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Re: Multiculturalism has failed Australia
Reply #45 - Oct 28^th, 2025 at 8:56pm

Dnarever wrote on Oct 28^th, 2025 at 8:43pm:

Setanta wrote on Oct 28^th, 2025 at 8:33pm:

I have no probs with immigration, I have a prob with multiculturalism and those that have no wish to assimilate. The whole idea of multiculturalism is people do no need to assimilate. Most cultures will assimilate, Islam will not. We do not need to promote multiculturalism, for most people this will be the default but encouraging them to keep their culture separate is not a good idea.

I have a Filippina friend, she came here in November 2021 with her daughter, the father is Australian. Married her in Philippines, made her pregs, she turns up in Au with a 3 yo. He treats her like shyte, my wife is the only person she knows, wife was a friend of his mum. She came to us for help. After the 2022 flood where we all lost everything she stayed with us in emergency accom then rented with us until we could move back home. We get on great and her daughter now 7 is my BFF. Our cultures do not collide and we get on really well. The cultures are compatible. The daughter is turning full on Aussie and her mum accepts it, although her daughters love of vegemite eludes her. There are some cultures though that cannot assimilate. See Islamic cultures where religion and politics are one and the same.

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I have no probs with immigration, I have a prob with multiculturalism and those that have no wish to assimilate.

I see assimilation as something like 95% of what happens even with the advantages of multi included. It seems that most people do fully integrate while keeping parts of their culture at the same time.

It is always difficult for the first generation and it is a disadvantage for them but the children all near 100% assimilate. It was like this with the Italians and Greeks of the 50's and 60's. With or without Multi the outcome is the same always has been. Every generation becomes more natural Australian.

Look at places like Lakemba, assimilation is expected the other way. Islam is incompatible and will not assimilate. You can see that everywhere that it has been allowed. We have 3rd and 4th gen that will not assimilate.

Italians and Greeks were easily assimilated, I'm almost as old as you. I've seen it. Used to swap luches in primary school with an Indian guy and go to his place after school, Mimo(Dominic) the Itie and his sisters lived across the back fence. Next door to him the Lithuanians, across the road more of them. No probs. The problem is with incompatible cultures and telling them it's OK, it's not.

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Reply #46 - Oct 28^th, 2025 at 9:27pm

Setanta wrote on Oct 28^th, 2025 at 8:56pm:

Dnarever wrote on Oct 28^th, 2025 at 8:43pm:

Setanta wrote on Oct 28^th, 2025 at 8:33pm:

I have no probs with immigration, I have a prob with multiculturalism and those that have no wish to assimilate. The whole idea of multiculturalism is people do no need to assimilate. Most cultures will assimilate, Islam will not. We do not need to promote multiculturalism, for most people this will be the default but encouraging them to keep their culture separate is not a good idea.

I have a Filippina friend, she came here in November 2021 with her daughter, the father is Australian. Married her in Philippines, made her pregs, she turns up in Au with a 3 yo. He treats her like shyte, my wife is the only person she knows, wife was a friend of his mum. She came to us for help. After the 2022 flood where we all lost everything she stayed with us in emergency accom then rented with us until we could move back home. We get on great and her daughter now 7 is my BFF. Our cultures do not collide and we get on really well. The cultures are compatible. The daughter is turning full on Aussie and her mum accepts it, although her daughters love of vegemite eludes her. There are some cultures though that cannot assimilate. See Islamic cultures where religion and politics are one and the same.

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I have no probs with immigration, I have a prob with multiculturalism and those that have no wish to assimilate.

I see assimilation as something like 95% of what happens even with the advantages of multi included. It seems that most people do fully integrate while keeping parts of their culture at the same time.

It is always difficult for the first generation and it is a disadvantage for them but the children all near 100% assimilate. It was like this with the Italians and Greeks of the 50's and 60's. With or without Multi the outcome is the same always has been. Every generation becomes more natural Australian.

Look at places like Lakemba, assimilation is expected the other way. Islam is incompatible and will not assimilate. You can see that everywhere that it has been allowed. We have 3rd and 4th gen that will not assimilate.

Italians and Greeks were easily assimilated, I'm almost as old as you. I've seen it. Used to swap luches in primary school with an Indian guy and go to his place after school, Mimo(Dominic) the Itie and his sisters lived across the back fence. Next door to him the Lithuanians, across the road more of them. No probs. The problem is with incompatible cultures and telling them it's OK, it's not.

People once pointed at Leichhardt Marrickville and Cabramatta (Italians Greeks and Vietnamese) the same way they now point at Lakemba.

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Italians and Greeks were easily assimilated

And yet the multicultural exchange into the Australian culture has been huge. It shows the falsity of the Multi v integration arguments flaw. You automatically get a bit of both no matter what you do.

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Reply #48 - Oct 29^th, 2025 at 8:06am

Dnarever wrote on Oct 28^th, 2025 at 9:27pm:

1. People once pointed at Leichhardt Marrickville and Cabramatta (Italians Greeks and Vietnamese) the same way they now point at Lakemba.

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Italians and Greeks were easily assimilated

2. And yet the multicultural exchange into the Australian culture has been huge. It shows the falsity of the Multi v integration arguments flaw. You automatically get a bit of both no matter what you do.

1. Muslims don't assimilate. They can't be both Muslims and secular Western democrats. The two ard incompatible.

2. As for the benefits of multiculturalism for Australia. I can't think of a single uniquely Muslim, Indian, Chinese or African custom or value that has improved Australia (or Britain, France, etc). Can you? What values and customs from those places have you incorporated into your own life?

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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 46195	Re: Multiculturalism has failed Australia Reply #49 - Oct 29^th, 2025 at 9:31am You don't know any Muslims, do you, Soren? So, how do you know if they assimilate or not? You just have very biased MSM reports which you claim are incorrect in all other matters. Yes, some Muslims fail to assimilate but the majority do. Even Pauline Hansom agrees. Tsk, tsk, tsk...
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Reply #50 - Oct 29^th, 2025 at 10:16am

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 29^th, 2025 at 9:31am:

You don't know any Muslims, do you, Soren? So, how do you know if they assimilate or not? You just have very biased MSM reports which you claim are incorrect in all other matters. Yes, some Muslims fail to assimilate but the majority do. Even Pauline Hansom agrees. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Islam is against

Equality before the law
Representative democracy
Parliamentary law making
Freedom of religion
Freedom of speech
Equality of the sexes

The only Muslims who assimilate are ex-Muslims, that is, apostates.
Or liars (taqiyya), like you.

@mohammed_hijab lost his application to appeal the libel damages of Douglas Murray, estimated at £850,000. The judge called him a liar.

He explains Jihad. "The reason why you have to fight them, is because they are Jews & Christians. You should fight them until they give you the Jizya (extra taxes). There is no conceivability of peace between Muslims & non-Muslims.

"Islam is a warrior religion, it's about expansion & conquest."

https://x.com/DaveAtherton20/status/1983104822116032709

Justice Johnson is clear: Hijab’s evidence was ‘worthless’, and the man is a liar. Phrases such as ‘not credible’, ‘not consistent’, ‘untenable’ and ‘confected’ fill today’s judgment. Mr Justice Johnson says that Hijab lied in court on several occasions, and was ‘combative and constantly argumentative’. Hijab appeared to have invented contracts after Douglas’s article was published, in order to claim damages for their bogus cancellation. Now he has lost, Hijab himself is on the hook for a lot of money.
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-spectator-and-douglas-murray-win-defamation-claim-brought-by-mohammed-hijab/

You evidence about islam and everything else is equally worthless, untenable, full of inconsistency and lies, Bbwiyawn.

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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 46195	Re: Multiculturalism has failed Australia Reply #51 - Oct 29^th, 2025 at 11:18am Delusions you suffer from them, badly, Soren. Seek help. Tsk, tsk, tsk...
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Re: Multiculturalism has failed Australia
Reply #52 - Oct 29^th, 2025 at 11:56am

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 29^th, 2025 at 11:18am:

Delusions you suffer from them, badly, Soren. Seek help. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

"That is the sort of English up with which I will not put, Bbwiyawn! Tsk, tsk, Roll Eyes

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You evidence about islam and everything else is worthless, untenable, full of inconsistencies and lies, Bbwiyawn.
Off you bugger. Or should I say, "you, off bugger! "

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Re: Multiculturalism has failed Australia
Reply #53 - Oct 29^th, 2025 at 1:12pm

Frank wrote on Oct 29^th, 2025 at 8:06am:

Dnarever wrote on Oct 28^th, 2025 at 9:27pm:

1. People once pointed at Leichhardt Marrickville and Cabramatta (Italians Greeks and Vietnamese) the same way they now point at Lakemba.

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Italians and Greeks were easily assimilated

2. And yet the multicultural exchange into the Australian culture has been huge. It shows the falsity of the Multi v integration arguments flaw. You automatically get a bit of both no matter what you do.

1. Muslims don't assimilate. They can't be both Muslims and secular Western democrats. The two ard incompatible.

2. As for the benefits of multiculturalism for Australia. I can't think of a single uniquely Muslim, Indian, Chinese or African custom or value that has improved Australia (or Britain, France, etc). Can you? What values and customs from those places have you incorporated into your own life?

The food exchange for a start would turn over tens of billions of dollars in the economy. The advantages to international trade also is hugely valuable to Australia. The advanages to export and inport. We have improved as a people since the 1950's.

Could you imagine how few international tourists we would get in Australia if we still held the white Australia racial views of the 1950's. We would be an international pariah and our tourism industry would be dead.

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Muslims don't assimilate.

One of my recent workplaces there was a guy I worked with for around 10 years before I realised he was Muslim. I played rugby league with several Muslims and they only way to tell their religion was that they didn't drink, apart from that they were just normal guys. Also worked with several fermale muslims and found them to be nice people. 94% of every race of people are just fine people looking to live their life and look after their family and something like 6% of every nationality are arseh0les. Including us or more specifically probably you.

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Re: Multiculturalism has failed Australia
Reply #54 - Oct 29^th, 2025 at 1:15pm

Frank wrote on Oct 29^th, 2025 at 8:06am:

Dnarever wrote on Oct 28^th, 2025 at 9:27pm:

1. People once pointed at Leichhardt Marrickville and Cabramatta (Italians Greeks and Vietnamese) the same way they now point at Lakemba.

Quote:

Italians and Greeks were easily assimilated

2. And yet the multicultural exchange into the Australian culture has been huge. It shows the falsity of the Multi v integration arguments flaw. You automatically get a bit of both no matter what you do.

1. Muslims don't assimilate. They can't be both Muslims and secular Western democrats. The two ard incompatible.

2. As for the benefits of multiculturalism for Australia. I can't think of a single uniquely Muslim, Indian, Chinese or African custom or value that has improved Australia (or Britain, France, etc). Can you? What values and customs from those places have you incorporated into your own life?

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They can't be both Muslims and secular Western democrats. The two ard incompatible.

Yes Muslims tend to find conservative politics to much better allign with their beliefs.

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Frank Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 56804 Gender:	Re: Multiculturalism has failed Australia Reply #55 - Dec 18^th, 2025 at 8:10am Nothing says “most successful multicultural nation” quite like a fresh delivery of vibrant diversity bollards at Christmas time. Martin Place, Sydney.
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MeisterEckhart Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16693 Gender:	Re: Multiculturalism has failed Australia Reply #56 - Dec 18^th, 2025 at 8:33am Dnarever wrote on Oct 29^th, 2025 at 1:15pm: Yes Muslims tend to find conservative politics to much better allign with their beliefs. As do orthodox Jews, fundamentalist Christians, devout Hindus...
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Re: Multiculturalism has failed Australia
Reply #57 - Dec 18^th, 2025 at 10:06am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 18^th, 2025 at 8:33am:

Dnarever wrote on Oct 29^th, 2025 at 1:15pm:

Yes Muslims tend to find conservative politics to much better allign with their beliefs.

As do orthodox Jews, fundamentalist Christians, devout Hindus...

And that's why the most densly Muslim electorates in Australia are Labor seats. Without exception.

And the most electorate with most orthodox Jews, Wentworth around Bondi is Teal (and was Turnbull country before that).

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Reply #58 - Dec 18^th, 2025 at 10:32am

Dnarever wrote on Oct 29^th, 2025 at 1:12pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 29^th, 2025 at 8:06am:

Dnarever wrote on Oct 28^th, 2025 at 9:27pm:

1. People once pointed at Leichhardt Marrickville and Cabramatta (Italians Greeks and Vietnamese) the same way they now point at Lakemba.

Quote:

Italians and Greeks were easily assimilated

2. And yet the multicultural exchange into the Australian culture has been huge. It shows the falsity of the Multi v integration arguments flaw. You automatically get a bit of both no matter what you do.

1. Muslims don't assimilate. They can't be both Muslims and secular Western democrats. The two ard incompatible.

2. As for the benefits of multiculturalism for Australia. I can't think of a single uniquely Muslim, Indian, Chinese or African custom or value that has improved Australia (or Britain, France, etc). Can you? What values and customs from those places have you incorporated into your own life?

The food exchange for a start would turn over tens of billions of dollars in the economy. The advantages to international trade also is hugely valuable to Australia. The advanages to export and inport. We have improved as a people since the 1950's.

Could you imagine how few international tourists we would get in Australia if we still held the white Australia racial views of the 1950's. We would be an international pariah and our tourism industry would be dead.

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Muslims don't assimilate.

One of my recent workplaces there was a guy I worked with for around 10 years before I realised he was Muslim. I played rugby league with several Muslims and they only way to tell their religion was that they didn't drink, apart from that they were just normal guys. Also worked with several fermale muslims and found them to be nice people. 94% of every race of people are just fine people looking to live their life and look after their family and something like 6% of every nationality are arseh0les. Including us or more specifically probably you.

Bingo!

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Reply #59 - Dec 18^th, 2025 at 10:41am

How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.

Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities. Thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the Queen; all know how to die; but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilisation of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilisation of ancient Rome.

Churchill, The River War: An Historical Account of the Reconquest of the Soudan (1899), Volume II pp. 248–250.

Nothing has changed on the Mohamedan side. Because nothing can.

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