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Aug 31st, 2025 at 12:40pm
 
This case shows just how out of step with reality our judiciary is when it comes to young offenders and why politicians need to act to protect the community they are supposed to serve.

A 16 year-old who was cleared of murdering a teenager in 2022 because of his young age (the offender was 13 at the time) despite footage showing him stomping on the victim’s head repeatedly while others stabbed him and returning to stomp on his unconscious body a second time after the first frenzied attack ended has been caught again taking part in a vicious home invasion. This time, he has been charged with aggravated home invasion with a firearm, intentionally causing serious injury in circumstances of gross violence, reckless conduct endangering life and committing an indictable offence while on bail.

So not only did the Supreme Court Justice find in 2023 that there was “reasonable probability (the boy) did not know (his) conduct was seriously wrong in a moral sense”, he has now been caught offending again - while on bail! How can anyone come to the conclusion that a 13 year-old doesn't know that stomping on someone's head repeatedly while others stabbed them and then return to stomp on the unconscious body a second time after the first frenzied attack ended is wrong? My seven year-old son knows doing such a thing is completely and utterly wrong. There's no way in the world he didn't know what he was doing was wrong.

The law needs to be changed to lower the age for which young people can be tried for these crimes. Maybe it needs to be as low as 11 or 12 years of age. Perhaps even ten. I read an article recently in which these young people brag on social media about getting away with crimes because of "doli incapax". It is the common law in NSW that presumes children between the ages of 10 and 14 lack the criminal intent necessary for criminal responsibility for which this teenager owed his freedom back in 2023.

https://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/crime/mother-of-melbourne-teen-stabbed...
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Reply #1 - Aug 31st, 2025 at 11:33pm
 
This dolly seems pretty incapax:-

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Reply #2 - Sep 1st, 2025 at 7:01pm
 
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Aug 31st, 2025 at 11:33pm:
This dolly seems pretty incapax:-



All you have to say about this is a lame attempt at humour? What if it was your loved one who was murdered?
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Reply #3 - Sep 1st, 2025 at 8:49pm
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 31st, 2025 at 12:40pm:
This case shows just how out of step with reality our judiciary is when it comes to young offenders and why politicians need to act to protect the community they are supposed to serve.

A 16 year-old who was cleared of murdering a teenager in 2022 because of his young age (the offender was 13 at the time) despite footage showing him stomping on the victim’s head repeatedly while others stabbed him and returning to stomp on his unconscious body a second time after the first frenzied attack ended has been caught again taking part in a vicious home invasion. This time, he has been charged with aggravated home invasion with a firearm, intentionally causing serious injury in circumstances of gross violence, reckless conduct endangering life and committing an indictable offence while on bail.

So not only did the Supreme Court Justice find in 2023 that there was “reasonable probability (the boy) did not know (his) conduct was seriously wrong in a moral sense”, he has now been caught offending again - while on bail! How can anyone come to the conclusion that a 13 year-old doesn't know that stomping on someone's head repeatedly while others stabbed them and then return to stomp on the unconscious body a second time after the first frenzied attack ended is wrong? My seven year-old son knows doing such a thing is completely and utterly wrong. There's no way in the world he didn't know what he was doing was wrong.

The law needs to be changed to lower the age for which young people can be tried for these crimes. Maybe it needs to be as low as 11 or 12 years of age. Perhaps even ten. I read an article recently in which these young people brag on social media about getting away with crimes because of "doli incapax". It is the common law in NSW that presumes children between the ages of 10 and 14 lack the criminal intent necessary for criminal responsibility for which this teenager owed his freedom back in 2023.

https://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/crime/mother-of-melbourne-teen-stabbed...

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'Welsh choir' doli of 17.

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Reply #4 - Sep 2nd, 2025 at 5:54am
 
Frank wrote on Sep 1st, 2025 at 8:49pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 31st, 2025 at 12:40pm:
This case shows just how out of step with reality our judiciary is when it comes to young offenders and why politicians need to act to protect the community they are supposed to serve.

A 16 year-old who was cleared of murdering a teenager in 2022 because of his young age (the offender was 13 at the time) despite footage showing him stomping on the victim’s head repeatedly while others stabbed him and returning to stomp on his unconscious body a second time after the first frenzied attack ended has been caught again taking part in a vicious home invasion. This time, he has been charged with aggravated home invasion with a firearm, intentionally causing serious injury in circumstances of gross violence, reckless conduct endangering life and committing an indictable offence while on bail.

So not only did the Supreme Court Justice find in 2023 that there was “reasonable probability (the boy) did not know (his) conduct was seriously wrong in a moral sense”, he has now been caught offending again - while on bail! How can anyone come to the conclusion that a 13 year-old doesn't know that stomping on someone's head repeatedly while others stabbed them and then return to stomp on the unconscious body a second time after the first frenzied attack ended is wrong? My seven year-old son knows doing such a thing is completely and utterly wrong. There's no way in the world he didn't know what he was doing was wrong.

The law needs to be changed to lower the age for which young people can be tried for these crimes. Maybe it needs to be as low as 11 or 12 years of age. Perhaps even ten. I read an article recently in which these young people brag on social media about getting away with crimes because of "doli incapax". It is the common law in NSW that presumes children between the ages of 10 and 14 lack the criminal intent necessary for criminal responsibility for which this teenager owed his freedom back in 2023.

https://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/crime/mother-of-melbourne-teen-stabbed...

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'Welsh choir' doli of 17.



Except this isn't Melbourne, it's Sydney. Also, the offender isn't a black immigrant, he's white.
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Reply #5 - Sep 2nd, 2025 at 7:14am
 
Not to be confused with stoli incapax - when you have drunk too much vodka.
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Reply #6 - Sep 2nd, 2025 at 7:27am
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 2nd, 2025 at 5:54am:
Frank wrote on Sep 1st, 2025 at 8:49pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 31st, 2025 at 12:40pm:
This case shows just how out of step with reality our judiciary is when it comes to young offenders and why politicians need to act to protect the community they are supposed to serve.

A 16 year-old who was cleared of murdering a teenager in 2022 because of his young age (the offender was 13 at the time) despite footage showing him stomping on the victim’s head repeatedly while others stabbed him and returning to stomp on his unconscious body a second time after the first frenzied attack ended has been caught again taking part in a vicious home invasion. This time, he has been charged with aggravated home invasion with a firearm, intentionally causing serious injury in circumstances of gross violence, reckless conduct endangering life and committing an indictable offence while on bail.

So not only did the Supreme Court Justice find in 2023 that there was “reasonable probability (the boy) did not know (his) conduct was seriously wrong in a moral sense”, he has now been caught offending again - while on bail! How can anyone come to the conclusion that a 13 year-old doesn't know that stomping on someone's head repeatedly while others stabbed them and then return to stomp on the unconscious body a second time after the first frenzied attack ended is wrong? My seven year-old son knows doing such a thing is completely and utterly wrong. There's no way in the world he didn't know what he was doing was wrong.

The law needs to be changed to lower the age for which young people can be tried for these crimes. Maybe it needs to be as low as 11 or 12 years of age. Perhaps even ten. I read an article recently in which these young people brag on social media about getting away with crimes because of "doli incapax". It is the common law in NSW that presumes children between the ages of 10 and 14 lack the criminal intent necessary for criminal responsibility for which this teenager owed his freedom back in 2023.

https://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/crime/mother-of-melbourne-teen-stabbed...

https://quadrant.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2025/08/rudabanka.png

'Welsh choir' doli of 17.



Except this isn't Melbourne, it's Sydney. Also, the offender isn't a black immigrant, he's white.

Wacism.
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Reply #7 - Sep 2nd, 2025 at 7:37am
 
Frank wrote on Sep 2nd, 2025 at 7:27am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 2nd, 2025 at 5:54am:
Frank wrote on Sep 1st, 2025 at 8:49pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 31st, 2025 at 12:40pm:
This case shows just how out of step with reality our judiciary is when it comes to young offenders and why politicians need to act to protect the community they are supposed to serve.

A 16 year-old who was cleared of murdering a teenager in 2022 because of his young age (the offender was 13 at the time) despite footage showing him stomping on the victim’s head repeatedly while others stabbed him and returning to stomp on his unconscious body a second time after the first frenzied attack ended has been caught again taking part in a vicious home invasion. This time, he has been charged with aggravated home invasion with a firearm, intentionally causing serious injury in circumstances of gross violence, reckless conduct endangering life and committing an indictable offence while on bail.

So not only did the Supreme Court Justice find in 2023 that there was “reasonable probability (the boy) did not know (his) conduct was seriously wrong in a moral sense”, he has now been caught offending again - while on bail! How can anyone come to the conclusion that a 13 year-old doesn't know that stomping on someone's head repeatedly while others stabbed them and then return to stomp on the unconscious body a second time after the first frenzied attack ended is wrong? My seven year-old son knows doing such a thing is completely and utterly wrong. There's no way in the world he didn't know what he was doing was wrong.

The law needs to be changed to lower the age for which young people can be tried for these crimes. Maybe it needs to be as low as 11 or 12 years of age. Perhaps even ten. I read an article recently in which these young people brag on social media about getting away with crimes because of "doli incapax". It is the common law in NSW that presumes children between the ages of 10 and 14 lack the criminal intent necessary for criminal responsibility for which this teenager owed his freedom back in 2023.

https://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/crime/mother-of-melbourne-teen-stabbed...

https://quadrant.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2025/08/rudabanka.png

'Welsh choir' doli of 17.



Except this isn't Melbourne, it's Sydney. Also, the offender isn't a black immigrant, he's white.

Wacism.


No, simple facts.
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Reply #8 - Sep 2nd, 2025 at 8:24am
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 2nd, 2025 at 7:37am:
No, simple facts.


Trump is advocating the same thing.


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Reply #9 - Sep 2nd, 2025 at 9:18am
 
Leroy wrote on Sep 2nd, 2025 at 8:24am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 2nd, 2025 at 7:37am:
No, simple facts.


Trump is advocating the same thing.




He really isn't.
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Reply #10 - Sep 2nd, 2025 at 11:10am
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 2nd, 2025 at 9:18am:
Leroy wrote on Sep 2nd, 2025 at 8:24am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 2nd, 2025 at 7:37am:
No, simple facts.


Trump is advocating the same thing.




He really isn't.

What IS the difference then?



Gangs are using under-age, juvenile thugs precisely because the leniency of the legal system.
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Reply #11 - Sep 2nd, 2025 at 12:09pm
 
Frank wrote on Sep 2nd, 2025 at 11:10am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 2nd, 2025 at 9:18am:
Leroy wrote on Sep 2nd, 2025 at 8:24am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 2nd, 2025 at 7:37am:
No, simple facts.


Trump is advocating the same thing.




He really isn't.

What IS the difference then?



Gangs are using under-age, juvenile thugs precisely because the leniency of the legal system.


Trump is doing this for two reasons only, neither of which is related to crime in any way. Cause trouble for Democrat governors and mayors and to distract from the Epstein files. He couldn’t care less about crime. If he did, he’d have sent the National Guard to Louisiana first, which has a murder rate nearly four times higher than California. He hasn’t done so because that’s where Speaker Johnson (a Republican) is from.
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Reply #12 - Sep 2nd, 2025 at 3:36pm
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 31st, 2025 at 12:40pm:
This case shows just how out of step with reality our judiciary is when it comes to young offenders and why politicians need to act to protect the community they are supposed to serve.

A 16 year-old who was cleared of murdering a teenager in 2022 because of his young age (the offender was 13 at the time) despite footage showing him stomping on the victim’s head repeatedly while others stabbed him and returning to stomp on his unconscious body a second time after the first frenzied attack ended has been caught again taking part in a vicious home invasion. This time, he has been charged with aggravated home invasion with a firearm, intentionally causing serious injury in circumstances of gross violence, reckless conduct endangering life and committing an indictable offence while on bail.

So not only did the Supreme Court Justice find in 2023 that there was “reasonable probability (the boy) did not know (his) conduct was seriously wrong in a moral sense”, he has now been caught offending again - while on bail! How can anyone come to the conclusion that a 13 year-old doesn't know that stomping on someone's head repeatedly while others stabbed them and then return to stomp on the unconscious body a second time after the first frenzied attack ended is wrong? My seven year-old son knows doing such a thing is completely and utterly wrong. There's no way in the world he didn't know what he was doing was wrong.

The law needs to be changed to lower the age for which young people can be tried for these crimes. Maybe it needs to be as low as 11 or 12 years of age. Perhaps even ten. I read an article recently in which these young people brag on social media about getting away with crimes because of "doli incapax". It is the common law in NSW that presumes children between the ages of 10 and 14 lack the criminal intent necessary for criminal responsibility for which this teenager owed his freedom back in 2023.

https://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/crime/mother-of-melbourne-teen-stabbed...


Supreme Court Justice Rita Incerti found in 2023 that despite the criminal age of responsibility being 10 in Victoria, there was a “reasonable probability (the boy) did not know (his) conduct was seriously wrong in a moral sense”.

The teen “cannot be found guilty of murder or the alternative charge of manslaughter”, she ruled.

Reasonable probability?  Reasonable?   Angry

This judge doesn't have a clue.  These thugs are wised up street kids and know exactly what they're doing.  And knowing full well that the idiots in the court system will let them off time and time again.  This kid had 44 prior charges!

And why aren't the parents in the dock with their kids? 

It seems that everyone who could do something to ensure the safety and welfare of the public has abrogated their duty.  We're on our own when it comes to home invading thugs and murderers.   Angry
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Reply #13 - Sep 2nd, 2025 at 3:50pm
 
Aquarius wrote on Sep 2nd, 2025 at 3:36pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 31st, 2025 at 12:40pm:
This case shows just how out of step with reality our judiciary is when it comes to young offenders and why politicians need to act to protect the community they are supposed to serve.

A 16 year-old who was cleared of murdering a teenager in 2022 because of his young age (the offender was 13 at the time) despite footage showing him stomping on the victim’s head repeatedly while others stabbed him and returning to stomp on his unconscious body a second time after the first frenzied attack ended has been caught again taking part in a vicious home invasion. This time, he has been charged with aggravated home invasion with a firearm, intentionally causing serious injury in circumstances of gross violence, reckless conduct endangering life and committing an indictable offence while on bail.

So not only did the Supreme Court Justice find in 2023 that there was “reasonable probability (the boy) did not know (his) conduct was seriously wrong in a moral sense”, he has now been caught offending again - while on bail! How can anyone come to the conclusion that a 13 year-old doesn't know that stomping on someone's head repeatedly while others stabbed them and then return to stomp on the unconscious body a second time after the first frenzied attack ended is wrong? My seven year-old son knows doing such a thing is completely and utterly wrong. There's no way in the world he didn't know what he was doing was wrong.

The law needs to be changed to lower the age for which young people can be tried for these crimes. Maybe it needs to be as low as 11 or 12 years of age. Perhaps even ten. I read an article recently in which these young people brag on social media about getting away with crimes because of "doli incapax". It is the common law in NSW that presumes children between the ages of 10 and 14 lack the criminal intent necessary for criminal responsibility for which this teenager owed his freedom back in 2023.

https://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/crime/mother-of-melbourne-teen-stabbed...


Supreme Court Justice Rita Incerti found in 2023 that despite the criminal age of responsibility being 10 in Victoria, there was a “reasonable probability (the boy) did not know (his) conduct was seriously wrong in a moral sense”.

The teen “cannot be found guilty of murder or the alternative charge of manslaughter”, she ruled.

Reasonable probability?  Reasonable?   Angry

This judge doesn't have a clue.  These thugs are wised up street kids and know exactly what they're doing.  And knowing full well that the idiots in the court system will let them off time and time again.  This kid had 44 prior charges!

And why aren't the parents in the dock with their kids? 

It seems that everyone who could do something to ensure the safety and welfare of the public has abrogated their duty.  We're on our own when it comes to home invading thugs and murderers.   Angry



Child labour, like colonialism, ended too soon.
Send them down the mines for 12 hour shifts, 6 days a week. That'd get their jiggles out.



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Reply #14 - Sep 2nd, 2025 at 4:33pm
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 2nd, 2025 at 12:09pm:
Frank wrote on Sep 2nd, 2025 at 11:10am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 2nd, 2025 at 9:18am:
Leroy wrote on Sep 2nd, 2025 at 8:24am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 2nd, 2025 at 7:37am:
No, simple facts.


Trump is advocating the same thing.




He really isn't.

What IS the difference then?



Gangs are using under-age, juvenile thugs precisely because the leniency of the legal system.


Trump is doing this for two reasons only, neither of which is related to crime in any way. Cause trouble for Democrat governors and mayors and to distract from the Epstein files. He couldn’t care less about crime. If he did, he’d have sent the National Guard to Louisiana first, which has a murder rate nearly four times higher than California. He hasn’t done so because that’s where Speaker Johnson (a Republican) is from.


Correct.

And why would he?

He's a convicted criminal himself.

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