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Reply #30 - Sep 21st, 2025 at 1:57am
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 20th, 2025 at 3:42pm:
Frank wrote on Sep 20th, 2025 at 3:20pm:
The nazi persecution of the Jews was not religiously motivated.
If it had been, conversion to Christianity would have saved them. It didn't.


The Nazis took religious hatred for Jews to a deeper level, seeing it as what we would call today, genetic.

Historic religious hatred of Jews was exactly how German Catholics and Lutherans could tolerate extreme prejudice against Jews by the Nazi Party from its public beginnings in the 20s through to 1945.

The Catholic Church, in particular, was focused on the preservation of Catholic schools, clergy, and property in Germany rather than on the fate of European Jews, seeing it as not the Church's concern, and this was the basis for the Germany-Vatican Concordat.

The Great Silence, as it became known, referred to the complete lack of Vatican protestations over the disenfranchisement and murder of Jews.

This remarkable disinterest in the fate of Jews descended into outright enthusiasm for the German treatment of Jews, the further east into strongly Catholic, Orthodox and Lutheran countries it spread.

The Soviet Union maintained contempt for Jews, from its pre-Soviet Orthodox roots, almost until its collapse.

Neither the Nazis not the Soviets nor the useless idiots of today are motivated by religion.

Mediaeval religions do not motivated 20th century Jew hate, nor today's 'anti-zionism'.

Get off the hobby horse and look around, Toto, I have a feeling we are not Kansas anymore. Nor the 16th century.

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Reply #31 - Sep 21st, 2025 at 6:32am
 
Frank wrote on Sep 21st, 2025 at 1:57am:
Neither the Nazis not the Soviets nor the useless idiots of today are motivated by religion.

Mediaeval religions do not motivated 20th century Jew hate, nor today's 'anti-zionism'.

Get off the hobby horse and look around, Toto, I have a feeling we are not Kansas anymore. Nor the 16th century.


Great... Then you won't mind non-Christo-based cultures migrating into majority Christo-based countries, then.

What were you teaching before you were forced out?

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Reply #32 - Sep 21st, 2025 at 6:46am
 
Every Jew who has ever lived for the last 2000 years knew and knows that Europeans will express overt Jew-hate given the chance.

It's why Israeli leaders cultivate those American Christian sects that incorporate the belief that the second coming of Christ will not occur until the state of Israel includes the entire ancient Jewish borders (so-called premillennial dispensationalism)... i.e. to have at least some Christians, by religious conviction and not through temporary collective guilt, inside the Jewish-Israel tent pissing out.

Of course, once that happens, they believe all returned Jews must then convert or perish (some things never change), but until then, they believe Jews are necessary prophetic actors.
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Reply #33 - Sep 21st, 2025 at 8:55am
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 19th, 2025 at 11:11pm:
freediver wrote on Sep 10th, 2025 at 1:04pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 10th, 2025 at 12:36pm:
freediver wrote on Sep 10th, 2025 at 11:11am:
There are only a small number of you, once you take out the Muslims, who are compelled by their religion to hate Jews.

What compelled the vast majority of Europeans over thousands of years to hate Jews?


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Do you have an answer to this Meister?

I do.

Jews didn't flee Europe after 1945 to escape Muslims; they crammed themselves onto boats in their tens of thousands and poured into British Mandate Palestine to get away from Europeans.


Is that why the vast majority of Europeans were compelled to hate Jews over thousands of years?

Were they already hating Jews back when they were slaves in Egypt?
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Reply #34 - Sep 21st, 2025 at 9:12am
 
freediver wrote on Sep 21st, 2025 at 8:55am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 19th, 2025 at 11:11pm:
freediver wrote on Sep 10th, 2025 at 1:04pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 10th, 2025 at 12:36pm:
freediver wrote on Sep 10th, 2025 at 11:11am:
There are only a small number of you, once you take out the Muslims, who are compelled by their religion to hate Jews.

What compelled the vast majority of Europeans over thousands of years to hate Jews?


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Do you have an answer to this Meister?

I do.

Jews didn't flee Europe after 1945 to escape Muslims; they crammed themselves onto boats in their tens of thousands and poured into British Mandate Palestine to get away from Europeans.


Is that why the vast majority of Europeans were compelled to hate Jews over thousands of years?

Were they already hating Jews back when they were slaves in Egypt?

Your usual gibberish...

When were they slaves in Egypt? Even Israeli anthropologists largely agree that their slavery in Egypt and Moses are myths.
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Reply #35 - Sep 21st, 2025 at 11:49am
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 21st, 2025 at 9:12am:
Even Israeli anthropologists largely agree that their slavery in Egypt and Moses are myths.

A theory that has gained traction is that the ancestors of Jews were probably an underclass, though not a slave class as such, whose subsect of Egyptian mainstream religion, with its worship of one god, put them at odds with Egyptian society, such that they moved away from or were edged out of Egyptian-controlled regions over a few generations, finding themselves entering non-Egyptian lands, like Canaan.

They were probably more like the Romani, whose ancestry has now been traced to the Indian subclass 'untouchables' who moved into Europe almost at the same time as Jews were expelled from Judea, Samaria and Galilee.

The Romani were given an Egyptian origin story by Europeans, hence Gypsies.



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Reply #36 - Sep 21st, 2025 at 12:28pm
 
freediver wrote on Sep 10th, 2025 at 8:02pm:
The British did not create Israel.





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You are correct; the British did not create the State of Israel, though they held a colonial mandate for Palestine until 1948. Instead, the United Nations voted to partition the British Mandate of Palestine into separate Jewish and Arab states. Britain ultimately opposed this resolution and did not enforce it, choosing instead to withdraw its forces, leaving the Jewish community to declare Israel's independence on May 14, 1948.


The Balfour Declaration
The Balfour Declaration of 1917 expressed British support for a "national home for the Jewish people" in Palestine.
However, the Balfour Declaration was not a declaration of statehood and contained provisions that the rights of existing non-Jewish communities should not be prejudiced, which complicated its implementation.
Britain's aim was to secure the support of Jewish communities in the Middle East during World War I, but this policy was not consistently implemented, and the British actually hindered the creation of a Jewish state at various points.


The UN Partition Plan
After World War II, the British government, overwhelmed by the ongoing conflict and the challenge of managing the Mandate, handed the issue to the newly formed United Nations.
The UN voted for a partition plan that recommended dividing the Mandate into two separate states: one Jewish and one Arab.
Britain announced it would not enforce this plan and simply withdrew its presence from the territory by May 14, 1948.


Declaration of Independence
On May 14, 1948, David Ben-Gurion, the head of the Jewish Agency, proclaimed the establishment of the State of Israel.
This declaration occurred just before the termination of the British Mandate and was a culmination of the efforts of the Zionist movement to establish a Jewish state.
Therefore, Israel was established not by British grant, but by the political actions of the Jewish leadership and the subsequent conflict with Arab forces, following the UN's recommendation and Britain's withdrawal.
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Reply #37 - Sep 21st, 2025 at 3:49pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 21st, 2025 at 6:32am:
Frank wrote on Sep 21st, 2025 at 1:57am:
Neither the Nazis not the Soviets nor the useless idiots of today are motivated by religion.

Mediaeval religions do not motivated 20th century Jew hate, nor today's 'anti-zionism'.

Get off the hobby horse and look around, Toto, I have a feeling we are not Kansas anymore. Nor the 16th century.


Great... Then you won't mind non-Christo-based cultures migrating into majority Christo-based countries, then.



Needless to say, your response does not relate to what I said.
YoU are now in complete Bbwiyawnesque mode, Toto, blurting unrelated resentments.


neither the nazis nor the soviets nor the Palestinian flag waivers and sceamers have been motivated by Christian religious hostility to the Jews on behalf of Christ.
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Reply #38 - Sep 21st, 2025 at 4:42pm
 
Frank wrote on Sep 21st, 2025 at 3:49pm:
Needless to say, your response does not relate to what I said.
YoU are now in complete Bbwiyawnesque mode, Toto, blurting unrelated resentments.


neither the nazis nor the soviets nor the Palestinian flag waivers and sceamers have been motivated by Christian religious hostility to the Jews on behalf of Christ.

Needless to say, your comprehension of the root cause of European Jew-hate is worse than your comprehension of British or Australian history... not that it stops you smearing it across this forum.

Weird coming from someone from a Lutheran culture... I'm guessing you know little to nothing of Martin Luther.

Thankfully, the likes of Pope John XXIII recognised the link and acted immediately on his ascension to the Papacy...Pius XII continued with his Great Silence after WW2, as the Catholic Church assisted former SS officers and former Nazi officials in escaping Europe to South America.
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Reply #39 - Sep 21st, 2025 at 5:36pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 21st, 2025 at 4:42pm:
Frank wrote on Sep 21st, 2025 at 3:49pm:
Needless to say, your response does not relate to what I said.
YoU are now in complete Bbwiyawnesque mode, Toto, blurting unrelated resentments.


neither the nazis nor the soviets nor the Palestinian flag waivers and sceamers have been motivated by Christian religious hostility to the Jews on behalf of Christ.

Needless to say, your comprehension of the root cause of European Jew-hate is worse than your comprehension of British or Australian history... not that it stops you smearing it across this forum.

Weird coming from someone from a Lutheran culture... I'm guessing you know little to nothing of Martin Luther.

Thankfully, the likes of Pope John XXIII recognised the link and acted immediately on his ascension to the Papacy...Pius XII continued with his Great Silence after WW2, as the Catholic Church assisted former SS officers and former Nazi officials in escaping Europe to South America.

You are jumping obliviously from 16th century reformation to Catholicism, to godless atheism and back and forth as if it was all the one, eternal, unchanging monolithic 'Europe'.

Get off the hobby horse, Toto.
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Reply #40 - Sep 21st, 2025 at 5:43pm
 
Frank wrote on Sep 21st, 2025 at 5:36pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 21st, 2025 at 4:42pm:
Frank wrote on Sep 21st, 2025 at 3:49pm:
Needless to say, your response does not relate to what I said.
YoU are now in complete Bbwiyawnesque mode, Toto, blurting unrelated resentments.


neither the nazis nor the soviets nor the Palestinian flag waivers and sceamers have been motivated by Christian religious hostility to the Jews on behalf of Christ.

Needless to say, your comprehension of the root cause of European Jew-hate is worse than your comprehension of British or Australian history... not that it stops you smearing it across this forum.

Weird coming from someone from a Lutheran culture... I'm guessing you know little to nothing of Martin Luther.

Thankfully, the likes of Pope John XXIII recognised the link and acted immediately on his ascension to the Papacy...Pius XII continued with his Great Silence after WW2, as the Catholic Church assisted former SS officers and former Nazi officials in escaping Europe to South America.

You are jumping obliviously from 16th century reformation to Catholicism, to godless atheism and back and forth as if it was all the one, eternal, unchanging monolithic 'Europe'.

Get off the hobby horse, Toto.

For someone who rants about preserving cultural tradition, you're as dumb as a c~nt when it comes to its dark side.

The fact is, Christianity was responsible for forcing a permanent wedge and murderous animosity between Jews and Christians, beginning with Paul and James around AD60, as documented in Acts, and persisted until 1945 unabated.

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Reply #41 - Sep 21st, 2025 at 6:47pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 21st, 2025 at 5:43pm:
Frank wrote on Sep 21st, 2025 at 5:36pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 21st, 2025 at 4:42pm:
Frank wrote on Sep 21st, 2025 at 3:49pm:
Needless to say, your response does not relate to what I said.
YoU are now in complete Bbwiyawnesque mode, Toto, blurting unrelated resentments.


neither the nazis nor the soviets nor the Palestinian flag waivers and sceamers have been motivated by Christian religious hostility to the Jews on behalf of Christ.

Needless to say, your comprehension of the root cause of European Jew-hate is worse than your comprehension of British or Australian history... not that it stops you smearing it across this forum.

Weird coming from someone from a Lutheran culture... I'm guessing you know little to nothing of Martin Luther.

Thankfully, the likes of Pope John XXIII recognised the link and acted immediately on his ascension to the Papacy...Pius XII continued with his Great Silence after WW2, as the Catholic Church assisted former SS officers and former Nazi officials in escaping Europe to South America.

You are jumping obliviously from 16th century reformation to Catholicism, to godless atheism and back and forth as if it was all the one, eternal, unchanging monolithic 'Europe'.

Get off the hobby horse, Toto.

For someone who rants about preserving cultural tradition, you're as dumb as a c~nt when it comes to its dark side.

The fact is, Christianity was responsible for forcing a permanent wedge and murderous animosity between Jews and Christians, beginning with Paul and James around AD60, as documented in Acts, and persisted until 1945 unabated.



Ye-usssh - but that was long ago and in a faraway country..... and besides ..... the reasoning is dead ....

"Yes, St. Paul and St. James were both Jewish
. Paul was a Hellenistic-Jewish Pharisee from Tarsus, and James, the brother of Jesus, was a leader in the Jerusalem church and a devoted follower of his brother's teachings, emphasizing Jewish law. Both men, before and after their initial experiences with Jesus, identified with and practiced Judaism"

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Reply #42 - Sep 21st, 2025 at 6:58pm
 
Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Sep 21st, 2025 at 6:47pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 21st, 2025 at 5:43pm:
Frank wrote on Sep 21st, 2025 at 5:36pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 21st, 2025 at 4:42pm:
Frank wrote on Sep 21st, 2025 at 3:49pm:
Needless to say, your response does not relate to what I said.
YoU are now in complete Bbwiyawnesque mode, Toto, blurting unrelated resentments.


neither the nazis nor the soviets nor the Palestinian flag waivers and sceamers have been motivated by Christian religious hostility to the Jews on behalf of Christ.

Needless to say, your comprehension of the root cause of European Jew-hate is worse than your comprehension of British or Australian history... not that it stops you smearing it across this forum.

Weird coming from someone from a Lutheran culture... I'm guessing you know little to nothing of Martin Luther.

Thankfully, the likes of Pope John XXIII recognised the link and acted immediately on his ascension to the Papacy...Pius XII continued with his Great Silence after WW2, as the Catholic Church assisted former SS officers and former Nazi officials in escaping Europe to South America.

You are jumping obliviously from 16th century reformation to Catholicism, to godless atheism and back and forth as if it was all the one, eternal, unchanging monolithic 'Europe'.

Get off the hobby horse, Toto.

For someone who rants about preserving cultural tradition, you're as dumb as a c~nt when it comes to its dark side.

The fact is, Christianity was responsible for forcing a permanent wedge and murderous animosity between Jews and Christians, beginning with Paul and James around AD60, as documented in Acts, and persisted until 1945 unabated.



Ye-usssh - but that was long ago and in a faraway country..... and besides ..... the reasoning is dead ....

"Yes, St. Paul and St. James were both Jewish
. Paul was a Hellenistic-Jewish Pharisee from Tarsus, and James, the brother of Jesus, was a leader in the Jerusalem church and a devoted follower of his brother's teachings, emphasizing Jewish law. Both men, before and after their initial experiences with Jesus, identified with and practiced Judaism"


You're going to make a fool of yourself quicker in this thread than you usually do.

After multiple volatile arguments with James, Paul ultimately triggered James' demand for Paul's execution by his defiling of the Temple by bringing gentiles into the Temple's inner sanctum.

Paul would have been lynched on the spot by furious devout Jews had he not sought protection from the Roman Temple guards, who escorted him out of the Temple.

He was then arrested by the Roman Procurator (Porcius Festus) to answer to the Jewish charges requiring the death penalty.

Paul then used his Roman citizenship status to exercise his right to have his alleged crimes adjudicated by Caesar (Nero), which was granted by the Procurator, thus protecting him from James and Jewish law.
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Reply #43 - Sep 21st, 2025 at 7:15pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 21st, 2025 at 6:58pm:
Ye-usssh - but that was long ago and in a faraway country..... and besides ..... the reasoning is dead ....


And yet Netanyahu referred to it just a few weeks ago in an interview... All Israeli leaders since 1948, when justifying military actions or other acts of aggression, always refer to the 2000 years of European persecution, when putting European leaders back in their box and muting their protestations, but not, strangely enough, to any Islamic actions over 1400 years.
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Reply #44 - Sep 21st, 2025 at 10:15pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 21st, 2025 at 6:58pm:
Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Sep 21st, 2025 at 6:47pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 21st, 2025 at 5:43pm:
Frank wrote on Sep 21st, 2025 at 5:36pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 21st, 2025 at 4:42pm:
Frank wrote on Sep 21st, 2025 at 3:49pm:
Needless to say, your response does not relate to what I said.
YoU are now in complete Bbwiyawnesque mode, Toto, blurting unrelated resentments.


neither the nazis nor the soviets nor the Palestinian flag waivers and sceamers have been motivated by Christian religious hostility to the Jews on behalf of Christ.

Needless to say, your comprehension of the root cause of European Jew-hate is worse than your comprehension of British or Australian history... not that it stops you smearing it across this forum.

Weird coming from someone from a Lutheran culture... I'm guessing you know little to nothing of Martin Luther.

Thankfully, the likes of Pope John XXIII recognised the link and acted immediately on his ascension to the Papacy...Pius XII continued with his Great Silence after WW2, as the Catholic Church assisted former SS officers and former Nazi officials in escaping Europe to South America.

You are jumping obliviously from 16th century reformation to Catholicism, to godless atheism and back and forth as if it was all the one, eternal, unchanging monolithic 'Europe'.

Get off the hobby horse, Toto.

For someone who rants about preserving cultural tradition, you're as dumb as a c~nt when it comes to its dark side.

The fact is, Christianity was responsible for forcing a permanent wedge and murderous animosity between Jews and Christians, beginning with Paul and James around AD60, as documented in Acts, and persisted until 1945 unabated.



Ye-usssh - but that was long ago and in a faraway country..... and besides ..... the reasoning is dead ....

"Yes, St. Paul and St. James were both Jewish
. Paul was a Hellenistic-Jewish Pharisee from Tarsus, and James, the brother of Jesus, was a leader in the Jerusalem church and a devoted follower of his brother's teachings, emphasizing Jewish law. Both men, before and after their initial experiences with Jesus, identified with and practiced Judaism"


You're going to make a fool of yourself quicker in this thread than you usually do.

After multiple volatile arguments with James, Paul ultimately triggered James' demand for Paul's execution by his defiling of the Temple by bringing gentiles into the Temple's inner sanctum.

Paul would have been lynched on the spot by furious devout Jews had he not sought protection from the Roman Temple guards, who escorted him out of the Temple.

He was then arrested by the Roman Procurator (Porcius Festus) to answer to the Jewish charges requiring the death penalty.

Paul then used his Roman citizenship status to exercise his right to have his alleged crimes adjudicated by Caesar (Nero), which was granted by the Procurator, thus protecting him from James and Jewish law.


So how does hiding behind Roman citizenship make this into hating Jews that grew into the incredible thing it became?

What happened to turning the other cheek?  You do realise these books were not written until the 4th or 5th Century AD or so, don't you, and were essentially a political manifesto and not divine writings from God - sort of like the Allah Manifesto.?
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