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greggerypeccary wrote Yesterday at 5:26pm:

Belgarion wrote Yesterday at 5:20pm:

greggerypeccary wrote Yesterday at 11:11am:

Survivors clinging to capsized boat didn’t radio for backup, admiral overseeing double-tap strike tells lawmakers

The two men killed as they floated holding onto their capsized boat in a secondary strike against a suspected drug vessel in early September did not appear to have radio or other communications devices, the top military official overseeing the strike told lawmakers on Thursday, according to three sources with direct knowledge of his congressional briefings.

As far back as September, defense officials have been quietly pushing back on criticism that killing the two survivors amounted to a war crime by arguing, in part, that they were legitimate targets because they appeared to be radioing for help or backup — reinforcements that, if they had received it, could have theoretically allowed them to continue to traffic the drugs aboard their sinking ship.

Murder - pure and simple.

I see that you, in the face of overwhelming evidence, have ceased your claim that these were not drug trafficking vessels and are now pushing the 'murder' line.

There is zero evidence to suggest the boats were carrying drugs, and there is an abundance of evidence which suggests the killings were premeditated murder.

I notice that neither you, nor the Trump administration, have offered anything in the way of evidence to support the ludicrous "drugs/fentanyl" claim lie.

You have repeated the same mantra from the beginning, yet have shown no evidence to back up your claims while demanding it from everyone else. I have explained previously that I have some knowledge of this sort of thing gained from my previous employment at Border Force, yet you refuse to accept this and anything else that does not align with your own viewpoint. Can you point us to any evidence you have that these boats are not transporting drugs and if not, what exactly are they doing?

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Reply #361 - Today at 9:05am

Karnal wrote Today at 8:32am:

you've been farmed?

The farmers get the feeling. 'Toxic residues from Agent Orange continue to persist in the soil and sediment of Vietnam in 2025, entering the food chain and impacting farming in contaminated areas, particularly around former U.S. airbases'.
'atrocities and overkill were "the American way of waging war" in Vietnam.'
https://www.vvaw.org/veteran/article/?id=2213

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chimera Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 13233 Armidale Gender:	Re: Trump blows terrorists out of the water Reply #362 - Today at 9:08am Belgarion wrote Today at 9:04am: Can you point us to any evidence you have that these boats are not transporting drugs and if not, what exactly are they doing? If they had a sign 'Drugs. a gift from Maduro to USA' on the boat, it would still be murder. Are you a Russian?
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Re: Trump blows terrorists out of the water
Reply #364 - Today at 9:18am

chimera wrote Today at 9:05am:

Karnal wrote Today at 8:32am:

you've been farmed?

The farmers get the feeling. 'Toxic residues from Agent Orange continue to persist in the soil and sediment of Vietnam in 2025, entering the food chain and impacting farming in contaminated areas, particularly around former U.S. airbases'.
'atrocities and overkill were "the American way of waging war" in Vietnam.'
https://www.vvaw.org/veteran/article/?id=2213

Know it well, son. Still get the rash from time to time.

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Reply #365 - Today at 9:25am

Belgarion wrote Today at 9:04am:

greggerypeccary wrote Yesterday at 5:26pm:

Belgarion wrote Yesterday at 5:20pm:

greggerypeccary wrote Yesterday at 11:11am:

Survivors clinging to capsized boat didn’t radio for backup, admiral overseeing double-tap strike tells lawmakers

The two men killed as they floated holding onto their capsized boat in a secondary strike against a suspected drug vessel in early September did not appear to have radio or other communications devices, the top military official overseeing the strike told lawmakers on Thursday, according to three sources with direct knowledge of his congressional briefings.

As far back as September, defense officials have been quietly pushing back on criticism that killing the two survivors amounted to a war crime by arguing, in part, that they were legitimate targets because they appeared to be radioing for help or backup — reinforcements that, if they had received it, could have theoretically allowed them to continue to traffic the drugs aboard their sinking ship.

Murder - pure and simple.

I see that you, in the face of overwhelming evidence, have ceased your claim that these were not drug trafficking vessels and are now pushing the 'murder' line.

There is zero evidence to suggest the boats were carrying drugs, and there is an abundance of evidence which suggests the killings were premeditated murder.

I notice that neither you, nor the Trump administration, have offered anything in the way of evidence to support the ludicrous "drugs/fentanyl" claim lie.

You have repeated the same mantra from the beginning, yet have shown no evidence to back up your claims while demanding it from everyone else. I have explained previously that I have some knowledge of this sort of thing gained from my previous employment at Border Force, yet you refuse to accept this and anything else that does not align with your own viewpoint. Can you point us to any evidence you have that these boats are not transporting drugs and if not, what exactly are they doing?

The onus is on the Trump administration, and you, to prove the boats were transporting illicit drugs.

Still waiting.

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Re: Trump blows terrorists out of the water
Reply #366 - Today at 9:43am

tallowood wrote Today at 9:17am:

How high were they blown out?

US Drug trafficking.
Cocaine (Schedule II) 500–4999 grams mixture. First Offense:
Not less than 5 yrs, and not more than 40 yrs.
5 kgs or more mixture First Offense: Not less than 10 yrs, and not more than life.
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So tallowood blows it out to execution. Tallowood traffic infringement: $780,000 fine, 30 years (parole 25).

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Reply #367 - Today at 11:27am

Leroy wrote on Sep 4^th, 2025 at 2:12pm:

Lefties will hate this.

The problem is the 'free enterprise' US ("in God we trust") doesn't like 'socialist' leftist movements, especially in Latin America.

But why are there leftist governments in Latin America?

Hint: eg, Hugo Cavez was elected by popular vote because of widespread poverty:

(google)

Hugo Chávez was elected in 1998 due to widespread disillusionment with Venezuela's traditional corrupt political parties, severe poverty, inflation, and public desire for an alternative focused on social programs, anti-elitism, and a new constitution. His populist campaign promised to fight corruption, redistribute oil wealth, and empower the poor, resonating with a populace suffering from economic decline

The collapse of global oil prices destroyed Chavez' attempt to reduce poverty, and
American sanctions entrench the poverty to this day.

Deplorable.

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Reply #368 - Today at 12:45pm

greggerypeccary wrote Today at 9:25am:

Belgarion wrote Today at 9:04am:

greggerypeccary wrote Yesterday at 5:26pm:

Belgarion wrote Yesterday at 5:20pm:

greggerypeccary wrote Yesterday at 11:11am:

Survivors clinging to capsized boat didn’t radio for backup, admiral overseeing double-tap strike tells lawmakers

The two men killed as they floated holding onto their capsized boat in a secondary strike against a suspected drug vessel in early September did not appear to have radio or other communications devices, the top military official overseeing the strike told lawmakers on Thursday, according to three sources with direct knowledge of his congressional briefings.

As far back as September, defense officials have been quietly pushing back on criticism that killing the two survivors amounted to a war crime by arguing, in part, that they were legitimate targets because they appeared to be radioing for help or backup — reinforcements that, if they had received it, could have theoretically allowed them to continue to traffic the drugs aboard their sinking ship.

Murder - pure and simple.

I see that you, in the face of overwhelming evidence, have ceased your claim that these were not drug trafficking vessels and are now pushing the 'murder' line.

There is zero evidence to suggest the boats were carrying drugs, and there is an abundance of evidence which suggests the killings were premeditated murder.

I notice that neither you, nor the Trump administration, have offered anything in the way of evidence to support the ludicrous "drugs/fentanyl" claim lie.

You have repeated the same mantra from the beginning, yet have shown no evidence to back up your claims while demanding it from everyone else. I have explained previously that I have some knowledge of this sort of thing gained from my previous employment at Border Force, yet you refuse to accept this and anything else that does not align with your own viewpoint. Can you point us to any evidence you have that these boats are not transporting drugs and if not, what exactly are they doing?

The onus is on the Trump administration, and you, to prove the boats were transporting illicit drugs.

Still waiting.

So you have nothing to bring to this discussion except your deranged hatred of Trump, which infects almost every post you make on this forum.

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Re: Trump blows terrorists out of the water
Reply #369 - Today at 12:51pm

Belgarion wrote Today at 12:45pm:

greggerypeccary wrote Today at 9:25am:

Belgarion wrote Today at 9:04am:

greggerypeccary wrote Yesterday at 5:26pm:

Belgarion wrote Yesterday at 5:20pm:

greggerypeccary wrote Yesterday at 11:11am:

Survivors clinging to capsized boat didn’t radio for backup, admiral overseeing double-tap strike tells lawmakers

The two men killed as they floated holding onto their capsized boat in a secondary strike against a suspected drug vessel in early September did not appear to have radio or other communications devices, the top military official overseeing the strike told lawmakers on Thursday, according to three sources with direct knowledge of his congressional briefings.

As far back as September, defense officials have been quietly pushing back on criticism that killing the two survivors amounted to a war crime by arguing, in part, that they were legitimate targets because they appeared to be radioing for help or backup — reinforcements that, if they had received it, could have theoretically allowed them to continue to traffic the drugs aboard their sinking ship.

Murder - pure and simple.

I see that you, in the face of overwhelming evidence, have ceased your claim that these were not drug trafficking vessels and are now pushing the 'murder' line.

There is zero evidence to suggest the boats were carrying drugs, and there is an abundance of evidence which suggests the killings were premeditated murder.

I notice that neither you, nor the Trump administration, have offered anything in the way of evidence to support the ludicrous "drugs/fentanyl" claim lie.

You have repeated the same mantra from the beginning, yet have shown no evidence to back up your claims while demanding it from everyone else. I have explained previously that I have some knowledge of this sort of thing gained from my previous employment at Border Force, yet you refuse to accept this and anything else that does not align with your own viewpoint. Can you point us to any evidence you have that these boats are not transporting drugs and if not, what exactly are they doing?

The onus is on the Trump administration, and you, to prove the boats were transporting illicit drugs.

Still waiting.

So you have nothing to bring to this discussion except your deranged hatred of Trump, which infects almost every post you make on this forum.

I know you MAGA types don't like this, but I'm giving you the facts.

There is zero evidence that the boats were carrying illicit drugs.

The onus is on the Trump administration to prove the boats were transporting illicit drugs.

So far, they have presented nothing.

This isn't my opinion - it's an indisputable fact.

Again, I know you guys don't like facts but there it is.

You'll just have to deal with it.

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Reply #370 - Today at 1:01pm

greggerypeccary wrote Today at 12:51pm:

I know you MAGA types don't like this, but I'm giving you the facts.

There is zero evidence that the boats were carrying illicit drugs.

The onus is on the Trump administration to prove the boats were transporting illicit drugs.

So far, they have presented nothing.

This isn't my opinion - it's an indisputable fact.

Again, I know you guys don't like facts but there it is.

You'll just have to deal with it.

Greggy,
it wasn't a police action - it was an act of war.

The USA has declared war on major drug traffickers.

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Reply #371 - Today at 1:04pm

Belgarion wrote Today at 12:45pm:

greggerypeccary wrote Today at 9:25am:

Belgarion wrote Today at 9:04am:

greggerypeccary wrote Yesterday at 5:26pm:

Belgarion wrote Yesterday at 5:20pm:

greggerypeccary wrote Yesterday at 11:11am:

Survivors clinging to capsized boat didn’t radio for backup, admiral overseeing double-tap strike tells lawmakers

The two men killed as they floated holding onto their capsized boat in a secondary strike against a suspected drug vessel in early September did not appear to have radio or other communications devices, the top military official overseeing the strike told lawmakers on Thursday, according to three sources with direct knowledge of his congressional briefings.

As far back as September, defense officials have been quietly pushing back on criticism that killing the two survivors amounted to a war crime by arguing, in part, that they were legitimate targets because they appeared to be radioing for help or backup — reinforcements that, if they had received it, could have theoretically allowed them to continue to traffic the drugs aboard their sinking ship.

Murder - pure and simple.

I see that you, in the face of overwhelming evidence, have ceased your claim that these were not drug trafficking vessels and are now pushing the 'murder' line.

There is zero evidence to suggest the boats were carrying drugs, and there is an abundance of evidence which suggests the killings were premeditated murder.

I notice that neither you, nor the Trump administration, have offered anything in the way of evidence to support the ludicrous "drugs/fentanyl" claim lie.

You have repeated the same mantra from the beginning, yet have shown no evidence to back up your claims while demanding it from everyone else. I have explained previously that I have some knowledge of this sort of thing gained from my previous employment at Border Force, yet you refuse to accept this and anything else that does not align with your own viewpoint. Can you point us to any evidence you have that these boats are not transporting drugs and if not, what exactly are they doing?

The onus is on the Trump administration, and you, to prove the boats were transporting illicit drugs.

Still waiting.

So you have nothing to bring to this discussion except your deranged hatred of Trump, which infects almost every post you make on this forum.

You can't just use rhetoric to talk this away, dear. The US government is now ordering its military to murder people in international waters. We have the videos, we have the admission, we have the law.

Perhaps more than any of that, we have the code used by seamen for millennia, used even in times of war which this is not. Survivors are always rescued, no matter what.

So, if you're okay with all this, now's the time to come clean.

You're fine with the world's most powerful military killing survivors to save them the hassle of rescuing them.

Admit it.

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Reply #372 - Today at 1:18pm

Bobby. wrote Today at 1:01pm:

greggerypeccary wrote Today at 12:51pm:

I know you MAGA types don't like this, but I'm giving you the facts.

There is zero evidence that the boats were carrying illicit drugs.

The onus is on the Trump administration to prove the boats were transporting illicit drugs.

So far, they have presented nothing.

This isn't my opinion - it's an indisputable fact.

Again, I know you guys don't like facts but there it is.

You'll just have to deal with it.

Greggy,
it wasn't a police action - it was an act of war.

The USA has declared war on major drug traffickers.

A war is a military conflict carried out by sovereign states, under the Law of War.

If the US was at war, Pete would be subject to prosecution for a war crime.

As it stands, Pete's action is subject to the criminal codes of three jurisdictions: Venezuela, Colombia and the US. He is almost certain to be prosecuted in the US once the administration changes hands, unless he receives a presidential pardon.

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Reply #373 - Today at 1:21pm

Karnal wrote Today at 1:18pm:

Bobby. wrote Today at 1:01pm:

greggerypeccary wrote Today at 12:51pm:

I know you MAGA types don't like this, but I'm giving you the facts.

There is zero evidence that the boats were carrying illicit drugs.

The onus is on the Trump administration to prove the boats were transporting illicit drugs.

So far, they have presented nothing.

This isn't my opinion - it's an indisputable fact.

Again, I know you guys don't like facts but there it is.

You'll just have to deal with it.

Greggy,
it wasn't a police action - it was an act of war.

The USA has declared war on major drug traffickers.

A war is a military conflict carried out by sovereign states, under the Law of War.

If the US was at war, Pete would be subject to prosecution for a war crime.

As it stands, Pete's action is subject to the criminal codes of three jurisdictions: Venezuela, Colombia and the US. He is almost certain to be prosecuted in the US once the administration changes hands, unless he receives a presidential pardon.

Pete is a drunk - he didn't know what he was doing.

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Reply #374 - Today at 1:36pm

Karnal wrote Today at 1:04pm:

You can't just use rhetoric to talk this away, dear. The US government is now ordering its military to murder people in international waters. We have the videos, we have the admission, we have the law.

If I remember rightly you also had the videos, evidence admissions, law and everything else when you were going to jail Trump for Russian collusion.

Do you get the feeling of deja vu.

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