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By Reuters

June 12, 2025    6:48 PM GMT+10    Updated 2 min ago



NEW DELHI, June 12 (Reuters) - An Air India plane crashed at the airport in India's western city of Ahmedabad, television channels reported on Thursday, without specifying whether there were any fatalities.
The plane was headed to Birmingham, an aviation source told Reuters.

The crash occurred when the aircraft was taking off, the TV channels reported. Visuals showed debris on fire, with thick black smoke rising up into the sky near the airport.
More than 100 people were on board the flight, channels said.
They also showed visuals of people being moved in stretchers and being taken away in ambulances.
Reporting by Sakshi Dayal; Editing by YP Rajesh

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By Reuters
June 12, 2025      7:05 PM GMT+10      Updated 15 min ago



NEW DELHI, June 12 (Reuters) - An Air India plane with more than 200 people on board crashed near the airport in India's western city of Ahmedabad, the airline and police officials said on Thursday, without specifying whether there were any fatalities.
The plane was headed to London's Gatwick airport in the UK, Air India said, while police officers said it crashed in a civilian area near the airport.

"At this moment, we are ascertaining the details and will share further updates," Air India said on X.
The crash occurred when the aircraft was taking off, television channels reported. Visuals showed debris on fire, with thick black smoke rising up into the sky near the airport.
They also showed visuals of people being moved in stretchers and being taken away in ambulances.
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news agency ANI reported, citing Gujarat state's police control room.
India's CNN News18 TV channel, however, said there were 220 passengers and 12 crew on the plane.

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It was a Boeing 787-8 Dreamliner.

I blame Moslems and Mexicans.

As Heath Ledger said as the Joker
"Some people just like to watch the world burn"

...and the Left are fanning the flames. 🔥

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 12^th, 2025 at 8:54pm:



The wheels are still down and I don't think the flaps are deployed -
but I'm not sure.

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 12^th, 2025 at 9:07pm:



It's not fake. 

forgiven

namaste

https://edition.cnn.com/world/live-news/ahmedabad-india-plane-crash-06-12-25?t=1...

7 min ago

Police commissioner tells AP there appears to be no survivors from Air India airliner that crashed.

Bobby. wrote on Jun 12^th, 2025 at 10:08pm:



Phew! At least none of them were black and en route to Chicago. eh, Blooby, you f**king racist piece of trash. 

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 13^th, 2025 at 7:31am:



It's a miracle that he survived.

The show has been unwatchable for more than half of its 18 years.

The panel show failed because of its tedious whataboutery. If one panellist was invited along who had a particular view of the world, another with the precise opposite view would be installed in the interests of balance. The reach for yin and yang commentary became ridiculous, and on social media Q+A became known as The Very Bad Show.

The most exciting thing about the show in recent years was its shift from an ampersand between the Q and the A to a plus sign in 2022.

Trump calling in the National guard was a very good thing.

Sophia wrote on Jun 13^th, 2025 at 9:29am:


It was taking off, but struggled to get altitude.

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 12^th, 2025 at 9:36pm:


What the hell is wrong with you?   

You can see the plane on the ground and then lift off.

5 mins 10 secs

Ron Bartsch is a leading expert in aviation safety and chairman of Avlaw — a respected international aviation consulting company.

He said it appears the aircraft's flaps — which help increase lift on take-off and landing — do not appear to be in the right position, and the landing gear is down.

"There are some abnormalities with the video that I've seen," he told ABC NEWS Verify.

"The fact that the aircraft still appears to be with its gear down and flaps retracted at 600 feet after take-off is not the usual configuration for an aircraft.

"The aircraft would have been very close to maximum take-off weight, the ambient conditions were around 40 degrees Celsius — so they're not conditions for aircraft performance.

"The aircraft can climb with its gear down, but at a low speed like that, it would need to have extra lift generated by the flaps, so obviously in the configuration it was at the time, it wasn't able to climb," Professor Bartsch said.

He added that it is early days in the investigation but said engine failure was unlikely.

"Double engine failures is virtually something that can be completely ruled out because the chances of an engine failure in these modern aircraft is very, very remote," Professor Bartsch said.

"It really does appear that there's been some degree of human error in this catastrophe."

Guy Hirst, a career pilot and aviation educator, told the ABC that a bird strike could have caused the incident.

"Ahmedabad does suffer quite a lot from flocks of birds, and although they've been doing quite a lot at the airport to try and reduce the possibilities, that is always a possibility."

Another expert agreed that pilot error could be the blame.

"This is indicative of the pilots pulling up the flaps instead of the landing gear after take-off," former pilot and aviation analyst James Nixon told ABC Melbourne.

Aviation expert Keith Tonkin told ABC News Breakfast, the landing gear being left down shows the pilots were occupied.

"The fact that the landing gear was left down probably indicates that the pilots were pretty busy trying to deal with whatever those circumstances were," he said.

According to Reuters, air traffic control said the plane made an "mayday" call — signalling an emergency — just after take-off, but after that point, there was no response from the aircraft.

Authorities are now working to find the aircraft's black box — an on-board crash-protected recording device, which captures aircraft data and sound from the cockpit.

At this early stage, I’m reluctant to label this accident “human error” but it’s worth observing that at around the time the aircraft started its terminal descent into the ground, the undercarriage was still deployed. Landing gear retraction is the first configuration change after lift-off. As soon as the aircraft is confirmed airborne and with a positive rate of climb the pilots retract the gear. It has no more use and simply creates aerodynamic drag so it is raised into the airframe.

The key question here is – were the flaps retracted after take-off instead of the undercarriage?

David Evans was a Qantas pilot for 37 years.

https://www.smh.com.au/national/i-can-t-be-certain-what-caused-the-air-india-cra...

Here is a full video of takeoff to crash
https://x.com/Pulsebyshinde/status/1933171445003391136

Looked OK up to V1 which is where you decide to continue or abort.

At VR plane lifted off appeared to climb ok no problem so far.

Around 30 seconds into video appears plane stops climbing.

With one engine out and the other working plane should achieve V2 speed which gives climb around 200 ft/min.

Even if one engine fails landing gear should be brought up to reduce drag to maintain V2 speed.

Flaps help low speed flight he wasn't going fast enough to reduce them it doesn't look like they were set for takeoff.

The plane was nose high going too slow and stalled. Pilot should have pushed stick forward and levelled out to keep speed nose up slowed it even further.
Yes there was an emergency first rule in those situations is fly the plane.

Link mentions possible failure with FADEC it could have been a bird strike like Captain Sully had when he landed in Hudson river.

Takeoff is the most dangerous part with flying you have no speed or altitude where you can push nose down to gain speed plane is at it heaviest which means stall speeds are higher.
Look what happened with Concorde crash.

Not a good year for aviation so far, is it?

Full list of horror plane crashes in 2025 that have claimed the lives of 383 passengers

You won't catch me getting on a plane anytime in the near future. In fact, probably never.

I can't help but wonder if a certain virus that isn't talked about anymore but has been proved to cause brain damage (referred to as "brain fog" to try and make it sound mostly harmless) - especially with multiple infections - has a lot to do with this?

Going anywhere near pilots and air traffic controllers affected by brain "fog". I'll pass, thanks.

Moving right along...

Aussie cricket star David Warner has vowed to NEVER fly with Air India again after plane crash disaster

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Interesting.

But, the "black boxes" have now been recovered so I don't think it should take too long to pinpoint the cause of this disaster.

This is a fascinating read about miraculous survivors of plane crashes.

https://www.9news.com.au/world/sole-survivors-of-plane-crashes-why-do-people-sur...

Some interesting pointers about seats location and crashes.
Seems best to sit in back third of plane where I usually sit 

https://www.9news.com.au/world/plane-crash-accident-survival-south-korea-jeju-ai...

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 14^th, 2025 at 1:34pm:

You’re right, English is an Indo-European language, and contains many Sanskrit words.
You probably have proto-Indian ancestors yourself.
Also it is nigh on impossible to munch curry, toast yes but curry no.

It crashed into a student accommodation… and 24 people on the ground died as a result, on top of the number of passengers that died. 

Gnads wrote on Jun 15^th, 2025 at 7:05am:

Butter and jam on toast; munching butter and jam?

Jasin wrote on Jun 15^th, 2025 at 7:49am:

Reduced demand.
One reason is because Muslims use their left hand, therefore Muslims always eat with their right hands.

Sounds like a plane run on Leftism.
Crewed by Hamas.
Maintenance by illegal Mexicans.

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Jun 15^th, 2025 at 7:43am:


If you say so .... but it depends on how well you do your toast.

Not everyone has a "sweet" breakfast.

Bacon & eggs on toast?