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Reply #15 - Jun 26th, 2025 at 1:49pm
 
https://www.reuters.com/world/china/iaea-board-declares-iran-breach-non-proliferation-duties-diplomats-say-2025-06-12/

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A central issue is Iran's failure to provide the IAEA with credible explanations of how uranium traces detected at undeclared sites in Iran came to be there despite the agency having investigated the issue for years.

The May 31 IAEA report, a board-mandated "comprehensive" account of developments, found three of the four locations "were part of an undeclared structured nuclear programme carried out by Iran until the early 2000s and that some activities used undeclared nuclear material".
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Reply #16 - Jun 26th, 2025 at 5:49pm
 
freediver wrote on Jun 26th, 2025 at 12:34pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jun 26th, 2025 at 12:31pm:
freediver wrote on Jun 26th, 2025 at 11:58am:
ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 26th, 2025 at 11:55am:
If only someone hadn't torn up the deal and reimposed sanctions, pushing Iran from compliance to defiance, from dismantling their nuclear capabilities to ramping them up, from engaging at the negotiating table to electing a hardline government that no longer trusts the West to honour its word...


Do you think if we kept negotiating for a few more decades Iran would have stopped developing nukes?

Are you suggesting Trump caused Iran to spend the last few decades developing nukes?



Iran just wanted a seat at the table with the big boys who all have nukes -
it wanted respect.



It wants to kill the Jews. It does not care whether you respect it.



Are you saying that the principal of MAD -
mutually assured destruction  -
would not apply to the Mullahs?
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Re: Iran still wants to build nukes
Reply #17 - Jun 26th, 2025 at 6:54pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jun 26th, 2025 at 5:49pm:
freediver wrote on Jun 26th, 2025 at 12:34pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jun 26th, 2025 at 12:31pm:
freediver wrote on Jun 26th, 2025 at 11:58am:
ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 26th, 2025 at 11:55am:
If only someone hadn't torn up the deal and reimposed sanctions, pushing Iran from compliance to defiance, from dismantling their nuclear capabilities to ramping them up, from engaging at the negotiating table to electing a hardline government that no longer trusts the West to honour its word...


Do you think if we kept negotiating for a few more decades Iran would have stopped developing nukes?

Are you suggesting Trump caused Iran to spend the last few decades developing nukes?



Iran just wanted a seat at the table with the big boys who all have nukes -
it wanted respect.



It wants to kill the Jews. It does not care whether you respect it.



Are you saying that the principal of MAD -
mutually assured destruction  -
would not apply to the Mullahs?


It does not work on people who, in their own words, welcome death. Just look at Gaza. They assure their own destruction every time they attack Israel, but it is not a deterrent.
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Re: Iran still wants to build nukes
Reply #18 - Jun 26th, 2025 at 7:33pm
 
freediver wrote on Jun 26th, 2025 at 6:54pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jun 26th, 2025 at 5:49pm:
Are you saying that the principal of MAD -
mutually assured destruction  -
would not apply to the Mullahs?


It does not work on people who, in their own words, welcome death. Just look at Gaza. They assure their own destruction every time they attack Israel, but it is not a deterrent.



All the death rhetoric is something they tell Islamic halfwits to do
to help in their fight against Israel -
just like the Japs and their Kamikaze pilots -
I would say that the Iranian leaders want to live like any normal human being.
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Reply #19 - Jun 27th, 2025 at 6:49am
 
Bobby. wrote on Jun 26th, 2025 at 7:33pm:
freediver wrote on Jun 26th, 2025 at 6:54pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jun 26th, 2025 at 5:49pm:
Are you saying that the principal of MAD -
mutually assured destruction  -
would not apply to the Mullahs?


It does not work on people who, in their own words, welcome death. Just look at Gaza. They assure their own destruction every time they attack Israel, but it is not a deterrent.



All the death rhetoric is something they tell Islamic halfwits to do
to help in their fight against Israel -
just like the Japs and their Kamikaze pilots -
I would say that the Iranian leaders want to live like any normal human being.


The Iranian leaders are Islamic extremists who regularly announce to the world their desire to wipe out the Jews, and who also recently announced their intention to continue their nuclear program, despite the high likelihood they will be killed.
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Re: Iran still wants to build nukes
Reply #20 - Jun 27th, 2025 at 8:58am
 
freediver wrote on Jun 27th, 2025 at 6:49am:
Bobby. wrote on Jun 26th, 2025 at 7:33pm:
freediver wrote on Jun 26th, 2025 at 6:54pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jun 26th, 2025 at 5:49pm:
Are you saying that the principal of MAD -
mutually assured destruction  -
would not apply to the Mullahs?


It does not work on people who, in their own words, welcome death. Just look at Gaza. They assure their own destruction every time they attack Israel, but it is not a deterrent.



All the death rhetoric is something they tell Islamic halfwits to do
to help in their fight against Israel -
just like the Japs and their Kamikaze pilots -
I would say that the Iranian leaders want to live like any normal human being.


The Iranian leaders are Islamic extremists who regularly announce to the world their desire to wipe out the Jews, and who also recently announced their intention to continue their nuclear program, despite the high likelihood they will be killed.



It depends on what you want to believe.

It's strange how intelligent scientists are only too glad to
help them out to make nuclear weapons.
Many of them were bumped off by Israel - all the top ones.
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Re: Iran still wants to build nukes
Reply #21 - Jun 27th, 2025 at 9:57am
 
freediver wrote on Jun 26th, 2025 at 1:45pm:
ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 26th, 2025 at 1:43pm:
freediver wrote on Jun 26th, 2025 at 1:41pm:
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From 2013 to 2015, Iran engaged in negotiations leading to the JCPOA and once it was signed and in effect from 2015 until 2018 when Trump scrapped it, they were in full compliance.


So why do some of the noncompliances reported this year date all the way back to 2003 and earlier?


Because the JCPOA was only signed in 2015.

Were you dropped on your head as a child?


The IAEA did not say it was noncompliant in 2003, it said some of the current non-compliances date back to things Iran did over 20 years ago, for which it has been non-compliant ever since.


Full compliance was reported during the active period of the JCPOA.

It only ended after Trump withdrew and reapplied sanctions.

Are you trying to deny this?
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Reply #22 - Jun 27th, 2025 at 10:05am
 
ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 27th, 2025 at 9:57am:
freediver wrote on Jun 26th, 2025 at 1:45pm:
ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 26th, 2025 at 1:43pm:
freediver wrote on Jun 26th, 2025 at 1:41pm:
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From 2013 to 2015, Iran engaged in negotiations leading to the JCPOA and once it was signed and in effect from 2015 until 2018 when Trump scrapped it, they were in full compliance.


So why do some of the noncompliances reported this year date all the way back to 2003 and earlier?


Because the JCPOA was only signed in 2015.

Were you dropped on your head as a child?


The IAEA did not say it was noncompliant in 2003, it said some of the current non-compliances date back to things Iran did over 20 years ago, for which it has been non-compliant ever since.


Full compliance was reported during the active period of the JCPOA.

It only ended after Trump withdrew and reapplied sanctions.

Are you trying to deny this?


We could have gone on burying our head in the sand and "reporting" full compliance right up till they nuked Israel. But once they nuked Israel, we would be pretty much forced to change the reports to reflect reality.

https://www.reuters.com/world/china/iaea-board-declares-iran-breach-non-proliferation-duties-diplomats-say-2025-06-12/

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A central issue is Iran's failure to provide the IAEA with credible explanations of how uranium traces detected at undeclared sites in Iran came to be there despite the agency having investigated the issue for years.

The May 31 IAEA report, a board-mandated "comprehensive" account of developments, found three of the four locations "were part of an undeclared structured nuclear programme carried out by Iran until the early 2000s and that some activities used undeclared nuclear material".
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Re: Iran still wants to build nukes
Reply #23 - Jun 27th, 2025 at 10:16am
 
So we can only trust the IAEA when they tell us what we want to believe?
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Reply #24 - Jun 27th, 2025 at 10:24am
 
ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 27th, 2025 at 10:16am:
So we can only trust the IAEA when they tell us what we want to believe?


I don't think anyone actually wants to believe Iran is going to nuke Israel. But there is only so long you can stay in denial.

Even the best case scenario from the JCPOA was not expected to prevent Iran nuking Israel.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_Comprehensive_Plan_of_Action

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On 18 October 2015 E.U. High Representative Mogherini and Iranian Foreign Minister Zarif jointly announced "Adoption Day".

In June 2016, IAEA investigators reported that they had reported traces of uranium found at the Parchin facility in December 2015.

After 15 years, many provisions of the JCPOA would expire, including most enrichment provisions.

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell promised that Republicans would discuss the agreement respectfully in September.[185][186] Democrat Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer distinguished the nuclear and non-nuclear aspects. His conclusion was: "when it comes to the nuclear aspects of the agreement within ten years, we might be slightly better off with it. However, when it comes to the nuclear aspects after ten years and the non-nuclear aspects, we would be better off without it."


https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/iran-nuclear-deal-trump-united-states/story?id=1
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If all parties adhered to the deal, experts held that it likely would have prevented Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon for more than a decade, according to the Council on Foreign Relations.


That's not very long, even if it did work. Just Iran giving the anti proliferation authorities more of the runaround.
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Reply #25 - Jun 27th, 2025 at 10:37am
 
ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 27th, 2025 at 10:16am:
So we can only trust the IAEA when they tell us what we want to believe?

"There will be either peace or there will be tragedy for Iran far greater than we have witnessed over the last eight days.

"Will be peace or will be bad proper one."

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ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 26th, 2025 at 1:27pm:
freediver wrote on Jun 26th, 2025 at 1:15pm:
Iran never complied with it's obligations. Not in 2003. Not in 2013. Not in 2023. It gave the IAEA the runaround the whole time. The IAEA was not confirming compliance on Iran's part.


That's not what the IAEA reports on their website.



FD is right , sadskip is a bullshitter with TDS.

If Sadskip took the time to read what the IAEA says he would find Iran hasn't complied with the NPT during the rule of any US President.

https://www.iaea.org/newscenter/focus/iran/iaea-and-iran-iaea-resolutions
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Baronvonrort wrote Yesterday at 1:01am:
ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 26th, 2025 at 1:27pm:
freediver wrote on Jun 26th, 2025 at 1:15pm:
Iran never complied with it's obligations. Not in 2003. Not in 2013. Not in 2023. It gave the IAEA the runaround the whole time. The IAEA was not confirming compliance on Iran's part.


That's not what the IAEA reports on their website.



FD is right , sadskip is a bullshitter with TDS.

If Sadskip took the time to read what the IAEA says he would find Iran hasn't complied with the NPT during the rule of any US President.

https://www.iaea.org/newscenter/focus/iran/iaea-and-iran-iaea-resolutions


My claim was that Iran was compliant during the JCPOA until Trump withdrew and reimposed sanctions.

Your link proves that if you bothered to read the reports it links to...  Stop misrepresenting what I've said to something you think you can counter, you liar.  Even if you ended up stepping on a rake that hit you in the face, there's still no need to lie...

From your link, if you read the reports, you'll find that it says:

Early 2000s - Non-Compliance Identified
In 2003, the IAEA reported that Iran had conducted undeclared nuclear activities, including uranium enrichment and plutonium separation, which were not reported to the agency as required under its safeguards agreement. This led the IAEA Board of Governors to find Iran in non-compliance with its safeguards obligations.

2015-2018 - Compliance During JCPOA Implementation
Following the implementation of the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA) in 2015, the IAEA consistently verified that Iran was adhering to its nuclear-related commitments under the agreement. Reports during this period indicated that Iran was in compliance with the JCPOA terms.

Post-2018 - Renewed Concerns and Non-Compliance
After the US withdrawal from the JCPOA in 2018, Iran began reducing its compliance with the agreement's provisions. By 2025, the IAEA reported that Iran had conducted covert nuclear activities involving undeclared nuclear materials at several sites, leading to findings of non-compliance with its safeguards obligations.

My first contribution to this thread was,

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 26th, 2025 at 11:55am:
If only someone hadn't torn up the deal and reimposed sanctions, pushing Iran from compliance to defiance, from dismantling their nuclear capabilities to ramping them up, from engaging at the negotiating table to electing a hardline government that no longer trusts the West to honour its word...


And yes, it's still correct, proven by the very link you posted.

Thanks for inadvertently supporting exactly what I said.

You really should try reading beyond the headlines and the garbage your private MAGA Facebook or Telegram groups are feeding you, you absolute dumb dumb.

The issue here is simple: because I'm critical of Trump,  because I hold him accountable for his own decisions, decisions he made freely, you've lazily tried to paint me as being pro-Iran.

I'm not. Iran aren't the good guys, nobody is pretending they are. But that doesn't mean we should just ignore Trump's central role in the chain of events we've all just witnessed. Iran's resumed weapons research and uranium enrichment, the very things now being waved around as a pretext for war, are a direct consequence of Trump withdrawing from the JCPOA and slapping sanctions back on them.

Before that, Iran was compliant. That was widely reported by the IAEA. That's not spin. That's not opinion. That's documented fact.

It's an inconvenient truth for MAGA, sure, but honestly, who cares? Facts aren't interested in your feelings.

No amount of bad faith, reality-denying arguments will change that.
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My claim was that Iran was compliant during the JCPOA until Trump withdrew and reimposed sanctions.


Were they "actually compliant" or "reported" as being compliant?

Seeing as you are a bit slow on the uptake on this one, I'll give you a hint. I am asking if you can distinguish truth from box ticking.
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