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Reply #30 - Aug 8th, 2025 at 12:12pm
 
Part 3.

**Mischaracterisation of Kennedy’s Claims as “Lies”**
Lack of Specific Evidence Against Kennedy:
The FactCheck.org article and other sources label Kennedy’s claims as “false” but fail to provide specific data refuting his assertion about mRNA’s limitations against upper respiratory infections.
While studies show mRNA vaccines reduced severe outcomes, they confirm weaker protection against infection, aligning with Kennedy’s point.
The accusation of “lies” seems more rhetorical than substantive, as it sidesteps the nuance of his critique.

**Scientific Debate, Not Denialism**
Kennedy’s decision is framed as anti-science, yet his call for “safer, broader platforms” suggests a preference for scientific diversification, not rejection.
Critics like Dr. Michael Osterholm call the move “dangerous,”  Cheesy but they don’t address the potential benefits of exploring alternatives like whole-virus vaccines, which have a proven track record in diseases like polio.

**Broader Implications for Pandemic Preparedness**
Overreliance on mRNA:
The heavy focus on mRNA during the COVID-19 pandemic may have sidelined other platforms that could be more effective against future threats, such as H5N1 bird flu. Kennedy’s decision to fund alternatives could mitigate this risk, ensuring the U.S. isn’t dependent on a single technology that struggles with rapidly mutating viruses.

**Counter to Establishment Narrative**
Experts warn that cutting mRNA funding weakens biosecurity, citing its rapid development potential. However, this assumes mRNA is uniquely capable, ignoring the fact that traditional vaccines, like those for influenza, have been effective with slower timelines.

Kennedy’s shift could foster innovation in underfunded areas, potentially strengthening long-term preparedness.

Rebuttal to Specific Claims in the FactCheck.org Article
The FactCheck.org article asserts that Kennedy’s claims are false because mRNA vaccines saved millions of lives and are effective against severe COVID-19.

**Influenza Promise**
The claim that mRNA vaccines “show promise against influenza” is speculative, as no mRNA flu vaccine is currently approved. Terminating redundant or unproven projects to focus on established platforms is a pragmatic decision, not a lie.
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Reply #31 - Aug 8th, 2025 at 2:19pm
 
Frank wrote on Aug 8th, 2025 at 10:35am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 8th, 2025 at 10:16am:
Is your TDS so severe you can’t bring yourself to admit that Trump did suggest injecting disinfectant was something to do? Here’s a video for you where you can see him suggest it as clear as day. It really can’t be argued that he didn’t say it because he clearly and unambiguously did!!!



He was talking about the various medical methods discussed by the previous speaker, Bill Bryan.  He was at every step checking with him, saying you are going to test that, you are going to examine it.  To characterise this clip as Trump saying you should inject bleach is a totally stupid, malicious wilful misrepresentation.


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Bill Bryan: (27:22) We worked with John Hopkins' applied physics lab and we actually developed a larger drum to actually do more testing and it's four times the size of that. So, this is the capability that we bring to this effort. So, in summary, within the conditions we've tested today, the virus in droplets of saliva survives best in indoors and dry conditions. The virus does not survive as well in droplets of saliva, and that's important because a lot of testing being done is not necessarily being done, number one, with the COVID-19 virus and number two, in saliva or respiratory fluids. And thirdly, the virus dies the quickest in the presence of direct sunlight under these conditions. And when you look at that chart, look at the aerosol as you breathe it, you put it in a room, 70 to 75 degrees, 20% humidity, low humidity. Half-life is about an hour, but you get outside and it cuts down to a minute and a half. Very significant difference when it gets hit with UV rays. Mr. president, while there are many unknown links in the COVID-19 transmission chain, we believe these trends can support practical decision making to lower the risks associated with the virus. If I could have my next slide and while that comes up, you'll see a number of some practical applications.

Bill Bryan: (28:34) For example, increasing the temperature and humidity of potentially contaminated indoor spaces appears to reduce the stability of the virus, and extra care may be warranted for dry environments that do not have exposure to solar light. We're also testing disinfectants readily available. We've tested bleach, we've tested isopropyl alcohol on the virus specifically in saliva or in respiratory fluids and I can tell you that bleach will kill the virus in five minutes. Isopropyl alcohol will kill the virus in 30 seconds and that's with no manipulation, no rubbing. Just bring it on and leaving it go. You rub it and it goes away even faster. We're also looking at other disinfectants, specifically looking at the COVID-19 virus in saliva. This is not the end of our work. As we continue to characterize this virus and integrate our findings into practical applications to mitigate exposure and transmission. I would like to thank the president, thank the vice president for their ongoing support and leadership to the department and for their work in addressing this pandemic. I would also like to thank the scientists not only in S and T and the NBAC, but to the larger scientific and R and D community. Thank you very much.

Donald Trump: (29:46) A question that probably some of you are thinking of if you're totally into that world, which I find to be very interesting. So, supposedly we hit the body with a tremendous, whether it's ultraviolet or just very powerful light, and I think you said that hasn't been checked, but you're going to test it. And then I said supposing you brought the light inside the body, which you can do either through the skin or in some other way. And I think you said you're going to test that too. Sounds interesting, right?
And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in one minute. And is there a way we can do something like that by injection inside or almost a cleaning because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it'd be interesting to check that so that you're going to have to use medical doctors with, but it sounds interesting to me.
So, we'll see, but the whole concept of the light, the way it kills it in one minute. That's pretty powerful. Steve, please.

Steve: (30:50) You said that the country will be in a better place by early summer. Does that mean you're going to need to extend the social distancing guidelines until then?

Donald Trump: (30:57) Well, we may and we may go beyond that. We're going to have to see where it is and I think people are going to know. You're going to know, I'm going to know. I think people are going to know just out of common sense, at some point we won't have to do that, but until we feel it's safe, we're going to be extending.
etc, etc

https://www.rev.com/transcripts/donald-trump-coronavirus-press-conference-transcript-april-23


You numpties rely almost entirely on hostile bloggers and youtubers to do the 'thinking' for you. Ludicrous, malicious, idiiotic.  But you love it, it let's you scrarch away at your dermatillomania Trumpia.



I highlighted and bolded the relevant part where Trump talks about injecting disinfectant into people's veins. He said it - stop lying!!!
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Reply #32 - Aug 8th, 2025 at 3:04pm
 
Bryan, 2 minutes earlier:


We're also testing disinfectants readily available. We've tested bleach, we've tested isopropyl alcohol on the virus specifically in saliva or in respiratory fluids and I can tell you that bleach will kill the virus in five minutes. Isopropyl alcohol will kill the virus in 30 seconds and that's with no manipulation, no rubbing. Just bring it on and leaving it go.
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I included that from the transcript to show that Trump was repeating the official advice from the relevant government department spokesthingy. Don't ignore it.
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Reply #33 - Aug 8th, 2025 at 3:23pm
 
Frank wrote on Aug 8th, 2025 at 3:04pm:
Bryan, 2 minutes earlier:


We're also testing disinfectants readily available. We've tested bleach, we've tested isopropyl alcohol on the virus specifically in saliva or in respiratory fluids and I can tell you that bleach will kill the virus in five minutes. Isopropyl alcohol will kill the virus in 30 seconds and that's with no manipulation, no rubbing. Just bring it on and leaving it go.
Etc

I included that from the transcript to show that Trump was repeating the official advice from the relevant government department spokesthingy. Don't ignore it.


WOW, I am genuinely shocked at the depth of your TDS!!! You are still incapable of accepting the truth - that Trump suggested injecting people with disinfectant, an act that would kill them. He's on video saying it clear as day. I am lost for words at the colossal nature of your stupidity and ignorance. Please, do humanity a favour and don't breed.
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Reply #34 - Aug 8th, 2025 at 3:30pm
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 8th, 2025 at 3:23pm:
Frank wrote on Aug 8th, 2025 at 3:04pm:
Bryan, 2 minutes earlier:


We're also testing disinfectants readily available. We've tested bleach, we've tested isopropyl alcohol on the virus specifically in saliva or in respiratory fluids and I can tell you that bleach will kill the virus in five minutes. Isopropyl alcohol will kill the virus in 30 seconds and that's with no manipulation, no rubbing. Just bring it on and leaving it go.
Etc

I included that from the transcript to show that Trump was repeating the official advice from the relevant government department spokesthingy. Don't ignore it.


WOW, I am genuinely shocked at the depth of your TDS!!! You are still incapable of accepting the truth - that Trump suggested injecting people with disinfectant, an act that would kill them. He's on video saying it clear as day. I am lost for words at the colossal nature of your stupidity and ignorance. Please, do humanity a favour and don't breed.


Don't even bother...
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Reply #35 - Aug 8th, 2025 at 3:32pm
 
Well he's no Medical expert. It's not why he became President and sadly for him, he was sabotaged by Fauci who feed him Bullshyte from the start and then scurried away to the Democrats after the damage was done.
Fauci's first official report to Trump about the Corona breakout in China was "Nothing to worry about".
So blame Fauci, the so-called leading health expert, not Trump or any other Political figure.
Medical is not Politics forte.
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Reply #36 - Aug 8th, 2025 at 4:24pm
 
Jasin wrote on Aug 8th, 2025 at 3:32pm:
Well he's no Medical expert.


No.

He's a roadkill-eating, anti-science lunatic.

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Reply #37 - Aug 8th, 2025 at 4:45pm
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 8th, 2025 at 3:23pm:
Frank wrote on Aug 8th, 2025 at 3:04pm:
Bryan, 2 minutes earlier:


We're also testing disinfectants readily available. We've tested bleach, we've tested isopropyl alcohol on the virus specifically in saliva or in respiratory fluids and I can tell you that bleach will kill the virus in five minutes. Isopropyl alcohol will kill the virus in 30 seconds and that's with no manipulation, no rubbing. Just bring it on and leaving it go.
Etc

I included that from the transcript to show that Trump was repeating the official advice from the relevant government department spokesthingy. Don't ignore it.


WOW, I am genuinely shocked at the depth of your TDS!!! You are still incapable of accepting the truth - that Trump suggested injecting people with disinfectant, an act that would kill them. He's on video saying it clear as day. I am lost for words at the colossal nature of your stupidity and ignorance. Please, do humanity a favour and don't breed.

He is asking a question after the official brought it up as one of the avenues being explored.




"Is there ... it would be interesting to check ".

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Reply #38 - Aug 8th, 2025 at 5:33pm
 
Jasin wrote on Aug 8th, 2025 at 3:32pm:
Well he's no Medical expert. It's not why he became President and sadly for him, he was sabotaged by Fauci who feed him Bullshyte from the start and then scurried away to the Democrats after the damage was done.
Fauci's first official report to Trump about the Corona breakout in China was "Nothing to worry about".
So blame Fauci, the so-called leading health expert, not Trump or any other Political figure.
Medical is not Politics forte.


Fauci said not to worry about it very early on in the piece because at that point there was nothing to worry about and not much was known about it due to China heavily censoring information. Clearly, that changed with time and increased knowledge. Your attacks on Fauci are misplaced and should be directed at Trump.
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Reply #39 - Aug 8th, 2025 at 6:01pm
 
Frank wrote on Aug 8th, 2025 at 3:04pm:
Bryan, 2 minutes earlier:


We're also testing disinfectants readily available. We've tested bleach, we've tested isopropyl alcohol on the virus specifically in saliva or in respiratory fluids and I can tell you that bleach will kill the virus in five minutes. Isopropyl alcohol will kill the virus in 30 seconds and that's with no manipulation, no rubbing. Just bring it on and leaving it go.
Etc

I included that from the transcript to show that Trump was repeating the official advice from the relevant government department spokesthingy. Don't ignore it.


Why did you leave out the lead up for what you quoted where he speicifes indoor spaces?

Quote:
For example, increasing the temperature and humidity of potentially contaminated indoor spaces appears to reduce the stability of the virus, and extra care may be warranted for dry environments that do not have exposure to solar light.



Cheesy Cheesy

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Reply #40 - Aug 8th, 2025 at 6:13pm
 
John Smith wrote on Aug 8th, 2025 at 6:01pm:
Frank wrote on Aug 8th, 2025 at 3:04pm:
Bryan, 2 minutes earlier:


We're also testing disinfectants readily available. We've tested bleach, we've tested isopropyl alcohol on the virus specifically in saliva or in respiratory fluids and I can tell you that bleach will kill the virus in five minutes. Isopropyl alcohol will kill the virus in 30 seconds and that's with no manipulation, no rubbing. Just bring it on and leaving it go.
Etc

I included that from the transcript to show that Trump was repeating the official advice from the relevant government department spokesthingy. Don't ignore it.


Why did you leave out the lead up for what you quoted where he speicifes indoor spaces?

Quote:
For example, increasing the temperature and humidity of potentially contaminated indoor spaces appears to reduce the stability of the virus, and extra care may be warranted for dry environments that do not have exposure to solar light.



Cheesy Cheesy


I didnt leave it out,  you thick, stupid Berk.

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