freediver wrote on Jul 8^th, 2026 at 9:15pm:


It's a simple matter of basic morality and common sense. An invader cannot take over someone's home, move in, loot its contents, brutalize and imprison the inhabitants (including the most horrific and depraved acts like the kidnap, gang-rape and murder of a 12 year old girl and the lining up of dozens and dozens of innocent villagers in the town square and gunning them down) and then claim self-defense to murder the homeowners when they fight back.

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Yes it does. Read the article:


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You cannot distinguish between attacks on a sovereign state by another sovereign state and attacks on an occupying state by the people it illegally occupies.

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And Francesca Albanese, UN special rapporteur on Palestine, says Israel’s assault on Gaza is without legal merit as ‘self-defense cannot apply in a context of military occupation’.

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That's what Muslims do. Deliberately. Following Muhammad's example. And they got away with it. They rarely left anyone behind to complain about it.

Israel on the other hand has created a beacon of freedom and democracy in one of the most backwards, hostile, oppressive and corrupt regions on earth. Arab Muslim Israelis have more rights and freedoms, and more say in the governance of the country, than in any other middle eastern or north african country. The Muslims consider that immoral. Do you?

freediver wrote on Jul 10^th, 2026 at 7:20am:


Parroting Ben Gvir's talking points doesn't make you cunning, dear, it just makes you spineless.

What sound does a jellyfish make?

waggawoody wrote on Jul 9^th, 2026 at 9:38pm:



Except if you are a follower of ISLAM........


Allah's Holy Koran has put into the heart of the follower of ISLAM,
that everything which the infidel possesses rightfully belongs to the believers.




"Or have they gods that can guard them from Us? They have no power to aid themselves, nor can they be defended from Us.
...See they not that We gradually reduce the land (in their control) from its outlying borders? Is it then they who will win?"
Koran 21:43-44


"And He made you [moslems] heirs to their [non-moslem] land and their dwellings and their property, and (to) a land which you have not yet trodden, and Allah has power over all things."
Koran 33:27


"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11


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It is all Allah's will.....

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YUSUFALI: Fight them, and Allah will punish them by your hands, cover them with shame, help you (to victory) over them, heal the breasts of Believers,
PICKTHAL: Fight them! Allah will chastise them at your hands, and He will lay them low and give you victory over them, and He will heal the breasts of folk who are believers.
SHAKIR: Fight them, Allah will punish them by your hands and bring them to disgrace, and assist you against them and heal the hearts of a believing people.


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YUSUFALI: Say: "Nothing will happen to us except what Allah has decreed for us: He is our protector": and on Allah let the Believers put their trust.
PICKTHAL: Say: Naught befalleth us save that which Allah hath decreed for us. He is our Protecting Friend. In Allah let believers put their trust!
SHAKIR: Say: Nothing will afflict us save what Allah has ordained for us; He is our Patron; and on Allah let the believers rely.

waggawoody wrote on Jul 9^th, 2026 at 9:38pm:



A nation who was attacked,
retaining [captured] strategic land, for its own SELF-DEFENCE......
....being prohibited.






Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1299665041/39#39
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Frank wrote on Jul 10^th, 2026 at 11:21am:


Here we have the old boy, by way of a logical fallacy, saying the state of Israel has a right to take over someone's home, move in, loot its contents, brutalize and imprison the inhabitants because Islam is the invadeer everywhere, from from the Atlantic Ocean to India.

Of course, when we pointed out Israel is currently destroying Christian towns in Lebanon, he changed the subject, as you do.

FD, is this what you meant when you said trolls take advantage of these debates – effectively taking advantage of people’s ignorance – because they are a shortcut to a heated debate?

Cheers.

Paki gob on a stick wrote on Jul 6^th, 2026 at 1:20pm:

Just so, only the US never denied them citizenship and created a legal category targeting them for execution, now did they?

The US never detained them indefinitely. The US never bombed their neighbourhoods to render them inhabitable, denied them food, water or medical services. The US never allowed settlers in to take their land, or pushed for their forced resettlement and exile.

The US, in perhaps its gravest human rights breach on its own soil, housed and fed their so-called enemy aliens for the duration of WWII, and that was that. All 31,000 went home.

Israel has killed a greater number of civilians in Gaza alone. Gaza has been occupied by Israel since 1967. Gazans have effectively lived in captivity since 2007, when Israel sealed the Rafah border. Today, all entry or exit from Gaza is strictly prohibited - particularly for journalists. Survivors are now at the mercy of the IDF, who are currently detaining and torturing civilians, including doctors.

In March, Israel began its invasion of southern Lebanon. Over 1.3 million people were forced off their land at gunpoint and had their homes, workplaces and communities destroyed. Roads, bridges, power lines - all infrastructure - have been systematically demolished. The IDF has even poisoned their water.

This isn't about Jews or Muslims. Many of those towns were Christian - their homes, farms, schools and even churches have been erased. Entire communities have been forced into homelessness, over a million living in cars and tents - indefinitely.

And Israel hasn't finished yet. Israel has taken over Lebanese air space, filling the Beirut sky with drones.

Beirut, a modern metropolitan city, a population of over 2.3 million, the same size as Perth, is now under siege. Israel uses drones to create sonic booms - blasts throughout the night, designed to keep the population on edge. You never know whether that explosion's going to get you.

After all, some do get you. In one round of bombings in April, Israel targeted neighbourhoods all over Beirut, killing 254 people, wounding over 700 more.

Entire blocks were flattened, the lucky ones being pulled from the rubble intact. Last month, another another two apartment blocks were taken out, killing, disabling and traumatising more. Israel had just signed a ceasefire.

But do you know? Israel is still, as FD points out, a failed democracy. Its citizens get a vote. Their current prime minister,  Bibi Netanyahu belongs to a nationalist party called Likud. They have an expansionist view of Israel, a vision known as Greater Israel. Likud's 1977 political slogan caught on: from the river to the sea.

Likud holds 32 out of 160 seats in Israel's Knesset. In order to get a majority, Bibi had to form a coalition with a messianic group of religious parties, most of whom believe Israel is above politics. Some of Netanyahu's cabinet don't believe in human rights, modern state borders or sovereignty. They look to books like Exodus and Leviticus for inspiration.

State Security Minister, Ben Gvir, leads Otzma Yehudit, a Jewish supremacist party that translates as Jewish Power. More accurately, they're an anti-Arab party, founded with a mission to deport all Arabs from Israel - not unlike Geert Wilders in Holland, but without the libertarianism. Gvir reintroduced the death penalty for terrorism, but for non-Jews only.

The bill targets Arabs, protecting Jews. After all, Gvir is also on record saying he is proud of settler violence and attacks on Arabs. On the day the bill got passed, Gvir attended parliament wearing a noose lapel-pin. Afterwards, he had a little party. He had selfies taken with a noose cake his wife had lovingly made.

Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich believes there's no such thing as Arab Palestinians. In 2023, he got busted at a public event in Paris, speaking in front of a map of Greater Israel, territory that included including Jordan. The slip happened before October 7, leading many to later join the dots.

But that was then. Greater Israel actually extends from the Nile to the Euphrates, a Promised Land many in the current Israeli government feel "historically and spiritually" aligned to. In 2025, Bibi confessed that he shares this mission.