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Reply #135 - Jul 6th, 2026 at 8:24pm
 
Why do so many people who Defend the disgraceful actions of the Jews happy to discriminate against almost any other race ?
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Reply #137 - Jul 6th, 2026 at 11:33pm
 
freediver wrote on Jul 6th, 2026 at 7:12pm:
Paki gob on a stick wrote on Jul 6th, 2026 at 2:32pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 6th, 2026 at 8:44am:
Paki gob on a stick wrote on Jul 6th, 2026 at 7:48am:
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If you take away the fact that they are Jewish, would anyone care that they did all these things? Not at all. If Muslims created a wealthy liberal democracy in one of the most backwards places on earth, they would be celebrated, not condemned.





Yes, they do go hand in hand.

That is why Israelis, including Arab Muslim Israelis, have more rights and freedoms, and more say in the governance of the country, than in any other middle eastern or north african country. I dare say they would have even more, on par with us, if they had not been constantly attacked since the country came into existence.

Nitpick all you like, but all it demonstrates is that you judge them differently, because they are Jews. You sound no different to TGD explaining how awful it is to live with freedom and democracy in Australia, when he is not confused and thinking we live in America.

Israel has created a beacon of freedom and democracy in one of the most backwards, hostile, oppressive and corrupt regions on earth. No wonder the Muslims and wannabe Nazis hate it so much.


Hi FD, where does Israel stand on the democracy index?

Cheers.


They are in 30th place, out of 167. Their score is 7.8, up from 7.3 20 years ago. A 'flawed democracy'. 8.0 and above is considered a full democracy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Economist_Democracy_Index

We are #13, with a score of 8.9. The USA is #34, with a score of 7.7.


Right. So how is a flawed democracy supposed to be a beacon of freedom and democracy?

Nobody's trying to be like Israel, yes?

Or are they?


By being a beacon of freedom and democracy. I doubt the gays getting thrown off buildings care too much whether Israel scores a 7.8 or an 8.0 on the economists scale.

Plenty of people are trying to be like Israel. Lots of people from neighbouring countries are trying to get in to Israel. Not vice versa. The Iranian protestors would prefer Israel's democracy, despite whatever flaws it has, to their system. Looking from that far down the scale, the differences are so vast that it would be difficult to make a meaningful distinction between Israel's and Australia's democracy, or between Australia's and Norway's.

Israel is hated because of the Jews.

I'm curious, do you actually think all the Muslims and various other Jew haters who want to see Israel destroyed do so because Israel has not done a good enough job at creating a liberal democracy?


No, FD, I think all the Muslims and Jew haters want to see the Israeli military destroyed 


And what happens then? Peace breaks out in the middle east?

Iran is spending about a billion dollars a year funding terrorism, most of it directed at attacking Israel. But you think the Israeli military is the real problem?

The Muslims want to see the Israeli military destroyed because it keeps getting in the way of slaughtering Jews.


What, you think the Christian Lebanese population of southern Lebanon wants to see the Israeli military succeed? They gave up on Israel, you silly old thing. Israel's just returned the favour.

So, here's the question you evaded: Why are you trying the old anti-Semitic ruse? I thought you were so over wacism and all into saying what you think and everything.

Don't want to say?
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Reply #138 - Jul 6th, 2026 at 11:35pm
 
Frank wrote on Jul 6th, 2026 at 7:31pm:
Paki gob on a stick wrote on Jul 6th, 2026 at 5:43pm:
Frank wrote on Jul 6th, 2026 at 4:54pm:
[quote author=Karnal link=1757473441/127#127 date=1783312320]

Yeah, wee paki gobber, why can't Israel just give in to Hamas, Hezbollah, Houtis and just let Iran nuke it. So dangerous and supremacist and wacist, all this push back against jihadis hellbent on wiping out Israel.



I wonder if we'll ever get Lutheran fundamentalists. A bunch of half-Kraut cadavers knocking about, calling for beheadings.

If we do, you can count the old boy out.

He's gone rather soft on Danish of late.

AN ENTIRE CIVILIZATION WILL DIE!!


You are playing, as aways, at being a grimacing idiotic wee paki when your shivelled bollocks are nailed to the floor.




Yes, that Paki gobber comment of yours was a real bollock-nailer.

Cunning, no?
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Reply #139 - Jul 7th, 2026 at 7:49am
 
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Academic critics argue Shahak cherry-picks isolated Talmudic or Halakhic passages—often extreme or localized responses—and presents them as representative of Judaism as a whole.



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Stefan Bialoguski thinks that intellectual and often public terror employed in the USA and other countries against Jews who speak the truth about Judaism, whether in the form it took after the inception of the Talmud or its continuation in Orthodox Judaism, will succeed against an Israeli Jew like me.

Contrary to the great majority of American Jews, Israeli Jews enjoy three great advantages with regard to the freedom of expression on Jewish issues: they read Hebrew and can read Halacha and other Jewish documents in the original, and are not dependent on the falsehoods circulated about those by rabbis and Jewish organizations.

They see, with the help of their Hebrew press, whose behavior is much more honest when reporting Jewish issues than the American one, what Orthodox rabbis (almost all Israeli rabbis are Orthodox) do when they have political power, and many of them noted long ago the close resemblance the Orthodox rabbis bear to the Ayatollahs in their aims, and also the close resemblance between the Halacha and the religious law now established in Iran. I have no doubt that had the common Israeli slogans “Israel will not be an Iran” or “Israel will not be ruled by Jewish Ayatollahs” – meaning the rabbis – been raised in the USA, American defenders of Jewish zealotry and discrimination if directed against non-Jews, would have protested as strongly against such typical Israeli slogans as they do against “Jewish Fundamentalism in Israel”.

Let me add that increasing numbers of Israeli Jews are beginning to see that it would be a very good thing for Israel if something similar to the First Amendment to the USA Constitution would become the law in the State of Israel. Even the Israeli Jews who did not yet adapt this view usually despise the American Jews who want to carry the separation of the church from the state to its greatest extent in the USA (because they think it is in the Jewish interest) and vehemently oppose it in Israel (because they think that in this case it is against the Jewish interest).

Lastly, and perhaps most importantly, the secular part of the Israeli Jews has been educated, to a large extent, on Prophetic books of the Old Testament, and its other parts such as the Psalms, which contrary to the Talmudic literature, attack especially what the great majority of the Jews regarded as authoritative when this literature was composed. Therefore for us, the secular Israeli Jews, to attack Jewish institutions and laws, even when hallowed by time, and to use the sharpest language while doing so, as the Prophets and other Jewish poets preserved in the Old Testament did when criticizing Jews (usually they used much sharper language than I am using), is the most normal thing; it is something which preserves our freedom and our sense of continuity as Jews.

Let me add that the best hope of better future in the Middle East lies in all its peoples criticizing their religions, customs and past. Continuing to be enslaved to the past leads to the perpetuation of all conflicts...

The beginning of any struggle for justice in the Middle East must be recognition of the fact that for the last 52 years Zion, that is the State of Israel, has been built with blood, mainly of the Arabs, and founded on the most horrifying forms of injustice which when applied to the Jews are rightly condemned as anti-Semitism. Let me give here give only a single example, before entering Halachic argument. During 18 years of Israeli occupation of Lebanon about 25,000 Lebanese and Palestinians lost their lives as compared with about 800 Israeli soldiers. It is a significant fact of Israeli politics that numbers of non Jews killed in Lebanon had little or no influence on Israeli decisions to leave it, even when they were members of the South Lebanese Army, allied with Israel. On the other hand, the relatively small numbers of killed Jewish soldiers were the chief factor, even in the eyes of Israeli organizations calling for withdrawal, to mobilize the Jewish public opinion and force the government to withdraw.

The great majority of the Orthodox and traditional Jews (in the USA even more than in Israel) is quite indifferent to numbers of non-Jews killed by Jews, while it is very sensitive to a single Jew killed by non-Jews. The same happens with discrimination: there is very little, if any protest from the great majority of Orthodox and traditional Jews when Jews discriminate against non-Jews, in our case the Arabs, together with screams of fury against any hint of discrimination (or abuse) against the Jews themselves.

Surely, such an attitude by a public so devoted to the worship of the Jewish past must be influenced by that past. As I have shown (especially in my book “Jewish history, Jewish religion”; Chapter 5 “The Laws Against Non Jews”), this attitude derives from the many Halachic laws against non-Jews.

After this necessary preface, let me answer in some detail the accusations made...

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Reply #140 - Jul 7th, 2026 at 7:51am
 
freediver wrote on Jul 5th, 2026 at 12:22pm:
waggawoody wrote on Jul 4th, 2026 at 10:20pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 4th, 2026 at 5:05pm:
If you take away the fact that they are Jewish, would anyone care that they did all these things? Not at all. If Muslims created a wealthy liberal democracy in one of the most backwards places on earth, they would be celebrated, not condemned.


Democracy?

Democracy is synonymous with freedom, freedom of speech, freedom of religion, etc.

Yet what do we see in Israel?

"Multiple laws, policies, and court rulings in Israel violate nearly every freedom enumerated in the First Amendment of the US Constitution, including freedom of religion, freedom of speech, freedom of the press, and freedom of peaceable assembly. If Israeli politicians wish to brag that their nation resembles western democracies, they must defend the freedoms those countries hold dear. Israel does not."



Yes, they do go hand in hand.

That is why Israelis, including Arab Muslim Israelis, have more rights and freedoms, and more say in the governance of the country, than in any other middle eastern or north african country. I dare say they would have even more, on par with us, if they had not been constantly attacked since the country came into existence.

Nitpick all you like, but all it demonstrates is that you judge them differently, because they are Jews. You sound no different to TGD explaining how awful it is to live with freedom and democracy in Australia, when he is not confused and thinking we live in America.

Israel has created a beacon of freedom and democracy in one of the most backwards, hostile, oppressive and corrupt regions on earth. No wonder the Muslims and wannabe Nazis hate it so much.


You should try thinking for yourself instead of mindlessly parroting Zionist propaganda.

A state with a regime based on ethno-supremacism, and which practices racial segregation and apartheid, with dozens and dozens of laws that discriminate against certain citizens in all walks of life, cannot be a democracy.
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Reply #141 - Jul 7th, 2026 at 8:17am
 
What racial segregation?

Do you disagree with my claim that all Israelis, including Arab Muslim Israelis, have more rights and freedoms, and more say in the governance of the country, than in any other middle eastern or north african country.

Or are you just pointing out how bad those other countries must be?
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Reply #142 - Jul 7th, 2026 at 8:59am
 
Paki gob on a stick wrote on Jul 3rd, 2026 at 3:42pm:
tallowood wrote on Jul 3rd, 2026 at 2:41pm:
Paki gob on a stick wrote on Jul 3rd, 2026 at 2:19pm:
Frank wrote on Jul 3rd, 2026 at 9:55am:
Paki gob on a stick wrote on Jul 2nd, 2026 at 11:17pm:
Frank wrote on Jul 2nd, 2026 at 10:58pm:
Paki gob on a stick wrote on Jul 2nd, 2026 at 10:48pm:
Frank wrote on Jul 2nd, 2026 at 10:32pm:
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Why are the Jews so accomplished? Despite all the hate and persecution and disdain, the Jews are more accomplished than anyone else in fields of endeavour requiring brains. Why is that?



Yet you repeatedly fail to show what those 'accomplishments' are.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Jewish_Nobel_laureates

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Distribution_of_Muslims_in_Nobel_Prizes_...


And that's just the Nobel.

Jews - 15 miĺion. Mohammedans - 2 billion.

8

Number of Israelis: 14.

Number of Palestinians: 2.

Number of Aussies:

15.

Aussie Aussie Aussie, no?


Good point - although of the 15, ond was a Jew, one a Russian, one American and a coupla Brits.


We decide who comes to our country and the manner in which they come.

Not really.

We cannot even deport convicted non-citizens.
Ditto Britain.
Even in the US, mongs are up in arms about the deportation of illegals, includinng criminals.


Strange. The Australian government begs to differ.

But given this is a chat about the Joos, I'm curious.

What do they do with all those Palestinian non-citizens, detained in Israel?

Cheers.


There are no Palestinians or do you mean Arabs?


No, dear, there are about a million Arab citizens of Israel. We're asking about the other 5.6 mil who can't get a passport, are arbitrarily detained, are only tried in military courts and are now subject to the death penalty, prohibited to citizens of Israel under the constitution.

You know, Palestinians.


How many times word Palestinians appear in Quran?

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Reply #143 - Jul 7th, 2026 at 9:06am
 
tallowood wrote on Jul 7th, 2026 at 8:59am:
Paki gob on a stick wrote on Jul 3rd, 2026 at 3:42pm:
tallowood wrote on Jul 3rd, 2026 at 2:41pm:
Paki gob on a stick wrote on Jul 3rd, 2026 at 2:19pm:
Frank wrote on Jul 3rd, 2026 at 9:55am:
Paki gob on a stick wrote on Jul 2nd, 2026 at 11:17pm:
Frank wrote on Jul 2nd, 2026 at 10:58pm:
Paki gob on a stick wrote on Jul 2nd, 2026 at 10:48pm:
Frank wrote on Jul 2nd, 2026 at 10:32pm:
waggawoody wrote on Jul 2nd, 2026 at 9:07pm:
Frank wrote on Jun 30th, 2026 at 11:16pm:
Why are the Jews so accomplished? Despite all the hate and persecution and disdain, the Jews are more accomplished than anyone else in fields of endeavour requiring brains. Why is that?



Yet you repeatedly fail to show what those 'accomplishments' are.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Jewish_Nobel_laureates

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Distribution_of_Muslims_in_Nobel_Prizes_...


And that's just the Nobel.

Jews - 15 miĺion. Mohammedans - 2 billion.

8

Number of Israelis: 14.

Number of Palestinians: 2.

Number of Aussies:

15.

Aussie Aussie Aussie, no?


Good point - although of the 15, ond was a Jew, one a Russian, one American and a coupla Brits.


We decide who comes to our country and the manner in which they come.

Not really.

We cannot even deport convicted non-citizens.
Ditto Britain.
Even in the US, mongs are up in arms about the deportation of illegals, includinng criminals.


Strange. The Australian government begs to differ.

But given this is a chat about the Joos, I'm curious.

What do they do with all those Palestinian non-citizens, detained in Israel?

Cheers.


There are no Palestinians or do you mean Arabs?


No, dear, there are about a million Arab citizens of Israel. We're asking about the other 5.6 mil who can't get a passport, are arbitrarily detained, are only tried in military courts and are now subject to the death penalty, prohibited to citizens of Israel under the constitution.

You know, Palestinians.


How many times word Palestinians appear in Quran?



Hard to say, dear. You might want to ask FD.

He's currently pretending they have the same rights as Israelis, give or take a noose or two.

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Reply #144 - Jul 7th, 2026 at 9:13am
 
Paki gob on a stick wrote on Jul 7th, 2026 at 9:06am:
tallowood wrote on Jul 7th, 2026 at 8:59am:
Paki gob on a stick wrote on Jul 3rd, 2026 at 3:42pm:
tallowood wrote on Jul 3rd, 2026 at 2:41pm:
Paki gob on a stick wrote on Jul 3rd, 2026 at 2:19pm:
Frank wrote on Jul 3rd, 2026 at 9:55am:
Paki gob on a stick wrote on Jul 2nd, 2026 at 11:17pm:
Frank wrote on Jul 2nd, 2026 at 10:58pm:
Paki gob on a stick wrote on Jul 2nd, 2026 at 10:48pm:
Frank wrote on Jul 2nd, 2026 at 10:32pm:
waggawoody wrote on Jul 2nd, 2026 at 9:07pm:
Frank wrote on Jun 30th, 2026 at 11:16pm:
Why are the Jews so accomplished? Despite all the hate and persecution and disdain, the Jews are more accomplished than anyone else in fields of endeavour requiring brains. Why is that?



Yet you repeatedly fail to show what those 'accomplishments' are.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Jewish_Nobel_laureates

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Distribution_of_Muslims_in_Nobel_Prizes_...


And that's just the Nobel.

Jews - 15 miĺion. Mohammedans - 2 billion.

8

Number of Israelis: 14.

Number of Palestinians: 2.

Number of Aussies:

15.

Aussie Aussie Aussie, no?


Good point - although of the 15, ond was a Jew, one a Russian, one American and a coupla Brits.


We decide who comes to our country and the manner in which they come.

Not really.

We cannot even deport convicted non-citizens.
Ditto Britain.
Even in the US, mongs are up in arms about the deportation of illegals, includinng criminals.


Strange. The Australian government begs to differ.

But given this is a chat about the Joos, I'm curious.

What do they do with all those Palestinian non-citizens, detained in Israel?

Cheers.


There are no Palestinians or do you mean Arabs?


No, dear, there are about a million Arab citizens of Israel. We're asking about the other 5.6 mil who can't get a passport, are arbitrarily detained, are only tried in military courts and are now subject to the death penalty, prohibited to citizens of Israel under the constitution.

You know, Palestinians.


How many times word Palestinians appear in Quran?



Hard to say, dear. You might want to ask FD.

He's currently pretending they have the same rights as Israelis, give or take a noose or two.

WITCH HUNT !!!


The same number as in hadith, that is 0 (zero).

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Reply #145 - Jul 7th, 2026 at 10:08am
 
Paki gob on a stick wrote on Jul 6th, 2026 at 11:35pm:
Frank wrote on Jul 6th, 2026 at 7:31pm:
Paki gob on a stick wrote on Jul 6th, 2026 at 5:43pm:
Frank wrote on Jul 6th, 2026 at 4:54pm:
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Yeah, wee paki gobber, why can't Israel just give in to Hamas, Hezbollah, Houtis and just let Iran nuke it. So dangerous and supremacist and wacist, all this push back against jihadis hellbent on wiping out Israel.



I wonder if we'll ever get Lutheran fundamentalists. A bunch of half-Kraut cadavers knocking about, calling for beheadings.

If we do, you can count the old boy out.

He's gone rather soft on Danish of late.

AN ENTIRE CIVILIZATION WILL DIE!!


You are playing, as aways, at being a grimacing idiotic wee paki when your shivelled bollocks are nailed to the floor.




Yes, that Paki gobber comment of yours was a real bollock-nailer.

Cunning, no?



Yes, it certainly was. You are still squirming about it. Here it is:

Yeah, wee paki gobber, why can't Israel just give in to Hamas, Hezbollah, Houtis and just let Iran nuke it. So dangerous and supremacist and wacist, all this push back against jihadis hellbent on wiping out Israel.


That's your stance, gobber.

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Reply #146 - Jul 7th, 2026 at 10:24am
 
Paki gob on a stick wrote on Jul 6th, 2026 at 11:33pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 6th, 2026 at 7:12pm:
Paki gob on a stick wrote on Jul 6th, 2026 at 2:32pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 6th, 2026 at 8:44am:
Paki gob on a stick wrote on Jul 6th, 2026 at 7:48am:
freediver wrote on Jul 6th, 2026 at 6:40am:
Paki gob on a stick wrote on Jul 5th, 2026 at 6:41pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 5th, 2026 at 12:22pm:
waggawoody wrote on Jul 4th, 2026 at 10:20pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 4th, 2026 at 5:05pm:
If you take away the fact that they are Jewish, would anyone care that they did all these things? Not at all. If Muslims created a wealthy liberal democracy in one of the most backwards places on earth, they would be celebrated, not condemned.





Yes, they do go hand in hand.

That is why Israelis, including Arab Muslim Israelis, have more rights and freedoms, and more say in the governance of the country, than in any other middle eastern or north african country. I dare say they would have even more, on par with us, if they had not been constantly attacked since the country came into existence.

Nitpick all you like, but all it demonstrates is that you judge them differently, because they are Jews. You sound no different to TGD explaining how awful it is to live with freedom and democracy in Australia, when he is not confused and thinking we live in America.

Israel has created a beacon of freedom and democracy in one of the most backwards, hostile, oppressive and corrupt regions on earth. No wonder the Muslims and wannabe Nazis hate it so much.


Hi FD, where does Israel stand on the democracy index?

Cheers.


They are in 30th place, out of 167. Their score is 7.8, up from 7.3 20 years ago. A 'flawed democracy'. 8.0 and above is considered a full democracy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Economist_Democracy_Index

We are #13, with a score of 8.9. The USA is #34, with a score of 7.7.


Right. So how is a flawed democracy supposed to be a beacon of freedom and democracy?

Nobody's trying to be like Israel, yes?

Or are they?


By being a beacon of freedom and democracy. I doubt the gays getting thrown off buildings care too much whether Israel scores a 7.8 or an 8.0 on the economists scale.

Plenty of people are trying to be like Israel. Lots of people from neighbouring countries are trying to get in to Israel. Not vice versa. The Iranian protestors would prefer Israel's democracy, despite whatever flaws it has, to their system. Looking from that far down the scale, the differences are so vast that it would be difficult to make a meaningful distinction between Israel's and Australia's democracy, or between Australia's and Norway's.

Israel is hated because of the Jews.

I'm curious, do you actually think all the Muslims and various other Jew haters who want to see Israel destroyed do so because Israel has not done a good enough job at creating a liberal democracy?


No, FD, I think all the Muslims and Jew haters want to see the Israeli military destroyed 


And what happens then? Peace breaks out in the middle east?

Iran is spending about a billion dollars a year funding terrorism, most of it directed at attacking Israel. But you think the Israeli military is the real problem?

The Muslims want to see the Israeli military destroyed because it keeps getting in the way of slaughtering Jews.


What, you think the Christian Lebanese population of southern Lebanon wants to see the Israeli military succeed? They gave up on Israel, you silly old thing. Israel's just returned the favour.

So, here's the question you evaded: Why are you trying the old anti-Semitic ruse? I thought you were so over wacism and all into saying what you think and everything.

Don't want to say?


What ruse? Is it just my imagination that the Muslim world is full of Nazi-esque anti Jewish propaganda?
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Reply #147 - Jul 7th, 2026 at 10:25am
 
tallowood wrote on Jul 7th, 2026 at 9:13am:
Paki gob on a stick wrote on Jul 7th, 2026 at 9:06am:
tallowood wrote on Jul 7th, 2026 at 8:59am:



How many times word Palestinians appear in Quran?





Hard to say, dear.

You might want to ask FD.

He's currently pretending they have the same rights as Israelis, give or take a noose or two.

WITCH HUNT !!!



The same number as in hadith, that is 0 (zero).




As an aside....


Q.
How many times, did Allah place the name of Jerusalem,
in the Koran ?

A.
Zero.




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Quote:

Jerusalem is mentioned 811 times in the Bible.
It holds significant importance in the texts of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam.





Quote:

The Bible mentions Zion 159 times in the New and Old Testaments.






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waggawoody wrote on Jul 7th, 2026 at 7:49am:
The beginning of any struggle for justice in the Middle East must be recognition of the fact that for the last 52 years Zion, that is the State of Israel, has been built with blood, mainly of the Arabs, and founded on the most horrifying forms of injustice which when applied to the Jews are rightly condemned as anti-Semitism. Let me give here give only a single example, before entering Halachic argument. During 18 years of Israeli occupation of Lebanon about 25,000 Lebanese and Palestinians lost their lives as compared with about 800 Israeli soldiers. It is a significant fact of Israeli politics that numbers of non Jews killed in Lebanon had little or no influence on Israeli decisions to leave it, even when they were members of the South Lebanese Army, allied with Israel. On the other hand, the relatively small numbers of killed Jewish soldiers were the chief factor, even in the eyes of Israeli organizations calling for withdrawal, to mobilize the Jewish public opinion and force the government to withdraw.




This doesn't address what YOU highlighted  and took as took as the pertinent point in your post as Shahak's main point: that isolated pre-1780 Jewish tesxt are the direct intellectual cause of what is happening in post 1967 Israel, totally ignoring the interveening 200 years of Jewish intellectual development and contribution to civilisation.


As for Israel's occupation of southern Lebanon: Why did it happen? Because the state of Lebanon was unable to reign in and control the non-state terrorist groups in itss territory, namely the PLO and Hezb'allah that kept attacking Israel. 

The West Bank and Gaza wouldd STILL be occupied by Jordan and Egyot, respectively, if they hadn't attacked Israel in 1967 with the aim of destroying it. There would be NO Middle East war if the Muslims did not constantly wage jihad againsst Israel, if they woukd accept the UN decision of 1948 to create Israel and a Palestinian state. The jews accepted it, the Muslims chose jihad ever since.

Germany was partitioned, Vietnam, Korea, India, then Pakistan, Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia, Soviet Union, Cyprus, Ireland, etc, etc. And these were all actual countries, UNLIKE Palestine after the collapse of the Ottoman Empire (out of which, needless to say, other countries had also been created, like Turkey, Syria, Lebanon etc).






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Re: why hate Jews?
Reply #149 - Jul 7th, 2026 at 11:34am
 
freediver wrote on Jul 7th, 2026 at 10:24am:
Paki gob on a stick wrote on Jul 6th, 2026 at 11:33pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 6th, 2026 at 7:12pm:
Paki gob on a stick wrote on Jul 6th, 2026 at 2:32pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 6th, 2026 at 8:44am:
Paki gob on a stick wrote on Jul 6th, 2026 at 7:48am:
freediver wrote on Jul 6th, 2026 at 6:40am:
Paki gob on a stick wrote on Jul 5th, 2026 at 6:41pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 5th, 2026 at 12:22pm:
waggawoody wrote on Jul 4th, 2026 at 10:20pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 4th, 2026 at 5:05pm:
If you take away the fact that they are Jewish, would anyone care that they did all these things? Not at all. If Muslims created a wealthy liberal democracy in one of the most backwards places on earth, they would be celebrated, not condemned.





Yes, they do go hand in hand.

That is why Israelis, including Arab Muslim Israelis, have more rights and freedoms, and more say in the governance of the country, than in any other middle eastern or north african country. I dare say they would have even more, on par with us, if they had not been constantly attacked since the country came into existence.

Nitpick all you like, but all it demonstrates is that you judge them differently, because they are Jews. You sound no different to TGD explaining how awful it is to live with freedom and democracy in Australia, when he is not confused and thinking we live in America.

Israel has created a beacon of freedom and democracy in one of the most backwards, hostile, oppressive and corrupt regions on earth. No wonder the Muslims and wannabe Nazis hate it so much.


Hi FD, where does Israel stand on the democracy index?

Cheers.


They are in 30th place, out of 167. Their score is 7.8, up from 7.3 20 years ago. A 'flawed democracy'. 8.0 and above is considered a full democracy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Economist_Democracy_Index

We are #13, with a score of 8.9. The USA is #34, with a score of 7.7.


Right. So how is a flawed democracy supposed to be a beacon of freedom and democracy?

Nobody's trying to be like Israel, yes?

Or are they?


By being a beacon of freedom and democracy. I doubt the gays getting thrown off buildings care too much whether Israel scores a 7.8 or an 8.0 on the economists scale.

Plenty of people are trying to be like Israel. Lots of people from neighbouring countries are trying to get in to Israel. Not vice versa. The Iranian protestors would prefer Israel's democracy, despite whatever flaws it has, to their system. Looking from that far down the scale, the differences are so vast that it would be difficult to make a meaningful distinction between Israel's and Australia's democracy, or between Australia's and Norway's.

Israel is hated because of the Jews.

I'm curious, do you actually think all the Muslims and various other Jew haters who want to see Israel destroyed do so because Israel has not done a good enough job at creating a liberal democracy?


No, FD, I think all the Muslims and Jew haters want to see the Israeli military destroyed 


And what happens then? Peace breaks out in the middle east?

Iran is spending about a billion dollars a year funding terrorism, most of it directed at attacking Israel. But you think the Israeli military is the real problem?

The Muslims want to see the Israeli military destroyed because it keeps getting in the way of slaughtering Jews.


What, you think the Christian Lebanese population of southern Lebanon wants to see the Israeli military succeed? They gave up on Israel, you silly old thing. Israel's just returned the favour.

So, here's the question you evaded: Why are you trying the old anti-Semitic ruse? I thought you were so over wacism and all into saying what you think and everything.

Don't want to say?


What ruse? Is it just my imagination that the Muslim world is full of Nazi-esque anti Jewish propaganda?


No, that's a question. You were asked why you're trying the old anti-Semitic ruse. We thought you were so over wacism and all into saying what you think and everything. Now you're pretending all criticism of Israeli policy is Jew-hating.

Now, if you want to play no-speaka, no worries, just say that:

Me no speaka da English.
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