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Reply #15 - May 18th, 2025 at 9:25am
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on May 18th, 2025 at 9:14am:
Ai_Took_Our_Jobs wrote on May 18th, 2025 at 9:06am:
Perth Mint sold diluted gold to China, got caught, and tried to cover it up

The historic Perth Mint is facing a potential $9 billion recall of gold bars after selling diluted or "doped" bullion to China and then covering it up, according to a leaked internal report.

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No, it didn't.

It sold 99.99% gold to the Shanghai Gold Exchange with 0.01% Silver, which is the standard delivery.

The SGE wanted 99.99% gold with 0.005% Silver and 0.005% Bismuth so when they remelted the gold, they could cream off Bismuth which they could sell to Chinese industrial manufacturers.

The Chinese banks, the SGE, and all other Chinese gold bullion dealers, and every other bullion dealer in the world, hold the Perth Mint in the highest regard for guaranteed 99.99% gold products... The ABC... not so much.


If a news article is by unnamed sources or for any reason they can't or don't identify the source of information then read it but don't take it any more serious than you would if you heard it at the pub.
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Reply #16 - May 18th, 2025 at 9:26am
 
The SGE, for its part, did not want this issue to be public as it respected and respects the Perth Mint and trusted and trusts its gold delivery.

It was dealing with the issue internally with the Mint.

And then the ABC...
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Reply #17 - May 18th, 2025 at 9:31am
 
Penny Wong is a fake Chinese male.
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Reply #18 - May 18th, 2025 at 9:51am
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on May 18th, 2025 at 9:14am:
Ai_Took_Our_Jobs wrote on May 18th, 2025 at 9:06am:
Perth Mint sold diluted gold to China, got caught, and tried to cover it up

The historic Perth Mint is facing a potential $9 billion recall of gold bars after selling diluted or "doped" bullion to China and then covering it up, according to a leaked internal report.

abc

No, it didn't.

It sold 99.99% gold to the Shanghai Gold Exchange with 0.01% Silver, which is the standard delivery.

The SGE wanted 99.99% gold with 0.005% Silver and 0.005% Bismuth so when they remelted the gold,
they could cream off Bismuth which they could sell to Chinese industrial manufacturers.

The Chinese banks, the SGE, and all other Chinese gold bullion dealers, and every other bullion dealer in the world, hold the Perth Mint in the highest regard for guaranteed 99.99% gold products... The ABC... not so much.



Bismuth is dirt cheap -
why would they be bothered?
Sounds like bullshit.
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Reply #19 - May 18th, 2025 at 9:54am
 
Bobby. wrote on May 18th, 2025 at 9:51am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on May 18th, 2025 at 9:14am:
Ai_Took_Our_Jobs wrote on May 18th, 2025 at 9:06am:
Perth Mint sold diluted gold to China, got caught, and tried to cover it up

The historic Perth Mint is facing a potential $9 billion recall of gold bars after selling diluted or "doped" bullion to China and then covering it up, according to a leaked internal report.

abc

No, it didn't.

It sold 99.99% gold to the Shanghai Gold Exchange with 0.01% Silver, which is the standard delivery.

The SGE wanted 99.99% gold with 0.005% Silver and 0.005% Bismuth so when they remelted the gold,
they could cream off Bismuth which they could sell to Chinese industrial manufacturers.

The Chinese banks, the SGE, and all other Chinese gold bullion dealers, and every other bullion dealer in the world, hold the Perth Mint in the highest regard for guaranteed 99.99% gold products... The ABC... not so much.



Bismuth is dirt cheap -
why would they be bothered?
Sounds like bullshit.


What did the report say Bobby?.
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Reply #20 - May 18th, 2025 at 9:57am
 
Leroy wrote on May 18th, 2025 at 9:54am:
What did the report say Bobby?.



Dunno - I'm not telling that particular story.   Undecided
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Reply #21 - May 18th, 2025 at 9:58am
 
Bobby. wrote on May 18th, 2025 at 9:51am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on May 18th, 2025 at 9:14am:
Ai_Took_Our_Jobs wrote on May 18th, 2025 at 9:06am:
Perth Mint sold diluted gold to China, got caught, and tried to cover it up

The historic Perth Mint is facing a potential $9 billion recall of gold bars after selling diluted or "doped" bullion to China and then covering it up, according to a leaked internal report.

abc

No, it didn't.

It sold 99.99% gold to the Shanghai Gold Exchange with 0.01% Silver, which is the standard delivery.

The SGE wanted 99.99% gold with 0.005% Silver and 0.005% Bismuth so when they remelted the gold,
they could cream off Bismuth which they could sell to Chinese industrial manufacturers.

The Chinese banks, the SGE, and all other Chinese gold bullion dealers, and every other bullion dealer in the world, hold the Perth Mint in the highest regard for guaranteed 99.99% gold products... The ABC... not so much.



Bismuth is dirt cheap -
why would they be bothered?
Sounds like bullshit.

Don't take my word for it... Do your own research on it.

No one, not even the ABC (surprise, surprise), nor the SGE - the buyer, questioned that the gold quality sold by the Perth Mint was 99.99% pure.

Chinese importers often reprocess imported products that have trace elements of rare earths and other rare chemicals... They're buying these extra chemicals and elements present in the main products for free anyway, so there's profit to be made reharvesting them from purchased goods and reselling them due to economies of scale.
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Reply #22 - May 18th, 2025 at 10:08am
 
Bobby. wrote on May 18th, 2025 at 9:57am:
Leroy wrote on May 18th, 2025 at 9:54am:
What did the report say Bobby?.



Dunno - I'm not telling that particular story.   Undecided


My mistake, AI-lost-his-job posted it.
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Reply #23 - May 18th, 2025 at 10:24am
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on May 18th, 2025 at 9:14am:
0.005% Bismuth so when they remelted the gold, they could cream off Bismuth which they could sell to Chinese industrial manufacturers.

Bismuth is $79kg so it's $4.80 in a bullion bar of 12kg. Smelting cost is ?
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Reply #24 - May 18th, 2025 at 10:25am
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on May 18th, 2025 at 9:58am:
Bobby. wrote on May 18th, 2025 at 9:51am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on May 18th, 2025 at 9:14am:
Ai_Took_Our_Jobs wrote on May 18th, 2025 at 9:06am:
Perth Mint sold diluted gold to China, got caught, and tried to cover it up

The historic Perth Mint is facing a potential $9 billion recall of gold bars after selling diluted or "doped" bullion to China and then covering it up, according to a leaked internal report.

abc

No, it didn't.

It sold 99.99% gold to the Shanghai Gold Exchange with 0.01% Silver, which is the standard delivery.

The SGE wanted 99.99% gold with 0.005% Silver and 0.005% Bismuth so when they remelted the gold,
they could cream off Bismuth which they could sell to Chinese industrial manufacturers.

The Chinese banks, the SGE, and all other Chinese gold bullion dealers, and every other bullion dealer in the world, hold the Perth Mint in the highest regard for guaranteed 99.99% gold products... The ABC... not so much.



Bismuth is dirt cheap -
why would they be bothered?
Sounds like bullshit.

Don't take my word for it... Do your own research on it.

No one, not even the ABC (surprise, surprise), nor the SGE - the buyer, questioned that the gold quality sold by the Perth Mint was 99.99% pure.

Chinese importers often reprocess imported products that have trace elements of rare earths and other rare chemicals... They're buying these extra chemicals and elements present in the main products for free anyway, so there's profit to be made reharvesting them from purchased goods and reselling them due to economies of scale.

My guess is that it was a poor decision on the part of the refining division to meet demand from the SGE in time.

The Chinese have a rapacious demand for gold, and their demand for it often exceeds supply worldwide.

I'd bet what happened is that the special refining requirements for the SGE meant that delivery would be delayed, so someone in that division hit on the 'bright' idea of meeting demand by using some of their standard 99.99% gold bars with 0.01% silver and no Bismuth.

This was detected by the SGE in some of the 99.99% gold bars purchased from the Mint, and the SGE questioned it.

The issue was resolved by the Mint to the satisfaction of the SGE.

Later, it seems someone who had a beef with the Mint decided to throw a grenade and leak the issue to the ABC, which hit on the 'bright' idea of smearing the Mint with implications of fraud.
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Reply #25 - May 18th, 2025 at 10:29am
 
$250 per kilo in Asia smelting bullion.
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Reply #26 - May 18th, 2025 at 10:34am
 
chimera wrote on May 18th, 2025 at 10:24am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on May 18th, 2025 at 9:14am:
0.005% Bismuth so when they remelted the gold, they could cream off Bismuth which they could sell to Chinese industrial manufacturers.

Bismuth is $79kg so it's $4.80 in a bullion bar of 12kg. Smelting cost is ?

Firstly, the SGE buys tons of gold from the Perth Mint, not kilos.

By your calculations, 100,000 kilos of gold (the amount estimated to have been bought from the Perth Mint alone) would yield $40000 of bismuth for free, which the SGE might sell for more... and nevermind the gold it buys from other refiners.

Remelting is standard practice when a state buys gold from a refiner. It's melted and recast to Chinese requirements (Chinese coins and bars), so the process is happening anyway.

While they're at it, creaming off the silver and bismuth is easily done, although the SGE would replace the bismuth with silver on the remade gold product.
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Reply #27 - May 18th, 2025 at 10:38am
 
100 tons of the shiny stuff gets $40,000 profit at full market price.


ok...
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Reply #28 - May 18th, 2025 at 10:44am
 
Another 'feature' of dealing with the SGE, and other state-run Chinese gold purchasers, is that strict requirements are issued by bureaucrats in Beijing.

If they stipulate that gold purchased from international sources must contain 99.99% gold, 0.05% silver and 0.05% of any other element the refiner has access to... then that's the standard.

The SGE execs would mess with those requirements at their peril.
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Reply #29 - May 18th, 2025 at 10:46am
 
chimera wrote on May 18th, 2025 at 10:38am:
100 tons of the shiny stuff gets $40,000 profit at full market price.


ok...

100 tons of gold yields $40000 of bismuth - 500kg of it.

The requirements are set by Beijing, not the SGE.

For a Chinese guy, you sure don't know much about how your mainlander compatriots do business.
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