should not be expecting casualties which are usually full of the most junior doctors to deal with this.



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Reply #13 - Oct 10th, 2025 at 10:16am
 
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"Within 10 minutes" would see them above cardiac patients.


Are you saying that hospitals will make someone having a heart attack wait ten minutes before being seen?
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Reply #14 - Oct 10th, 2025 at 10:26am
 
freediver wrote on Oct 10th, 2025 at 10:16am:
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"Within 10 minutes" would see them above cardiac patients.


Are you saying that hospitals will make someone having a heart attack wait ten minutes before being seen?


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