Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2025 at 8:43am:

Are you saying that elected governments must not exercise sovereign rule in accordance with their respective constitution?

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2025 at 9:09am:



Ah - so 'sovereign people' are evil - sovereign government is not.... how now that government sovereignty is in opposition to the people as sovereign?  That's three separate issues ...

When a democratic government is more than aware that a large majority of its people are not in favour of a path chosen by that government - it is incumbent upon that government to ASK those people before acting.  Governments hold enough power already under the small measure of control the people as sovereign actually hold - under no circumstances should governments become dictators to the people, or even assume that they have an absolute 'mandate' to do as they choose without the people's consent.

This is clearly one issue in contention.... nobody elected Albo to recognise a terrorist state, let alone to go back on his own words - again and just like 'the voice' - by saying that any 'recognition' of such a non-existent state would ONLY be on their meeting certain KPIs, which included democracy, removal of all traces of Hamas, a free and proper election of a government, disarmament and such....

NONE of these requirements have been met in Gaza - therefore there is ZERO right of our government, or any of the other governments who said the exact same things - to go ahead and 'recognise' a state that does not exist anyway.  Where are they going to put it?

Imperium quod populo suo mentitur nullum omnino imperium est.

In my humble opinion, in this modern age... the enemy of good government is government itself...

This in Canada - clearly these 'woke' governments across the world are in lockstep on this 'issue' that doesn't really exist, and are communicating and agreeing on the exact same line, - clearly they expect Israel to just step out of the way, as if that's going to happen:-

"Mark Carney just announced that Canada recognizes the State of Palestine. Except that’s not true. Canada hasn’t.

There has been no vote in Parliament on the matter. Canadians don’t support it.

Carney was away from Canada for a long time, but we actually sent thousands of Canadian troops to fight against Islamic terrorists in Afghanistan — and more than 160 Canadians were killed doing so.

Parliament did vote on Palestine, just last year. Canadian MPs in fact decided not to unilaterally call for a state of Palestine, but rather to call for that to be negotiated, and to have basic pre-conditions like releasing the Jewish hostages, disarming the terrorists, and for Hamas to have no role whatsoever in the future of the country. That vote passed 204 to 117.

But today without consultation, without a vote, without a mandate, on a Sunday so he can avoid question period, Carney simply put out a press release — on the eve of the Jewish high holiday of Rosh Hashana. He’s classy that way.

Watch my short video on the subject:

Carney lied. Back in July, he had said he would only support a Palestinian state if Palestine became a democracy, and agreed to have an election next year. Obviously, it hasn’t done that — it’s a dictatorship.

Carney also had said Palestine had to demilitarize. It obviously hasn’t. Carney had said Hamas must be banned from any role in the future of Palestine. And he also said the hostages had to be released.

That’s what he said two months ago — that those were necessary preconditions. None of them have been met. But today Carney gave Hamas everything they wanted — for nothing in return.

The Palestinian dictator has already retweeted Carney’s announcement — I think that’s the fourth time terrorists have publicly thanked Canada for being on their side. That’s so gross.

Carney has rewarded terrorism and violence. He’s sold out Israel. But he’s sold out Canada too, and Canadian values. Imagine what our veterans who served in Afghanistan think about this — Hamas is just as atrocious as ISIS or the Taliban.

None of Carney’s schemes will actually make a difference. Israel will defend itself without Carney’s permission. Hamas will never give up trying to kill Jews, despite Carney’s self-delusion. Canada just doesn’t have any diplomatic or military power anymore. No-one listens to Canada anymore — other than the Palestinians who use us for propaganda purposes.

This announcement is purely for domestic political consumption.

Carney is going for the huge antisemitic vote, which grows every year through mass immigration from terrorist countries like Pakistan, Afghanistan, Syria and Somalia. Carney has done nothing useful for anyone, including for the Palestinian people. He’s just debased our own country.

A grown-up might ask, what is the capital city of this new country? Is it Jerusalem? Don’t you think Carney needs to say? What are its borders? Hamas has a saying — from the river to the sea. If you look at the map, you understand what that means — completely wiping out Israel. Is that Carney’s view? Who is its government? Hamas or the PLO? Or someone else? What is its constitution — the Hamas Charter that calls for the killing of Jews worldwide? Who exactly is a Palestinian?

In a way, none of it matters, because Canada isn’t involved — neither is the UK or France or Australia, or other countries that are virtue-signalling this way. The future of the Middle East will be decided by Israel, the United States, and Sunni Arab countries like Saudi Arabia and the UAE and Egypt. They have skin in the game — and unlike Mark Carney, they don’t allow pro-Hamas protests in their streets. They’ve seen where that leads.

This won’t change a thing in Gaza, other than make it easier for Hamas to hold on a bit longer, which will cost more lives. But it will change things in Canada — it’s like a starter pistol for another antisemitic crime wave targeting Jews and Israelis.

We’ve seen that for two years, but it’s going to hit new levels now. I notice that a handful of Jewish MPs in the Liberal government are all hiding today. What can they say? They’re like the Judenrat in the Jewish ghettos of Europe in the 1940s — their job is to manage the Jews on behalf of the government.

This is a disgrace. But it does not represent Canada.

It represents the hard left. It represents antisemitic immigrants. And it represents a Liberal Party that will do anything to win.

Canadians are fair-minded — and I think a lot actually would support a Palestine, if it truly did disarm, democratize and stop terrorism. I think I would, if that actually happened — I’ve been to the United Arab Emirates, and peace really is possible. But not by giving recognition to terrorists."

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2025 at 9:55am:

Even at your age, you need to learn that excessive typing is not the same as making an argument.

Parliament is sovereign... the only limits on the government's exercising that sovereignty are codified in the state's constitution.

While it's wise for a government to be sensitive to the mood of the people, it is not compelled to do so... again, as exemplified by a declaration of war.