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Aug 1st, 2024 at 2:39pm
 
Prime Minister Modi is a corrupt, incompetent grifter who will leave India in a worse state than when he commenced his tenure.

India is the worst democracy ever and the worst capitalist economy.

The India crapocracy cannot lift itself out of its own sh*t as the rest of the world evolves and progresses.

India should be thrown out of the UN as failed state.

"India’s capital choked on toxic fumes Tuesday, as a thick and pungent haze spread from a fire at a towering trash dump, the latest in a series of landfill blazes that authorities have struggled for years to bring under control."

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India ‘one of the worst autocratisers’: V-Dem report on democracy

Noting that almost all components of democracy were getting worse in more countries than they were getting better, the report singled out freedom of expression, clean elections, and freedom of association/civil society as the three worst affected components in autocratising countries

March 11, 2024 08:25 pm | Updated 09:18 pm IST - NEW DELHI

India, which was downgraded to the status of an “electoral autocracy” in 2018, has declined even further on multiple metrics to emerge as “one of the worst autocratizers”, according to the ‘Democracy Report 2024’ released by the Gothenburg-based V-Dem Institute that tracks democratic freedoms worldwide.

The V-Dem report categorises countries into four regime types based on their score in the Liberal Democratic Index (LDI): Liberal Democracy, Electoral Democracy, Electoral Autocracy, and Closed Autocracy. Their annual report, which maps each country on a matrix of whether they are turning more democratic (‘democratising’) or more autocratic (‘autocratising’), stated that in 2023, 42 countries (home to 35% of the world’s population) were undergoing autocratisation. “India, with 18% of the world’s population, accounts for about half of the population living in autocratising countries,” the report said. Democratisation was taking place only in 18 countries, accounting for just 400 million people, or 5% of the world’s population.

According to the report, 71% of the world’s population — 5.7 billion people — live in autocracies, an increase from 48% ten years ago. The level of democracy enjoyed by the “average person in the world is down to 1985-levels”, the report said, with the sharpest decline occurring in Eastern Europe, and South and Central Asia.

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Noting that almost all components of democracy were getting worse in more countries than they were getting better, the report singled out freedom of expression, clean elections, and freedom of association/civil society as the three worst affected components of democracy in autocratising countries. The autonomy of the electoral management bodies “is weakening substantially in 22 of the 42 autocratising countries,” the report said.

South and Central Asia regressed significantly, with the level of “liberal democracy” enjoyed by the average Indian now “down to levels last seen in 1975….when Indira Gandhi declared a state of emergency in India”. As per the V-Dem classification, a liberal democracy is one where, in addition to the requirements of electoral democracy such as regular free and fair elections, mechanisms for judicial independence and constraints on executive overreach are robust, alongside rigorous protection of civil liberties and equality before law. In an electoral autocracy — the category India falls into — multiparty elections coexist with insufficient levels of basic requisites such as freedom of expression and free and fair elections.

Noting that India’s “autocratisation process has been well documented, including gradual but substantial deterioration of freedom of expression, compromising independence of the media, crackdowns on social media, harassments of journalists critical of the government, as well as attacks on civil society,” the report detailed how the “anti-pluralist” BJP government has “used laws on sedition, defamation, and counterterrorism to silence critics”.

“The Modi-led government also continues to suppress the freedom of religion rights. Intimidation of political opponents and people protesting government policies, as well as silencing of dissent in academia are now prevalent,” the report noted, adding that the only liberal democracy in the whole of South and Central Asia was Bhutan.

In a separate section on the 60 countries that go to the polls in 2024, the report observed that more than half of these (31) were in periods of democratic decline. Noting that elections on autocratising countries are “critical events” that can “either trigger democratisation, enable autocratisation, or aid stabilisation of autocratic regimes”, the report stated that “a majority” of elections in 2024 would be in highly contested spaces, making 2024 a critical year for the “future of democracy in the world”.
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Reply #1 - Aug 1st, 2024 at 6:28pm
 
Liberal democracy can't successfully govern  huge populations of poverty-ravaged, uneducated, subsistence farmers of many ethnicities, customs and religions.

Compare India with China (same size populations); China has greatly reduced pollution in its big cities, while growing its economy to four times the size of India's.

As for social stability, not mentioned in the "democracy" index: China compares more favourably than the US.... 
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As for social stability, not mentioned in the "democracy" index: China compares more favourably than the US....


When was the last time the US government killed 100 million of its own citizens?
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Reply #3 - Aug 1st, 2024 at 9:57pm
 
Starting in the 60s India invented jobs for people such as -

jobs requiring people to fill out forms to apply for forms and pay a fee.
That created more paperwork and public servants to administer.

example -
if you wanted a drivers license you had to fill out a form and pay a fee
to apply for the form to fill out to get a drivers license.

I notice some Govt. organisations in Australia doing the same now
when you want to do things such as get water meters or electricity put
on for new places or even upgrading old places.

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Reply #4 - Aug 2nd, 2024 at 12:37pm
 
I think India can find her own footing in the world in the coming decade.   Yes, there are many challenges, but thats like every other country in the world, we all have our own challenges.
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Liberal democracy can't successfully govern  huge populations of poverty-ravaged, uneducated, subsistence farmers of many ethnicities, customs and religions.


That's how every liberal democracy started. The strong correlation between liberal democracy and wealth is not because liberal democracy fails in the face of poverty, but because it is the greatest creator of wealth in human history.

Even the Chinese Communist Party has figured that one out. They are internally democratic, which is the reason China has not had a civil war in the wake of Mao's death or the CCP's spectacular failures, like the great chinese famine. And the riches they have accumulated over the last few decades are mostly attributable to liberalising the economy.
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Reply #6 - Aug 2nd, 2024 at 2:19pm
 
tickleandrose wrote on Aug 2nd, 2024 at 12:37pm:
I think India can find her own footing in the world in the coming decade.   Yes, there are many challenges, but thats like every other country in the world, we all have our own challenges.


Before one can fix a problem one has to admit the existence of the problem.

India has many problems but is failing to identify them as an objective to apply corrective measures.

The whole of Indian society is corrupt from top to bottom. Morally, socially, and financially corrupt.
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freediver wrote on Aug 2nd, 2024 at 2:14pm:
That's how every liberal democracy started.


India and China were long past their economically world-leading days when modern liberal democracy was born.

In 1947 both India and China were the poorest nations on the planet.

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The strong correlation between liberal democracy and wealth is not because liberal democracy fails in the face of poverty, but because it is the greatest creator of wealth in human history.


We know India isn't a 'liberal' democracy; and neither is China, yet the latter has eradicated poverty at the fastest rate in history by introducing a mixed socialist command (public)/market (private) economy, NOT a democracy (unlike India which has struggled to escape mass poverty)    

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Even the Chinese Communist Party has figured that one out. They are internally democratic,


....With overall planning by the CCP, not the market (see the "third plenum" in China).

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  which is the reason China has not had a civil war in the wake of Mao's death or the CCP's spectacular failures, like the great chinese famine. And the riches they have accumulated over the last few decades are mostly attributable to liberalising the economy.


See above. The CCP has more support in China than Dem or Repub government in the US.

Meanwhile Modi in India is pushing Hindu nationalism, with much of India a relgious and social backwater,  instead of advancing with 'common prosperity' as in China,
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India and China were long past their economically world-leading days when modern liberal democracy was born.


When were either of them a world leader?

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We know India isn't a 'liberal' democracy; and neither is China, yet the latter has eradicated poverty at the fastest rate in history by introducing a mixed socialist command (public)/market (private) economy, NOT a democracy (unlike India which has struggled to escape mass poverty)


Both have reaped great benefits from democracy and liberalisation. Both still have a long way to go, just to copy what has been done elsewhere. The rapid improvement in China (until the latest round of reforms put the handbrake on) reflects the rapid transition. Just more evidence of democracy and liberalisation as the cause of wealth.

'Liberal' is a relative term, just as 'wealthy' is also relative. Only those who seek to deceive try to turn it into a binary.

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See above. The CCP has more support in China than Dem or Repub government in the US.


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Reply #9 - Aug 2nd, 2024 at 6:27pm
 
IF they can make Mr Subrahmanyam Jaishankar the PM after Modi, I think India have a fighting chance.  I have seen some of. his interviews, he is very impressive, and very knowledgable. 
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Gordon wrote on Aug 2nd, 2024 at 6:51pm:
India = smelly crap


The whole of India is suffering a severe infection of Gordonism. Hating themselves and hating each other.

Gordonism is love of hate and hate of love.
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freediver wrote on Aug 2nd, 2024 at 5:37pm:
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India and China were long past their economically world-leading days when modern liberal democracy was born.


When were either of them a world leader?


India under Ashoka and  and China under the Tang.

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Both have reaped great benefits from democracy and liberalisation. Both still have a long way to go, just to copy what has been done elsewhere. The rapid improvement in China (until the latest round of reforms put the handbrake on) reflects the rapid transition. Just more evidence of democracy and liberalisation as the cause of wealth.


No, the US is declining due to failure of public sector policy, and can no longer compete with Chinese manufacturing. The CCP is currently coping with the West's paranoid 'decoupling' designed to maintain Western hegemony.   

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'Liberal' is a relative term, just as 'wealthy' is also relative. Only those who seek to deceive try to turn it into a binary.


Indeed.

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Or else.


No, unlike the 50% of Americans living paycheck to paycheck, as US media wages have stagnated over the last 4 decades (during mismanaged globalization), China's  poor have been lifted out of absolute poverty at the fastest rate in  history. They love it.
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thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 3rd, 2024 at 12:56pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 2nd, 2024 at 5:37pm:
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India and China were long past their economically world-leading days when modern liberal democracy was born.


When were either of them a world leader?


India under Ashoka and  and China under the Tang.


What makes you think that?

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As for social stability, not mentioned in the "democracy" index: China compares more favourably than the US....


When was the last time the US government killed 100 million of its own citizens?
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Of course it is .... and it's what our pollies and fat cats want to see Australia become.... 70% of Indians have no running water or flushing toilet.... one asshole can spend $200m on his daughter's wedding and be lauded by 'celebrities' like David Beckham and quite a few others..... our boss class and political class want to see everyone but their Chosen Ones forced to take the swag and move around looking for a little work here and there .... 

"I-I'm bound to ride that morning railroad... Guess I might die upon that train.... - Man Of Constant Sorrow (dustbowl/great depression)...


When they came for the men in the public service etc over 'feelings - you vilified those men.

When they came for men in their own homes over 'violence' so as to steal their legitimate firearms - you vilified those men.

When they took away legal rights over 'violence' and used it to oppress men - you vilified those men

When they used 'feelings' to take control of the workplace and the houses of learning and toss men out - you vilified those men.

When they came for those who opposed cutting up children, you vilified those objectors.

When they came for the police saying they were brutes against certain groups - you vilified those police.

When they came for men accused on no solid evidence of rape etc, you vilified those men.

When they came for the Unionists, you vilified those Unionists.

When they came for those who opposed mass immigration, you vilified those objectors.

When they came for those who rejected constitutional racism, you vilified those who rejected racism.

When they come for you, there will be nobody left to do anything but vilify you.
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freediver wrote on Aug 3rd, 2024 at 3:57pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 3rd, 2024 at 12:56pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 2nd, 2024 at 5:37pm:
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India and China were long past their economically world-leading days when modern liberal democracy was born.


When were either of them a world leader?


India under Ashoka and  and China under the Tang.


What makes you think that?


The cultural advances they made.

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When was the last time the US government killed 100 million of its own citizens?


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"The exact number of deaths by famine (in the "Great Leap Forward" is difficult to determine, and estimates range from 15 million to 55 million people

If the lower figure is correct:  then  during the US civil war, about the same number died, pro rata.   
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The cultural advances they made.


Making cultural advances proves they lead the world economically?

Are you just parroting what you have been told to parrot?

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The exact number of deaths by famine (in the "Great Leap Forward" is difficult to determine, and estimates range from 15 million to 55 million people


Are you trying to argue that the great leap forward was the only time the CCP killed millions of Chinese people? Or am I being to generous in assuming this is part of a cogent argument?

When was the last time the US government killed 100 million of its own citizens?
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Reply #17 - Aug 4th, 2024 at 1:35am
 
When a fourth world country crawls into the second world - that is progress.... it does not mean they are taking control of the world...

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freediver wrote on Aug 3rd, 2024 at 6:00pm:
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The cultural advances they made.


Making cultural advances proves they lead the world economically?


Yes, as Islam did in it Golden Age ( eg in Cordoba), so with the Tang, inventing paper, type-printing and gunpowder. 

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Are you just parroting what you have been told to parrot?


No, unlike you I read history.

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Are you trying to argue that the great leap forward was the only time the CCP killed millions of Chinese people?


No; indeed the US killed its indigenous inhabitants as well as its own in the civil war. 

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Or am I being to generous in assuming this is part of a cogent argument?


You being generous? An oxymoron, your whole ideology is survival of the fittest, according to the "rights"  of "free individuals". 

So you look to history to condemn the CCP, when lately the CCP has established one of the world's most advanced, politically-stable  societies, while the US is imploding. 

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When was the last time the US government killed 100 million of its own citizens?


Pro rata, in the civil war, and wars of extermination.

You better start looking at the present and future, if you want to avoid China outpacing the "free" West.

But you will face some interesting problems re the limits of neoliberal free markets.....    
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Pro rata, in the civil war, and wars of extermination.


So when you say that China compares "more favourably" than the US on social stability, you are comparing the CCP's reign with the American civil war, plus a few others?
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freediver wrote on Aug 4th, 2024 at 12:04pm:
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Pro rata, in the civil war, and wars of extermination.


So when you say that China compares "more favourably" than the US on social stability, you are comparing the CCP's reign with the American civil war, plus a few others?


I am comparing today's CCP with today's dysfunctional neoliberal US government; we all need to be aware of the latter's failures.


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thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 4th, 2024 at 1:00pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 4th, 2024 at 12:04pm:
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Pro rata, in the civil war, and wars of extermination.


So when you say that China compares "more favourably" than the US on social stability, you are comparing the CCP's reign with the American civil war, plus a few others?


I am comparing today's CCP with today's dysfunctional neoliberal US government; we all need to be aware of the latter's failures.




So China is only more stable "today"? Are you trying to exclude the CCP killing 100 million Chinese citizens from your claim about stability?
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freediver wrote on Aug 4th, 2024 at 1:03pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 4th, 2024 at 1:00pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 4th, 2024 at 12:04pm:
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Pro rata, in the civil war, and wars of extermination.


So when you say that China compares "more favourably" than the US on social stability, you are comparing the CCP's reign with the American civil war, plus a few others?


I am comparing today's CCP with today's dysfunctional neoliberal US government; we all need to be aware of the latter's failures.




So China is only more stable "today"? Are you trying to exclude the CCP killing 100 million Chinese citizens from your claim about stability?


Yes, with Harvard polls showing the CCP has more support than the US government.

https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2020/07/long-term-survey-reveals-chinese-...

9 July 2020 — The survey team found that compared to public opinion patterns in the U.S., in China there was very high satisfaction with the central governement.

Meanwhile  Trump is saying the US will collapse into chaos if he loses. 

Which country looks more stable? 
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"in China there was very high satisfaction with the central government."

And you'd better believe it or the party will wonder about your mental health ......
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"in China there was very high satisfaction with the central government."

And you'd better believe it or the party will wonder about your mental health ......


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Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Aug 5th, 2024 at 12:12pm:
"in China there was very high satisfaction with the central government."

And you'd better believe it or the party will wonder about your mental health ......


Your error: the Harvard pollster team asked people in their homes, not the CCP.
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thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 5th, 2024 at 12:10pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 4th, 2024 at 1:03pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 4th, 2024 at 1:00pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 4th, 2024 at 12:04pm:
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Pro rata, in the civil war, and wars of extermination.


So when you say that China compares "more favourably" than the US on social stability, you are comparing the CCP's reign with the American civil war, plus a few others?


I am comparing today's CCP with today's dysfunctional neoliberal US government; we all need to be aware of the latter's failures.




So China is only more stable "today"? Are you trying to exclude the CCP killing 100 million Chinese citizens from your claim about stability?


Yes, with Harvard polls showing the CCP has more support than the US government.

https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2020/07/long-term-survey-reveals-chinese-...

9 July 2020 — The survey team found that compared to public opinion patterns in the U.S., in China there was very high satisfaction with the central governement.

Meanwhile  Trump is saying the US will collapse into chaos if he loses. 

Which country looks more stable? 


You know that social stability normally refers to more than one day, right?
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Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Aug 5th, 2024 at 12:12pm:
"in China there was very high satisfaction with the central government."

And you'd better believe it or the party will wonder about your mental health ......


Your error: the Harvard pollster team asked people in their homes, not the CCP.


Exactly - where did you get your rather odd interpretation of what I posted?  It matters not where people were polled - without a beamingly positive response for the party, your mental health would be considered suspect...

You are a very confused person...
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Reply #28 - Aug 5th, 2024 at 5:04pm
 
freediver wrote on Aug 5th, 2024 at 1:21pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 5th, 2024 at 12:10pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 4th, 2024 at 1:03pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 4th, 2024 at 1:00pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 4th, 2024 at 12:04pm:
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Pro rata, in the civil war, and wars of extermination.


So when you say that China compares "more favourably" than the US on social stability, you are comparing the CCP's reign with the American civil war, plus a few others?


I am comparing today's CCP with today's dysfunctional neoliberal US government; we all need to be aware of the latter's failures.




So China is only more stable "today"? Are you trying to exclude the CCP killing 100 million Chinese citizens from your claim about stability?


Yes, with Harvard polls showing the CCP has more support than the US government.

https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2020/07/long-term-survey-reveals-chinese-...

9 July 2020 — The survey team found that compared to public opinion patterns in the U.S., in China there was very high satisfaction with the central governement.

Meanwhile  Trump is saying the US will collapse into chaos if he loses. 

Which country looks more stable? 


You know that social stability normally refers to more than one day, right?


Low IQ; we are looking at chaos in the US according to Trump himself, if he loses; whereas Chinese citizens are comparatively satisfied with their government...reinforced  as they observe the increasing hyperpartisan chaos in the US.   
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Reply #29 - Aug 5th, 2024 at 5:07pm
 
Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Aug 5th, 2024 at 2:49pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 5th, 2024 at 12:15pm:
Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Aug 5th, 2024 at 12:12pm:
"in China there was very high satisfaction with the central government."

And you'd better believe it or the party will wonder about your mental health ......


Your error: the Harvard pollster team asked people in their homes, not the CCP.


Exactly - where did you get your rather odd interpretation of what I posted?  It matters not where people were polled - without a beamingly positive response for the party, your mental health would be considered suspect...

You are a very confused person...


Funny, coming from you:

We are not talking about what the CCP thinks of my - or anyone else's - mental health,  do try to keep up, oh confused one. 
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thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 5th, 2024 at 5:04pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 5th, 2024 at 1:21pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 5th, 2024 at 12:10pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 4th, 2024 at 1:03pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 4th, 2024 at 1:00pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 4th, 2024 at 12:04pm:
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Pro rata, in the civil war, and wars of extermination.


So when you say that China compares "more favourably" than the US on social stability, you are comparing the CCP's reign with the American civil war, plus a few others?


I am comparing today's CCP with today's dysfunctional neoliberal US government; we all need to be aware of the latter's failures.




So China is only more stable "today"? Are you trying to exclude the CCP killing 100 million Chinese citizens from your claim about stability?


Yes, with Harvard polls showing the CCP has more support than the US government.

https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2020/07/long-term-survey-reveals-chinese-...

9 July 2020 — The survey team found that compared to public opinion patterns in the U.S., in China there was very high satisfaction with the central governement.

Meanwhile  Trump is saying the US will collapse into chaos if he loses. 

Which country looks more stable? 


You know that social stability normally refers to more than one day, right?


Low IQ; we are looking at chaos in the US according to Trump himself, if he loses; whereas Chinese citizens are comparatively satisfied with their government...reinforced  as they observe the increasing hyperpartisan chaos in the US.   


So the CCP has killed about 100 million of it's own citizens, but it is more "socially stable" than the US because of Trump's "chaos"?

Normally I would point out the the apparent chaos around democratic elections is far better than a civil war every time there is a change of government, but the CCP has managed to kill more people than any other government in world history, and only a part of that was in the process of gaining power. They killed far more people by trying to help them.

Perhaps you think China is more stable because the government manages to get people to die quietly?
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I said that now pressure will be put on India and now there is the overthrow of the Prime Minister of Bangladesh.

It is not difficult to understand which country its Muslim population will be thrown against, given the fact that the country is surrounded on all sides by India and slightly borders Myanmar, which is also turbulent.
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Reply #32 - Aug 6th, 2024 at 12:39pm
 
freediver wrote on Aug 5th, 2024 at 5:24pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 5th, 2024 at 5:04pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 5th, 2024 at 1:21pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 5th, 2024 at 12:10pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 4th, 2024 at 1:03pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 4th, 2024 at 1:00pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 4th, 2024 at 12:04pm:
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Pro rata, in the civil war, and wars of extermination.


So when you say that China compares "more favourably" than the US on social stability, you are comparing the CCP's reign with the American civil war, plus a few others?


I am comparing today's CCP with today's dysfunctional neoliberal US government; we all need to be aware of the latter's failures.




So China is only more stable "today"? Are you trying to exclude the CCP killing 100 million Chinese citizens from your claim about stability?


Yes, with Harvard polls showing the CCP has more support than the US government.

https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2020/07/long-term-survey-reveals-chinese-...

9 July 2020 — The survey team found that compared to public opinion patterns in the U.S., in China there was very high satisfaction with the central government.

Meanwhile  Trump is saying the US will collapse into chaos if he loses. 

Which country looks more stable? 


You know that social stability normally refers to more than one day, right?


Low IQ; we are looking at chaos in the US according to Trump himself, if he loses; whereas Chinese citizens are comparatively satisfied with their government...reinforced  as they observe the increasing hyperpartisan chaos in the US.   


So the CCP has killed about 100 million of it's own citizens, but it is more "socially stable" than the US because of Trump's "chaos"?
 

Yes.

You are confusing mismagement of the Chinese economy in the past - which was subsequently  addressed and fixed,  with dysfunction  of the neoliberal free market now, which is tearing the US apart, not to mention much of the world. 

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Normally I would point out the the apparent chaos around democratic elections is far better than a civil war every time there is a change of government,


Your error: the government remains the same in China, only policies change, without a civil war. If Xi keeps growing the economy, the citizens are satisfied 

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but the CCP has managed to kill more people than any other government in world history, and only a part of that was in the process of gaining power. They killed far more people by trying to help them.


And now, the CCP is the government of a more stable, faster growing economy than the US, eradicating poverty at the fastest rate of any nation in history. 

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Perhaps you think China is more stable because the government manages to get people to die quietly?


No. In fact the CCP lifted covid restrictions because the people demanded it, despite the possibility of more covid deaths (which the government wanted to avoid).
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Reply #33 - Aug 6th, 2024 at 12:48pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 6th, 2024 at 12:39pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 5th, 2024 at 5:24pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 5th, 2024 at 5:04pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 5th, 2024 at 1:21pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 5th, 2024 at 12:10pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 4th, 2024 at 1:03pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 4th, 2024 at 1:00pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 4th, 2024 at 12:04pm:
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Pro rata, in the civil war, and wars of extermination.


So when you say that China compares "more favourably" than the US on social stability, you are comparing the CCP's reign with the American civil war, plus a few others?


I am comparing today's CCP with today's dysfunctional neoliberal US government; we all need to be aware of the latter's failures.




So China is only more stable "today"? Are you trying to exclude the CCP killing 100 million Chinese citizens from your claim about stability?


Yes, with Harvard polls showing the CCP has more support than the US government.

https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2020/07/long-term-survey-reveals-chinese-...

9 July 2020 — The survey team found that compared to public opinion patterns in the U.S., in China there was very high satisfaction with the central government.

Meanwhile  Trump is saying the US will collapse into chaos if he loses. 

Which country looks more stable? 


You know that social stability normally refers to more than one day, right?


Low IQ; we are looking at chaos in the US according to Trump himself, if he loses; whereas Chinese citizens are comparatively satisfied with their government...reinforced  as they observe the increasing hyperpartisan chaos in the US.   


So the CCP has killed about 100 million of it's own citizens, but it is more "socially stable" than the US because of Trump's "chaos"?
 

Yes.

You are confusing mismagement of the Chinese economy in the past - which was subsequently  addressed and fixed,  with dysfunction  of the neoliberal free market now, which is tearing the US apart, not to mention much of the world. 


This is about neither mismanagement, nor dysfunction. You compared their stability. Are you incapable of following through on one thought for more than a sentence? Is that what a CCP brainwashing education produces? A highly trained parrot?
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Reply #34 - Aug 7th, 2024 at 1:17pm
 
freediver wrote on Aug 6th, 2024 at 12:48pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 6th, 2024 at 12:39pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 5th, 2024 at 5:24pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 5th, 2024 at 5:04pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 5th, 2024 at 1:21pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 5th, 2024 at 12:10pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 4th, 2024 at 1:03pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 4th, 2024 at 1:00pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 4th, 2024 at 12:04pm:
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Pro rata, in the civil war, and wars of extermination.


So when you say that China compares "more favourably" than the US on social stability, you are comparing the CCP's reign with the American civil war, plus a few others?


I am comparing today's CCP with today's dysfunctional neoliberal US government; we all need to be aware of the latter's failures.




So China is only more stable "today"? Are you trying to exclude the CCP killing 100 million Chinese citizens from your claim about stability?


Yes, with Harvard polls showing the CCP has more support than the US government.

https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2020/07/long-term-survey-reveals-chinese-...

9 July 2020 — The survey team found that compared to public opinion patterns in the U.S., in China there was very high satisfaction with the central government.

Meanwhile  Trump is saying the US will collapse into chaos if he loses. 

Which country looks more stable? 


You know that social stability normally refers to more than one day, right?


Low IQ; we are looking at chaos in the US according to Trump himself, if he loses; whereas Chinese citizens are comparatively satisfied with their government...reinforced  as they observe the increasing hyperpartisan chaos in the US.   


So the CCP has killed about 100 million of it's own citizens, but it is more "socially stable" than the US because of Trump's "chaos"?
 

Yes.

You are confusing mismagement of the Chinese economy in the past - which was subsequently  addressed and fixed,  with dysfunction  of the neoliberal free market now, which is tearing the US apart, not to mention much of the world. 


This is about neither mismanagement, nor dysfunction.


Mao mismanaged collective farming 60 years ago; and the US is suffering from neoliberal free market dysfunction NOW (along with much of the world, though Biden at last wound back free market dogma, with his CHIPS and 'IRA' bills, in an attempt to stop China walking all over the US).

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You compared their stability.


Correct: stability being an enabler of prosperous national development. 

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Are you incapable of following through on one thought for more than a sentence?


....while you are incapable of considering two concepts simultaneously?

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Is that what a CCP brainwashing education produces?


No.

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No.
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India has nuclear weapons.

India has a space program.

Why is the rest of Indian society a pile of feces.

Is it because the petit bureaucrats would lose their wealth, power and influence if there was a widespread growth of literacy, technology, justice, and wealth in India?

India is corrupt throughout its society and the people accept corruption.
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The CCP killed about 100 million of it's own citizens through "mismanagement". Not just with the Great Chinese Famine. It has been steadily slaughtering Chinese people since it was first formed. It is still doing it. It's mismanagement of the covid outbreak is just the latest in a long string the CCP's deadly incompetence.

How many Americans has the US government killed?

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Correct: stability being an enabler of prosperous national development.


Would you describe China's rapid transition from starving it's citizens to death in the millions by trying to feed them all equally to a free market economy as a period of stability?
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Laugh till you cry wrote on Aug 7th, 2024 at 1:33pm:
India has nuclear weapons.

India has a space program.

Why is the rest of Indian society a pile of feces.

Is it because the petit bureaucrats would lose their wealth, power and influence if there was a widespread growth of literacy, technology, justice, and wealth in India?

India is corrupt throughout its society and the people accept corruption.


The disgusting ancient caste system, which plays a role,  has at last been abolished, but:
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"India's caste system was officially abolished in 1950, but the 2,000-year-old social hierarchy imposed on people by birth still exists in many aspects of life. The caste system categorizes Hindus at birth, defining their place in society, what jobs they can do and who they can marry.
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freediver wrote on Aug 7th, 2024 at 5:47pm:
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Mao mismanaged collective farming 60 years ago; and the US is suffering from neoliberal free market dysfunction NOW


The CCP killed about 100 million of it's own citizens through "mismanagement".


Correct (disregarding the exaggerated numbers).   

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Not just with the Great Chinese Famine. It has been steadily slaughtering Chinese people since it was first formed. It is still doing it. It's mismanagement of the covid outbreak is just the latest in a long string the CCP's deadly incompetence.


That's funny, I was going to ask you how many US citizens died owing to Trump's covid  mismanagement....

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How many Americans has the US government killed?


That's the question right there (apart from US government failure leading to the civil war).

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Would you describe China's rapid transition from starving it's citizens to death in the millions by trying to feed them all equally to a free market economy as a period of stability?


You are confusing instability with stability; since 1990, stability in China has accompanied the fastest reduction in poverty in history, compared with the  political instability in the US - erupting spectacularly in the Capitol riots, and still ongoing in the nation's insane  hyperpartisanship, as a result of the failure of neoliberal free markets to increase the standard of living for all, not just the fortunate. 

China manages the greed inherent in neoliberal free markets via necessary regulation of the private sector, unlike the US where private money buys-off much-needed regulation by Congress.
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Reply #39 - Aug 8th, 2024 at 2:51pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 8th, 2024 at 12:47pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 7th, 2024 at 5:47pm:
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Mao mismanaged collective farming 60 years ago; and the US is suffering from neoliberal free market dysfunction NOW


The CCP killed about 100 million of it's own citizens through "mismanagement".


Correct (disregarding the exaggerated numbers).   


How many Chinese people do you think the CCP has killed?

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You are confusing instability with stability; since 1990, stability in China has accompanied the fastest reduction in poverty in history


So you think this rapid change is actually stability, but I am confusing stability with instability?

Isn't one of the reasons the current leader put the handbrake on the economy because the change was too fast?

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compared with the  political instability in the US


You said social stability.

On political instability, the US has kept the same system of government for centuries, with the civil war being the only real challenge to it. On the other hand, the CCP has only been in power since after WWII, and has had to kill about 100 million of its own citizens to gain and hold on to that power. There have been no fundamental changes to US economic policy in the time that China has transitioned from starvation communism to market liberalisation.
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freediver wrote on Aug 8th, 2024 at 2:51pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 8th, 2024 at 12:47pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 7th, 2024 at 5:47pm:
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Mao mismanaged collective farming 60 years ago; and the US is suffering from neoliberal free market dysfunction NOW


The CCP killed about 100 million of it's own citizens through "mismanagement".


Correct (disregarding the exaggerated numbers).   


How many Chinese people do you think the CCP has killed?


By intention - zero (apart from state-destroying 'freedom values' ideologues)

How many do you think the US governmnent has killed?

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So you think this rapid change is actually stability, but I am confusing stability with instability?


Low IQ (but at least you serve as a useful idiot in this debate).

Political stability in conjunction with rapid economic growth.

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Isn't one of the reasons the current leader put the handbrake on the economy because the change was too fast?


No; the current slowdown in China is due to external geopolitical factors (paranoid US-led "decoupling"); and  the anti-socialist tendencies  of individual self-interest-driven neoliberal free markets experienced within China, working against  the nation's goal of 'common prosperity. The third plenum   directly addressed these anti-socialist forces, it remains to be seen if the CCP has discovered the necessary solutions, in the new anti-globalist, "decoupling world.

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You said social stability.


Meaning political instability, sadly lacking the in the US at present - and India with its ghastly poverty affecting 700 million, and ignorance among diverse groups and beliefs. 

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On political instability, the US has kept the same system of government for centuries, with the civil war being the only real challenge to it.


Correct: at the cost of 600,000 dead in the civil war.

But now that system of government is fraying again:

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Texit leader slams 'delusional' Dr. Phil for downplaying civil war

Daniel Miller, leader of the Texas Nationalist Movement (TNM), went on an angry tirade against Dr. Phil after appearing on his talk show to discuss the country's key secession movements.

Moonshot, a research company that monitors online extremism, said it tracked 1,599 calls for a civil war — a 633 percent increase from a normal day — the day after the shooting.

Against this tense backdrop, Miller says ever-more Texans want out of the union.

The separation, dubbed Texit, takes its name from Britain's 'Brexit' from the European Union.

Miller says his movement, created in 2005, has never been so close to achieving its goal.

He wants the state legislature to pass a law allowing a referendum on breaking away.

The US Constitution, however, has no clause allowing states to do this.

Indeed, the secession of Southern states including Texas in 1861 led to the Civil War, the bloodiest conflict in US history.

It's getting more popular thanks to the influx of asylum seekers at the border with Mexico, Miller says.

Texans feel they'd do a better job of managing the frontier without the federal government tying their hands, he adds.


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On the other hand, the CCP has only been in power since after WWII, and has had to kill about 100 million of its own citizens to gain and hold on to that power.


But the CCP - unlike the US government - has learnt fast; since 1990, it has eradicated poverty at the fastest rate in history, and gained the support of the population,  compared with the stagnation in median wages (see the latest MMT post) , and shrinking middle class in the US over the same period up to the present, leading to social instability in the latter.   

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There have been no fundamental changes to US economic policy in the time that China has transitioned from starvation communism to market liberalisation.


Correct...but THAT is the problem - adherence to self-interest-driven neoliberal free markets, as opposed to state-driven 'common prosperity' markets in China. 

Hope this helps....


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Why does FleaDriver divert numerous strings to his favorite subject of how many people the Chinese killed with failed economic and political policies?

It has nothing to do with India.
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India not only has insoluble problems, it is the definition of insoluble problems.

What happened in India after Ghandi? Nothing much. Every problem India solves causes two more problems.

Is the real problem that Indians don't deserve freedom, democracy, and justice because they don't want to be free. They want to have masters and owners because then they can claim they have no control over their destiny.

India is full of Swamis, Gurus, Fakirs, and f*ckers who don't give a f*ck. No genuine leaders. No people with visionary ideals.

It doesn't appear that India has the leaders or the will to pull itself out of the swamp and evolve.

Every Indian with half a brain leaves and goes elsewhere because they don't see economic and political salvation in India.
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thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 9th, 2024 at 12:30pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 8th, 2024 at 2:51pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 8th, 2024 at 12:47pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 7th, 2024 at 5:47pm:
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Mao mismanaged collective farming 60 years ago; and the US is suffering from neoliberal free market dysfunction NOW


The CCP killed about 100 million of it's own citizens through "mismanagement".


Correct (disregarding the exaggerated numbers).   


How many Chinese people do you think the CCP has killed?


By intention - zero (apart from state-destroying 'freedom values' ideologues)


How many fall into the "apart from" excuse for the CCP's mass murder of its own citizens?

You are yet to explain how going from starvation communism to a liberal market driving a massive increase in wealth counts as stability. Either political or social. It is one of the most rapid changes in the last century.

Is it just because you equate wealth with stability and want to credit it to stability so you don't have to acknowledge that the Chinese Communist Party has turned into those capitalist ideologues that it spent a better part of a century trying to slaughter?

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o; the current slowdown in China is due to external geopolitical factors (paranoid US-led "decoupling")


It is because the CCP is decoupled from reality by believing its own hubris. It has seen the success of capitalism but fears the economic freedom granted to citizens may lead to demands for other types of freedom, human rights, or the expansion of democracy.

The CCP does not need the US government to decouple from the global economy. It is more than capable of stuffing things up on its own. Like when the lights literally went out because the CCP put a trade embargo on Australian coal. Didn't think that one through, did they?

One thing you are right about, most of the CCP's victims were not deliberately targeted. Thought tens of millions were, merely for having the wrong opinion. Most of the people the CCP killed, they were actually trying to help. Like the Great Chinese Famine. The only thing more dangerous than a Nazi trying to exterminate you is a communist trying to help you.
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FleaDriver believes the answer to India's problems is in China.

He is desperately delving into his propaganda bag to demonstrate it.
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Re: Crapocracy? India ‘one of the worst autocratisers’
Reply #45 - Aug 10th, 2024 at 10:56am
 
Laugh till you cry wrote on Aug 10th, 2024 at 9:28am:
FleaDriver believes the answer to India's problems is in China.

He is desperately delving into his propaganda bag to demonstrate it.


Correct, and ignoring the current crappy conditions in the US: eg

Daily Mail

Story by Germania Rodriguez Poleo, Chief U.S. Reporter For Dailymail.Com • 11h •

West coast neighborhood in chaos over homeless camp

A neighborhood in Southeast Portland has spiraled into chaos as the locals clash with those living in a homeless encampment.

Portland residents say the area has become like a 'war zone' as as tension continues rising between locals and the homeless who have lined the streets with tarps and tents.

Lacey, a woman living in the encampment, told KGW8 that someone hit her dog with a car, leaving him with a broken leg and open gash.

'It's terrible... Cars come by super fast, they try to hit us … I don’t want to be out here. No one really wants to be out here,' Lacey told the outlet.

The area has had a long row of RVs and tents for years, but tensions have reached new heights in recent months with locals and the homeless engaging in confrontations daily.

'This is really bad right now. I mean this is like a war zone. It could be a war zone,' said Nancy Shannon, who lives nearby and often drives past the camp.

Shannon added that she has contacted city officials about the camp many times but has not received a response.

However, Porland mayor Ted Wheeler has claimed the site is posted for removal.

But Shannon claimed; 'They tag them, which they just did, and then they come and clean them up. Well, two hours later they’re back.'

Earlier this year, Portland's City Council unanimously approved new rules that say homeless people who camp on public property and reject offers of shelter could be fined up to $100 or sentenced to up to seven days in jail.

When shelter is not available, the same penalties apply for blocking sidewalks, using gas heaters or starting fires, or having belongings more than 2 feet outside of tents.


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Ofcourse,  "offers of shelter" come with a high price tag, typically demanding 3 jobs to cover the rents charged, given the wage slavery associated with the minimiun wage in the US.

In the nation with the largest GDP in the planet.

Deplorable, courtesy of FD's failing [i]self-interest-based,  neoliberal (private-sector) 'free-markets.

Let's see what Modi can achieve in India during his next term, with the same private sector ideology.   






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Re: Crapocracy? India ‘one of the worst autocratisers’
Reply #46 - Aug 10th, 2024 at 11:26am
 
freediver wrote on Aug 10th, 2024 at 9:25am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 9th, 2024 at 12:30pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 8th, 2024 at 2:51pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 8th, 2024 at 12:47pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 7th, 2024 at 5:47pm:
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Mao mismanaged collective farming 60 years ago; and the US is suffering from neoliberal free market dysfunction NOW


The CCP killed about 100 million of it's own citizens through "mismanagement".


Correct (disregarding the exaggerated numbers).   


How many Chinese people do you think the CCP has killed?


By intention - zero (apart from state-destroying 'freedom values' ideologues)


How many fall into the "apart from" excuse for the CCP's mass murder of its own citizens?


About 5% who are blind "freedom values" ideologues like you,  the other 95% support the CCP's policies. (Harvard research poll).

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You are yet to explain how going from starvation communism to a liberal market driving a massive increase in wealth counts as stability. Either political or social. It is one of the most rapid changes in the last century.


You are merely displaying your low IQ. The CCP has achieved fast economic growth for all, during the period of political stability in China  post 1990. 

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Is it just because you equate wealth with stability and want to credit it to stability so you don't have to acknowledge that the Chinese Communist Party has turned into those capitalist ideologues that it spent a better part of a century trying to slaughter?


No. See my previous post; and now both the US AND China are dealing with the limits of private sector free markets re achieving common prosperity.

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It is because the CCP is decoupled from reality by believing its own hubris.


Where js the 'hubris' in overseeing the most productive  PV and EV industries in the world? You lose - while Yellen is crying about Chinese "overproduction", because the US can't compete.


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It has seen the success of capitalism but fears the economic freedom granted to citizens may lead to demands for other types of freedom, human rights, or the expansion of democracy.


...Your delusional "freedom values" narrative, resulting in the enforced "freedom" to (illegally) live in tents in city streets in the US. 

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The CCP does not need the US government to decouple from the global economy.


Indeed, the CCP is taking the US and EU to the WTO, because of the illegal US-led decoupling efforts, in a miserable attempt to contain China's rise.

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  It is more than capable of stuffing things up on its own. Like when the lights literally went out because the CCP put a trade embargo on Australian coal. Didn't think that one through, did they?


A mistake - yes; reversed when the RW Morrison government was turfed out in Oz.

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One thing you are right about, most of the CCP's victims were not deliberately targeted. Thought tens of millions were, merely for having the wrong opinion. Most of the people the CCP killed, they were actually trying to help. Like the Great Chinese Famine. The only thing more dangerous than a Nazi trying to exterminate you is a communist trying to help you.


Given the self-interest inherent in human nature, Marxism has had a major problem in replacing th ancient, vicious, self-interested private sector markets,  with an economy which works for all.

So history is indeed a disaster (endless wars, civil wars, entrenched poverty). 

But now we can look forward to a future with common prosperity, as new systems for dealing with the egregious outcomes of greed-based private-sector markets are developed.

Stop trying to engender your vicious "China threat" theory, and attend to your own failings.


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Re: Crapocracy? India ‘one of the worst autocratisers’
Reply #47 - Aug 10th, 2024 at 11:50am
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 10th, 2024 at 10:56am:
Laugh till you cry wrote on Aug 10th, 2024 at 9:28am:
FleaDriver believes the answer to India's problems is in China.

He is desperately delving into his propaganda bag to demonstrate it.


Correct, and ignoring the current crappy conditions in the US: eg

Daily Mail

Story by Germania Rodriguez Poleo, Chief U.S. Reporter For Dailymail.Com • 11h •

West coast neighborhood in chaos over homeless camp

A neighborhood in Southeast Portland has spiraled into chaos as the locals clash with those living in a homeless encampment.

Portland residents say the area has become like a 'war zone' as as tension continues rising between locals and the homeless who have lined the streets with tarps and tents.

Lacey, a woman living in the encampment, told KGW8 that someone hit her dog with a car, leaving him with a broken leg and open gash.

'It's terrible... Cars come by super fast, they try to hit us … I don’t want to be out here. No one really wants to be out here,' Lacey told the outlet.

The area has had a long row of RVs and tents for years, but tensions have reached new heights in recent months with locals and the homeless engaging in confrontations daily.

'This is really bad right now. I mean this is like a war zone. It could be a war zone,' said Nancy Shannon, who lives nearby and often drives past the camp.

Shannon added that she has contacted city officials about the camp many times but has not received a response.

However, Porland mayor Ted Wheeler has claimed the site is posted for removal.

But Shannon claimed; 'They tag them, which they just did, and then they come and clean them up. Well, two hours later they’re back.'

Earlier this year, Portland's City Council unanimously approved new rules that say homeless people who camp on public property and[highlight] reject offers of shelter could be fined up to $100 or sentenced to up to seven days in jail.[/highlight]

When shelter is not available, the same penalties apply for blocking sidewalks, using gas heaters or starting fires, or having belongings more than 2 feet outside of tents.


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Ofcourse,  "offers of shelter" come with a high price tag, typically demanding 3 jobs to cover the rents charged, given the wage slavery associated with the minimiun wage in the US.

In the nation with the largest GDP in the planet.

Deplorable, courtesy of FD's failing [i]self-interest-based,  neoliberal (private-sector) 'free-markets.

Let's see what Modi can achieve in India during his next term, with the same private sector ideology.   



7 days in jail for a homeless person might be a greater benefit than a punishment. Free shelter, free food, toilet facilities, shower. Could be heaven.

FleaDriver and his associated would benefit from 7 days in jail.
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