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Re: Trump blows terrorists out of the water
Reply #375 - Yesterday at 1:36pm

greggerypeccary wrote Yesterday at 12:51pm:

Belgarion wrote Yesterday at 12:45pm:

greggerypeccary wrote Yesterday at 9:25am:

Belgarion wrote Yesterday at 9:04am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 5^th, 2025 at 5:26pm:

Belgarion wrote on Dec 5^th, 2025 at 5:20pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 5^th, 2025 at 11:11am:

Survivors clinging to capsized boat didn’t radio for backup, admiral overseeing double-tap strike tells lawmakers

The two men killed as they floated holding onto their capsized boat in a secondary strike against a suspected drug vessel in early September did not appear to have radio or other communications devices, the top military official overseeing the strike told lawmakers on Thursday, according to three sources with direct knowledge of his congressional briefings.

As far back as September, defense officials have been quietly pushing back on criticism that killing the two survivors amounted to a war crime by arguing, in part, that they were legitimate targets because they appeared to be radioing for help or backup — reinforcements that, if they had received it, could have theoretically allowed them to continue to traffic the drugs aboard their sinking ship.

Murder - pure and simple.

I see that you, in the face of overwhelming evidence, have ceased your claim that these were not drug trafficking vessels and are now pushing the 'murder' line.

There is zero evidence to suggest the boats were carrying drugs, and there is an abundance of evidence which suggests the killings were premeditated murder.

I notice that neither you, nor the Trump administration, have offered anything in the way of evidence to support the ludicrous "drugs/fentanyl" claim lie.

You have repeated the same mantra from the beginning, yet have shown no evidence to back up your claims while demanding it from everyone else. I have explained previously that I have some knowledge of this sort of thing gained from my previous employment at Border Force, yet you refuse to accept this and anything else that does not align with your own viewpoint. Can you point us to any evidence you have that these boats are not transporting drugs and if not, what exactly are they doing?

The onus is on the Trump administration, and you, to prove the boats were transporting illicit drugs.

Still waiting.

So you have nothing to bring to this discussion except your deranged hatred of Trump, which infects almost every post you make on this forum.

I know you MAGA types don't like this, but I'm giving you the facts.

There is zero evidence that the boats were carrying illicit drugs.

The onus is on the Trump administration to prove the boats were transporting illicit drugs.

So far, they have presented nothing.

This isn't my opinion - it's an indisputable fact.

Again, I know you guys don't like facts but there it is.

You'll just have to deal with it.

Hang on, didn't Belgarion and his friends claim that DL was innocent until proven guilty in his own indictments?

Come come, we said, we have the tape of him telling Raffensberger to find him more votes. We have hundreds of boxes of classified government documents stacked in the bathroom, the pool shed and ballroom stage. We have the emails of his staff and records of meetings where they plotted the fake elector's scheme, sending seven forged electoral certificates into Congress to be illegally counted on Jan 6.

I know, they said, but he's legally innocent until he goes through the motions in court.

You're right, we said, we can't argue with that. Bring on the trials.

Now, hang on, they said, sounding nervous.

Anyhoo, the same legal principle applies to fishing vessels and pleasure boat cruises in the Caribbean. The US military is not allowed to board those boats without just cause. They're not allowed to fire a shot unless in self defence.

And they're not allowed to pretend their victims are guilty of any crimes without having been found guilty in a court of law. How do we know?

They said.

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Re: Trump blows terrorists out of the water
Reply #376 - Yesterday at 1:42pm

Bobby. wrote Yesterday at 1:21pm:

Karnal wrote Yesterday at 1:18pm:

Bobby. wrote Yesterday at 1:01pm:

greggerypeccary wrote Yesterday at 12:51pm:

I know you MAGA types don't like this, but I'm giving you the facts.

There is zero evidence that the boats were carrying illicit drugs.

The onus is on the Trump administration to prove the boats were transporting illicit drugs.

So far, they have presented nothing.

This isn't my opinion - it's an indisputable fact.

Again, I know you guys don't like facts but there it is.

You'll just have to deal with it.

Greggy,
it wasn't a police action - it was an act of war.

The USA has declared war on major drug traffickers.

A war is a military conflict carried out by sovereign states, under the Law of War.

If the US was at war, Pete would be subject to prosecution for a war crime.

As it stands, Pete's action is subject to the criminal codes of three jurisdictions: Venezuela, Colombia and the US. He is almost certain to be prosecuted in the US once the administration changes hands, unless he receives a presidential pardon.

Pete is a drunk - he didn't know what he was doing.

Intoxication never rules out prosecution, dear.

It may influence sentencing under mitigating circumstances, but the charges stand. Pete is legally responsible for his actions.

You?

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Re: Trump blows terrorists out of the water
Reply #377 - Yesterday at 1:44pm

Bobby. wrote Yesterday at 1:01pm:

greggerypeccary wrote Yesterday at 12:51pm:

I know you MAGA types don't like this, but I'm giving you the facts.

There is zero evidence that the boats were carrying illicit drugs.

The onus is on the Trump administration to prove the boats were transporting illicit drugs.

So far, they have presented nothing.

This isn't my opinion - it's an indisputable fact.

Again, I know you guys don't like facts but there it is.

You'll just have to deal with it.

Greggy,
it wasn't a police action - it was an act of war.

The USA has declared war on major drug traffickers.

The US Congress has declared war? Undecided

When was that? I'm curious.

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Re: Trump blows terrorists out of the water
Reply #378 - Yesterday at 1:51pm

Karnal wrote Yesterday at 1:42pm:

Bobby. wrote Yesterday at 1:21pm:

Karnal wrote Yesterday at 1:18pm:

Bobby. wrote Yesterday at 1:01pm:

greggerypeccary wrote Yesterday at 12:51pm:

I know you MAGA types don't like this, but I'm giving you the facts.

There is zero evidence that the boats were carrying illicit drugs.

The onus is on the Trump administration to prove the boats were transporting illicit drugs.

So far, they have presented nothing.

This isn't my opinion - it's an indisputable fact.

Again, I know you guys don't like facts but there it is.

You'll just have to deal with it.

Greggy,
it wasn't a police action - it was an act of war.

The USA has declared war on major drug traffickers.

A war is a military conflict carried out by sovereign states, under the Law of War.

If the US was at war, Pete would be subject to prosecution for a war crime.

As it stands, Pete's action is subject to the criminal codes of three jurisdictions: Venezuela, Colombia and the US. He is almost certain to be prosecuted in the US once the administration changes hands, unless he receives a presidential pardon.

Pete is a drunk - he didn't know what he was doing.

Intoxication never rules out prosecution, dear.

It may influence sentencing under mitigating circumstances, but the charges stand. Pete is legally responsible for his actions.

You?

Well Joe got out of killing 70,000 people in Gaza
cause he's a demented old senile fool.

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Re: Trump blows terrorists out of the water
Reply #379 - Yesterday at 1:52pm

greggerypeccary wrote Yesterday at 1:44pm:

Bobby. wrote Yesterday at 1:01pm:

greggerypeccary wrote Yesterday at 12:51pm:

I know you MAGA types don't like this, but I'm giving you the facts.

There is zero evidence that the boats were carrying illicit drugs.

The onus is on the Trump administration to prove the boats were transporting illicit drugs.

So far, they have presented nothing.

This isn't my opinion - it's an indisputable fact.

Again, I know you guys don't like facts but there it is.

You'll just have to deal with it.

Greggy,
it wasn't a police action - it was an act of war.

The USA has declared war on major drug traffickers.

The US Congress has declared war? Undecided

When was that? I'm curious.

I think it was an executive order.

Trump did say that the lawyers at the White House said it was legal.

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Re: Trump blows terrorists out of the water
Reply #380 - Yesterday at 1:53pm

Trump and Hegseth Have Been Mass Murdering Foreign Nationals in the Caribbean

Over the 2 September to 15 November 2025, the US Trump administration has killed at least 83 foreign nationals in boats, which involved military strikes upon 22 vessels in the Caribbean Sea and the eastern Pacific Ocean, off the coast of Venezuela. And while the White House claims it is carrying out the operations to stop narcotraffickers, the tactics being used appear to amount to mass murder.

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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 13236 Armidale Gender:	Re: Trump blows terrorists out of the water Reply #381 - Yesterday at 1:55pm Certainly. A boat can be a country. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principality_of_Sealand A Venezuelan motor-boat can fly its own flag, be independent and fire pistols at DJ Trump US Navy and Nukes. Congress declares war and invades the boat, seizing the tiller, armed forces and head of state..
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Re: Trump blows terrorists out of the water
Reply #382 - Yesterday at 2:07pm

Bobby. wrote Yesterday at 1:52pm:

greggerypeccary wrote Yesterday at 1:44pm:

Bobby. wrote Yesterday at 1:01pm:

greggerypeccary wrote Yesterday at 12:51pm:

I know you MAGA types don't like this, but I'm giving you the facts.

There is zero evidence that the boats were carrying illicit drugs.

The onus is on the Trump administration to prove the boats were transporting illicit drugs.

So far, they have presented nothing.

This isn't my opinion - it's an indisputable fact.

Again, I know you guys don't like facts but there it is.

You'll just have to deal with it.

Greggy,
it wasn't a police action - it was an act of war.

The USA has declared war on major drug traffickers.

The US Congress has declared war? Undecided

When was that? I'm curious.

I think it was an executive order.

Trump did say that the lawyers at the White House said it was legal.

Quote:

......The war on drugs, sometimes referred to in the 21st century as the war on cartels in contexts of military intervention and counterterrorism,[5][6][7] is a global anti-narcotics campaign led by the United States federal government, including drug prohibition and foreign assistance, with the aim of reducing the illegal drug trade in the US........

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_on_drugs

The USA has been in this particular "undeclared" war since about 1971.

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Re: Trump blows terrorists out of the water
Reply #383 - Yesterday at 2:08pm

Panther wrote Yesterday at 2:07pm:

Bobby. wrote Yesterday at 1:52pm:

greggerypeccary wrote Yesterday at 1:44pm:

Bobby. wrote Yesterday at 1:01pm:

greggerypeccary wrote Yesterday at 12:51pm:

I know you MAGA types don't like this, but I'm giving you the facts.

There is zero evidence that the boats were carrying illicit drugs.

The onus is on the Trump administration to prove the boats were transporting illicit drugs.

So far, they have presented nothing.

This isn't my opinion - it's an indisputable fact.

Again, I know you guys don't like facts but there it is.

You'll just have to deal with it.

Greggy,
it wasn't a police action - it was an act of war.

The USA has declared war on major drug traffickers.

The US Congress has declared war? Undecided

When was that? I'm curious.

I think it was an executive order.

Trump did say that the lawyers at the White House said it was legal.

Quote:

......The war on drugs, sometimes referred to in the 21st century as the war on cartels in contexts of military intervention and counterterrorism,[5][6][7] is a global anti-narcotics campaign led by the United States federal government, including drug prohibition and foreign assistance, with the aim of reducing the illegal drug trade in the US........

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_on_drugs

The USA has been in this particular "undeclared" war since about 1971.

So, Hegseth is committing war crimes.

Thanks for clearing that up, Panther.

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Re: Trump blows terrorists out of the water
Reply #384 - Yesterday at 2:15pm

greggerypeccary wrote Yesterday at 2:08pm:

Panther wrote Yesterday at 2:07pm:

Bobby. wrote Yesterday at 1:52pm:

greggerypeccary wrote Yesterday at 1:44pm:

Bobby. wrote Yesterday at 1:01pm:

greggerypeccary wrote Yesterday at 12:51pm:

I know you MAGA types don't like this, but I'm giving you the facts.

There is zero evidence that the boats were carrying illicit drugs.

The onus is on the Trump administration to prove the boats were transporting illicit drugs.

So far, they have presented nothing.

This isn't my opinion - it's an indisputable fact.

Again, I know you guys don't like facts but there it is.

You'll just have to deal with it.

Greggy,
it wasn't a police action - it was an act of war.

The USA has declared war on major drug traffickers.

The US Congress has declared war? Undecided

When was that? I'm curious.

I think it was an executive order.

Trump did say that the lawyers at the White House said it was legal.

Quote:

......The war on drugs, sometimes referred to in the 21st century as the war on cartels in contexts of military intervention and counterterrorism,[5][6][7] is a global anti-narcotics campaign led by the United States federal government, including drug prohibition and foreign assistance, with the aim of reducing the illegal drug trade in the US........

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_on_drugs

The USA has been in this particular "undeclared" war since about 1971.

So, Hegseth is committing war crimes.

Thanks for clearing that up, Panther.

Also check out all the "undeclared" wars the USA has been in since 1941....Vietnam War.......Korean War......etc....None were declared by Congress, so none of them were 'wars' in the 'technical' sense.

It seems that only International Courts can declare anyone, or any country, committed war crimes

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Re: Trump blows terrorists out of the water
Reply #385 - Yesterday at 2:17pm

Leroy wrote Yesterday at 1:36pm:

Karnal wrote Yesterday at 1:04pm:

You can't just use rhetoric to talk this away, dear. The US government is now ordering its military to murder people in international waters. We have the videos, we have the admission, we have the law.

If I remember rightly you also had the videos, evidence admissions, law and everything else when you were going to jail Trump for Russian collusion.

Do you get the feeling of deja vu.

Not at all. The person you so dismissively refer to as "Trump" was never prosecuted for Russian collusion, Leroy.

You may be getting him confused with his campaign chair, Paul Manafort and good buddy, Mike Flynn, appointed as the big fella's National Security Advisor.

Paul was sentenced to more than a decade in jail for a range of crimes, including money laundering for Vlad's friends.

Mike pled guilty to lying to the FBI about his collusion with the Russia's Ambassador, Sergey Kislyak. No doubt the subject of money came up in their meetings too.

As part of Mike's plea deal, the FBI dropped charges of being a Turkish agent. Mike, DL's NSA, got a regular paycheck from Erdogan's government. Mike even went so far as to plot the kidnapping of Erdogan's enemy, Fethullah Gülen, a Turkish cleric living in America.

Jared and Don Junior colluded with a Kremlin operative, who wanted the big fella to overturn the Magnitsky Act. Jared went further, plotting a communication back channel with Vlad's team. Alas, Jared and Don were too red hot to charge, so they never saw the inside of a courtroom.

So no, dear. We never mentioned jailing the big fella for Russian collusion.

You?

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Re: Trump blows terrorists out of the water
Reply #386 - Yesterday at 2:19pm

Panther wrote Yesterday at 2:15pm:

greggerypeccary wrote Yesterday at 2:08pm:

Panther wrote Yesterday at 2:07pm:

Bobby. wrote Yesterday at 1:52pm:

greggerypeccary wrote Yesterday at 1:44pm:

Bobby. wrote Yesterday at 1:01pm:

greggerypeccary wrote Yesterday at 12:51pm:

I know you MAGA types don't like this, but I'm giving you the facts.

There is zero evidence that the boats were carrying illicit drugs.

The onus is on the Trump administration to prove the boats were transporting illicit drugs.

So far, they have presented nothing.

This isn't my opinion - it's an indisputable fact.

Again, I know you guys don't like facts but there it is.

You'll just have to deal with it.

Greggy,
it wasn't a police action - it was an act of war.

The USA has declared war on major drug traffickers.

The US Congress has declared war? Undecided

When was that? I'm curious.

I think it was an executive order.

Trump did say that the lawyers at the White House said it was legal.

Quote:

......The war on drugs, sometimes referred to in the 21st century as the war on cartels in contexts of military intervention and counterterrorism,[5][6][7] is a global anti-narcotics campaign led by the United States federal government, including drug prohibition and foreign assistance, with the aim of reducing the illegal drug trade in the US........

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_on_drugs

The USA has been in this particular "undeclared" war since about 1971.

So, Hegseth is committing war crimes.

Thanks for clearing that up, Panther.

Also check out all the "undeclared" wars the USA has been in since 1941....Vietnam War.......Korean War......etc....None were declared by Congress, so none of them were 'wars' in the 'technical' sense.

Thanks again.

So, is Hegseth technically committing war crimes or just regular murder?

Which court will he eventually face once your DL is dead and buried?

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Re: Trump blows terrorists out of the water
Reply #387 - Yesterday at 2:21pm

Panther wrote Yesterday at 2:15pm:

greggerypeccary wrote Yesterday at 2:08pm:

Panther wrote Yesterday at 2:07pm:

Bobby. wrote Yesterday at 1:52pm:

greggerypeccary wrote Yesterday at 1:44pm:

Bobby. wrote Yesterday at 1:01pm:

greggerypeccary wrote Yesterday at 12:51pm:

I know you MAGA types don't like this, but I'm giving you the facts.

There is zero evidence that the boats were carrying illicit drugs.

The onus is on the Trump administration to prove the boats were transporting illicit drugs.

So far, they have presented nothing.

This isn't my opinion - it's an indisputable fact.

Again, I know you guys don't like facts but there it is.

You'll just have to deal with it.

Greggy,
it wasn't a police action - it was an act of war.

The USA has declared war on major drug traffickers.

The US Congress has declared war? Undecided

When was that? I'm curious.

I think it was an executive order.

Trump did say that the lawyers at the White House said it was legal.

Quote:

......The war on drugs, sometimes referred to in the 21st century as the war on cartels in contexts of military intervention and counterterrorism,[5][6][7] is a global anti-narcotics campaign led by the United States federal government, including drug prohibition and foreign assistance, with the aim of reducing the illegal drug trade in the US........

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_on_drugs

The USA has been in this particular "undeclared" war since about 1971.

So, Hegseth is committing war crimes.

Thanks for clearing that up, Panther.

Also check out all the "undeclared" wars the USA has been in since 1941....Vietnam War.......Korean War......etc....None were declared by Congress, so none of them were 'wars' in the 'technical' sense.

Oh, Panther, thank God you're back. They're saying all sorts of terrible things about your support for DL and his crimes.

Kindly put their deranged minds to rest. You would never support a candidate for prez indicted on a crime/s. It would be unthinkable - Hell would have to freeze over first, dear.

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Reply #388 - Yesterday at 2:32pm

greggerypeccary wrote Yesterday at 2:19pm:

Panther wrote Yesterday at 2:15pm:

greggerypeccary wrote Yesterday at 2:08pm:

Panther wrote Yesterday at 2:07pm:

Bobby. wrote Yesterday at 1:52pm:

greggerypeccary wrote Yesterday at 1:44pm:

Bobby. wrote Yesterday at 1:01pm:

greggerypeccary wrote Yesterday at 12:51pm:

I know you MAGA types don't like this, but I'm giving you the facts.

There is zero evidence that the boats were carrying illicit drugs.

The onus is on the Trump administration to prove the boats were transporting illicit drugs.

So far, they have presented nothing.

This isn't my opinion - it's an indisputable fact.

Again, I know you guys don't like facts but there it is.

You'll just have to deal with it.

Greggy,
it wasn't a police action - it was an act of war.

The USA has declared war on major drug traffickers.

The US Congress has declared war? Undecided

When was that? I'm curious.

I think it was an executive order.

Trump did say that the lawyers at the White House said it was legal.

Quote:

......The war on drugs, sometimes referred to in the 21st century as the war on cartels in contexts of military intervention and counterterrorism,[5][6][7] is a global anti-narcotics campaign led by the United States federal government, including drug prohibition and foreign assistance, with the aim of reducing the illegal drug trade in the US........

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_on_drugs

The USA has been in this particular "undeclared" war since about 1971.

So, Hegseth is committing war crimes.

Thanks for clearing that up, Panther.

Also check out all the "undeclared" wars the USA has been in since 1941....Vietnam War.......Korean War......etc....None were declared by Congress, so none of them were 'wars' in the 'technical' sense.

Thanks again.

So, is Hegseth technically committing war crimes or just regular murder?................

Quote:

............Which court will he eventually face once your DL is dead and buried?

Your guess is as good as mine........I doubt it will ever come to that....ever.....I doubt if anyone will ever be indicted for war crimes in this matter......if I'm wrong in this I would have to guess that the SCOTUS will have to determine the legality of an American Citizen being indicted for what happens due to any such "undeclared war" war crime indictments.

May I suggest you see some other opinions for further clarifications:

https://www.heritage.org/report/the-international-criminal-court-vs-the-american...

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