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Reply #45 - Apr 27th, 2024 at 1:26pm
 
freediver wrote on Apr 27th, 2024 at 12:53pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 27th, 2024 at 12:43pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 27th, 2024 at 12:31pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 27th, 2024 at 12:26pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 26th, 2024 at 8:34pm:
Nothing is usually the best we can hope a politician does.


Spoken like a true survival of the fittest, individual freedom,  free market ideologue.

Deplorable.

Your free market, 'small government'  ideology - currently accepted by all pollies - is THE problem. 

Meanwhile of course currency-issuing goverments don't NEED to tax (or borrow)  in order to fund governement spending, by definition.

Go back to sleep. 


Do you remember the time the CCP thought it would be a great idea to feed the Chinese people rather than letting them feed themselves?

They starved about 50 million of them to death.


I remember the time I realized I was debating a madman with his delusional "individual freedom" ideology.

Of course the first requirement of government is to guarantee the provision of essentials to the population; and - oh dense one - apart from farmers, people can't "feed" themselves[/b] (a lettuce growing  in a pot on the terrace doesn't cut the mustard....) 


Do only madmen criticise the CCP?


No - oh dense one. And have you already forgotten  I myself criticized CCP fiscal policy adhering to the PBofC/Treasury who follow current Western economic orthodoxy? 

So.... back to the topic:

Exactly who, and how much, do YOU think should  pay tax, in Oz?


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Re: Australian tax increase - highest in OECD.
Reply #46 - Apr 27th, 2024 at 1:42pm
 
freediver wrote on Apr 27th, 2024 at 12:32pm:
John Smith wrote on Apr 27th, 2024 at 12:16pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 27th, 2024 at 12:00pm:
John Smith wrote on Apr 27th, 2024 at 11:28am:
freediver wrote on Apr 27th, 2024 at 11:18am:
John Smith wrote on Apr 27th, 2024 at 11:06am:
freediver wrote on Apr 27th, 2024 at 10:18am:
John Smith wrote on Apr 26th, 2024 at 9:38pm:
Only wage earners pay taxes in Australia. 


As you would expect, John is very confused.


Nothing confusing about it. The tax system is screwed and favours those not on a wage.


So if I earned all my money through a share portfolio, I would not have to pay any income tax?


no idea


Yeah I know.

Who is it that you think does not have to pay income tax? Contractors?


contractors, small business owners etc ... workers other than PAYE earners.


Just to clarify, you actually think they pay no income tax?


No, you dumbarse. I think they pay a lot less then they should.
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Re: Australian tax increase - highest in OECD.
Reply #47 - Apr 27th, 2024 at 2:25pm
 
freediver wrote on Apr 27th, 2024 at 11:18am:
John Smith wrote on Apr 27th, 2024 at 11:06am:
freediver wrote on Apr 27th, 2024 at 10:18am:
John Smith wrote on Apr 26th, 2024 at 9:38pm:
Only wage earners pay taxes in Australia. 


As you would expect, John is very confused.


Nothing confusing about it. The tax system is screwed and favours those not on a wage.


So if I earned all my money through a share portfolio, I would not have to pay any income tax?


MMm... yeeee-ussssh ... but cunning manipulation would ensure that your 'tax burden' for running this 'business' was minimal... and there's the rub...  it's like house hoarding and all the perks - the only business in town - apart from shareholding etc - that appears to run at a loss year after year and yet still provide a more than adequate income for splendour splashing around....

Mind you - shareholding is more RISKY than house hoarding - there is always the chance that your Gordon Gecko will crash the company into a wall and be forced to exit with only a few tens of millions or that over-stretching their imagination beyond their capabilities will get 'management' to spread too widely and in the wrong areas and undermine their central purpose ... now what kind of mo-ron thinks that investing in Palestinian war bonds will prop up their New York insurance company, for instance?   ... or that entering the same market, as I've seen companies do, where the exploiters of labour on 'contracts' undercut by up to 80%, and imagine that somehow your full paying group will compete???

House hoarding, on the other hand, is propped up by the banks and by governments who have a self-interest in it!!!  It will never fail! as long as politicians benefit from it as long as they permit banks to run rough-shod over normal home buyers (a 'business plan' doesn't suffer divorce, sickness, injury, downturn in income, job collapse, national economic collapse, half income vanishing to establish family, death and so forth... a 'business plan' lives like the cancer it is - FOREVER!).

Somebody mentioned contractors ... well - unless reinforced in the, for example, building industry by your despised Unions, most of them would be in a freefall free-for-all with 'management' intent on cutting costs before they cut investors' throats and 'go bust' right on 'end-of-construction', and leave town owing banks and other millions... and thus would be forever trying to squeeze more jobs in to make ends meet while effectively going out feet first...... more jobs at lower profitability does not equate to prosperity... tell it to the workers... the 'dumb cattle' so despised out there who prop up the country.....

What makes you imagine that any single word of that supports any single stance of Albo or his like, who benefit mightily from all those wrongs?

People's Rights Forever!  And Justice For All!!

** what part of 'for example' do you find difficult to swallow?  Some here and elsewhere must be twelve years old the way they think and assume they know everything.... for example - what kind of mo-ron would even suggest handing to the Victorian Abos the profits from renewable energy sources being set up?  WADR - some dopey overpaid Labor sheila with a foreign name and face.... FFS.  Re-open the asylums ............... ten seconds in the country and know it all.... Jesus...
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Re: Australian tax increase - highest in OECD.
Reply #48 - Apr 27th, 2024 at 2:37pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 27th, 2024 at 1:10pm:
Blame Howard & Costello, idiot!


Easy - I blame them all.... every time I post a learned expose` of the arsery that actually goes on - I have visions of politicians reading it with a dumb-founded look on the face - "What's he talking about here? Nothing wrong with my house portfolio or my massively preferential super for retirement when millions are facing P-T/C and long term negative earnings and Tent Cities, or my shares portfolio... they're holding up fine... just another whining peasant..... should've learned to get on the gravy train... huk, huk."

Little wonder (not Stevie)....

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Re: Australian tax increase - highest in OECD.
Reply #49 - Apr 27th, 2024 at 2:40pm
 
John Smith wrote on Apr 27th, 2024 at 1:42pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 27th, 2024 at 12:32pm:
John Smith wrote on Apr 27th, 2024 at 12:16pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 27th, 2024 at 12:00pm:
John Smith wrote on Apr 27th, 2024 at 11:28am:
freediver wrote on Apr 27th, 2024 at 11:18am:
John Smith wrote on Apr 27th, 2024 at 11:06am:
freediver wrote on Apr 27th, 2024 at 10:18am:
John Smith wrote on Apr 26th, 2024 at 9:38pm:
Only wage earners pay taxes in Australia. 


As you would expect, John is very confused.


Nothing confusing about it. The tax system is screwed and favours those not on a wage.


So if I earned all my money through a share portfolio, I would not have to pay any income tax?


no idea


Yeah I know.

Who is it that you think does not have to pay income tax? Contractors?


contractors, small business owners etc ... workers other than PAYE earners.


Just to clarify, you actually think they pay no income tax?


No, you dumbarse. I think they pay a lot less then they should.


Was it you who said they should be paying tax, even if that would mean their net income goes negative?
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Re: Australian tax increase - highest in OECD.
Reply #50 - Apr 27th, 2024 at 3:10pm
 
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Apr 27th, 2024 at 2:37pm:
Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 27th, 2024 at 1:10pm:
Blame Howard & Costello, idiot!


Easy - I blame them all.... every time I post a learned expose` of the arsery that actually goes on - I have visions of politicians reading it with a dumb-founded look on the face - "What's he talking about here? Nothing wrong with my house portfolio or my massively preferential super for retirement when millions are facing P-T/C and long term negative earnings and Tent Cities, or my shares portfolio... they're holding up fine... just another whining peasant..... should've learned to get on the gravy train... huk, huk."

Little wonder (not Stevie)....

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That's true but in this election cycle we can blame Labor -
they're in power - it's their fault.

Labor was elected on Saturday 21 May 2022 -
good grief - it's take them less than 2 years to make a hell of mess of this country.

I think the Governor General needs to sack them all and call for new elections?
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Re: Australian tax increase - highest in OECD.
Reply #51 - Apr 27th, 2024 at 3:31pm
 
freediver wrote on Apr 27th, 2024 at 2:40pm:
John Smith wrote on Apr 27th, 2024 at 1:42pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 27th, 2024 at 12:32pm:
John Smith wrote on Apr 27th, 2024 at 12:16pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 27th, 2024 at 12:00pm:
John Smith wrote on Apr 27th, 2024 at 11:28am:
freediver wrote on Apr 27th, 2024 at 11:18am:
John Smith wrote on Apr 27th, 2024 at 11:06am:
freediver wrote on Apr 27th, 2024 at 10:18am:
John Smith wrote on Apr 26th, 2024 at 9:38pm:
Only wage earners pay taxes in Australia. 


As you would expect, John is very confused.


Nothing confusing about it. The tax system is screwed and favours those not on a wage.


So if I earned all my money through a share portfolio, I would not have to pay any income tax?


no idea


Yeah I know.

Who is it that you think does not have to pay income tax? Contractors?


contractors, small business owners etc ... workers other than PAYE earners.


Just to clarify, you actually think they pay no income tax?


No, you dumbarse. I think they pay a lot less then they should.


Was it you who said they should be paying tax, even if that would mean their net income goes negative?


Yes, they should pay more tax. And I say that as a small business owner and a beneficiary of the current system. 
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Re: Australian tax increase - highest in OECD.
Reply #52 - Apr 27th, 2024 at 3:32pm
 
John Smith wrote on Apr 27th, 2024 at 3:31pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 27th, 2024 at 2:40pm:
John Smith wrote on Apr 27th, 2024 at 1:42pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 27th, 2024 at 12:32pm:
John Smith wrote on Apr 27th, 2024 at 12:16pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 27th, 2024 at 12:00pm:
John Smith wrote on Apr 27th, 2024 at 11:28am:
freediver wrote on Apr 27th, 2024 at 11:18am:
John Smith wrote on Apr 27th, 2024 at 11:06am:
freediver wrote on Apr 27th, 2024 at 10:18am:
John Smith wrote on Apr 26th, 2024 at 9:38pm:
Only wage earners pay taxes in Australia. 


As you would expect, John is very confused.


Nothing confusing about it. The tax system is screwed and favours those not on a wage.


So if I earned all my money through a share portfolio, I would not have to pay any income tax?


no idea


Yeah I know.

Who is it that you think does not have to pay income tax? Contractors?


contractors, small business owners etc ... workers other than PAYE earners.


Just to clarify, you actually think they pay no income tax?


No, you dumbarse. I think they pay a lot less then they should.


Was it you who said they should be paying tax, even if that would mean their net income goes negative?


Yes, they should pay more tax. And I say that as a small business owner and a beneficiary of the current system. 


So you think the tax system should be sending otherwise profitable businesses and contractors bankrupt?
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Re: Australian tax increase - highest in OECD.
Reply #53 - Apr 27th, 2024 at 3:43pm
 
freediver wrote on Apr 27th, 2024 at 3:32pm:
John Smith wrote on Apr 27th, 2024 at 3:31pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 27th, 2024 at 2:40pm:
John Smith wrote on Apr 27th, 2024 at 1:42pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 27th, 2024 at 12:32pm:
John Smith wrote on Apr 27th, 2024 at 12:16pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 27th, 2024 at 12:00pm:
John Smith wrote on Apr 27th, 2024 at 11:28am:
freediver wrote on Apr 27th, 2024 at 11:18am:
John Smith wrote on Apr 27th, 2024 at 11:06am:
freediver wrote on Apr 27th, 2024 at 10:18am:
John Smith wrote on Apr 26th, 2024 at 9:38pm:
Only wage earners pay taxes in Australia. 


As you would expect, John is very confused.


Nothing confusing about it. The tax system is screwed and favours those not on a wage.


So if I earned all my money through a share portfolio, I would not have to pay any income tax?


no idea


Yeah I know.

Who is it that you think does not have to pay income tax? Contractors?


contractors, small business owners etc ... workers other than PAYE earners.


Just to clarify, you actually think they pay no income tax?


No, you dumbarse. I think they pay a lot less then they should.


Was it you who said they should be paying tax, even if that would mean their net income goes negative?


Yes, they should pay more tax. And I say that as a small business owner and a beneficiary of the current system. 


So you think the tax system should be sending otherwise profitable businesses and contractors bankrupt?


Are you incapable of commenting without pretending someone said something other than what they said? That must be the simpleton in you shining through.
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Re: Australian tax increase - highest in OECD.
Reply #54 - Apr 27th, 2024 at 3:45pm
 
John Smith wrote on Apr 27th, 2024 at 3:43pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 27th, 2024 at 3:32pm:
John Smith wrote on Apr 27th, 2024 at 3:31pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 27th, 2024 at 2:40pm:
John Smith wrote on Apr 27th, 2024 at 1:42pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 27th, 2024 at 12:32pm:
John Smith wrote on Apr 27th, 2024 at 12:16pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 27th, 2024 at 12:00pm:
John Smith wrote on Apr 27th, 2024 at 11:28am:
freediver wrote on Apr 27th, 2024 at 11:18am:
John Smith wrote on Apr 27th, 2024 at 11:06am:
freediver wrote on Apr 27th, 2024 at 10:18am:
John Smith wrote on Apr 26th, 2024 at 9:38pm:
Only wage earners pay taxes in Australia. 


As you would expect, John is very confused.


Nothing confusing about it. The tax system is screwed and favours those not on a wage.


So if I earned all my money through a share portfolio, I would not have to pay any income tax?


no idea


Yeah I know.

Who is it that you think does not have to pay income tax? Contractors?


contractors, small business owners etc ... workers other than PAYE earners.


Just to clarify, you actually think they pay no income tax?


No, you dumbarse. I think they pay a lot less then they should.


Was it you who said they should be paying tax, even if that would mean their net income goes negative?


Yes, they should pay more tax. And I say that as a small business owner and a beneficiary of the current system. 


So you think the tax system should be sending otherwise profitable businesses and contractors bankrupt?


Are you incapable of commenting without pretending someone said something other than what they said? That must be the simpleton in you shining through.


I'm just checking that your position really is as stupid as it seems. Often you start backpedalling. Or carrying on like a toddler who isn't getting what they want.
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Reply #55 - Apr 27th, 2024 at 3:46pm
 
John Smith wrote on Apr 27th, 2024 at 3:43pm:
Are you incapable of commenting without pretending someone said something other than what they said?
That must be the simpleton in you shining through.



John,
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Reply #56 - Apr 27th, 2024 at 4:36pm
 
freediver wrote on Apr 27th, 2024 at 3:45pm:
John Smith wrote on Apr 27th, 2024 at 3:43pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 27th, 2024 at 3:32pm:
John Smith wrote on Apr 27th, 2024 at 3:31pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 27th, 2024 at 2:40pm:
John Smith wrote on Apr 27th, 2024 at 1:42pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 27th, 2024 at 12:32pm:
John Smith wrote on Apr 27th, 2024 at 12:16pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 27th, 2024 at 12:00pm:
John Smith wrote on Apr 27th, 2024 at 11:28am:
freediver wrote on Apr 27th, 2024 at 11:18am:
John Smith wrote on Apr 27th, 2024 at 11:06am:
freediver wrote on Apr 27th, 2024 at 10:18am:
John Smith wrote on Apr 26th, 2024 at 9:38pm:
Only wage earners pay taxes in Australia. 


As you would expect, John is very confused.


Nothing confusing about it. The tax system is screwed and favours those not on a wage.


So if I earned all my money through a share portfolio, I would not have to pay any income tax?


no idea


Yeah I know.

Who is it that you think does not have to pay income tax? Contractors?


contractors, small business owners etc ... workers other than PAYE earners.


Just to clarify, you actually think they pay no income tax?


No, you dumbarse. I think they pay a lot less then they should.


Was it you who said they should be paying tax, even if that would mean their net income goes negative?


Yes, they should pay more tax. And I say that as a small business owner and a beneficiary of the current system. 


So you think the tax system should be sending otherwise profitable businesses and contractors bankrupt?


Are you incapable of commenting without pretending someone said something other than what they said? That must be the simpleton in you shining through.


I'm just checking that your position really is as stupid as it seems. Often you start backpedalling. Or carrying on like a toddler who isn't getting what they want.


I haven’t noticed that.
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Reply #57 - Apr 27th, 2024 at 5:24pm
 
There's a lot you don't notice Monk.
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Reply #58 - Apr 27th, 2024 at 5:29pm
 
freediver wrote on Apr 27th, 2024 at 3:45pm:
John Smith wrote on Apr 27th, 2024 at 3:43pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 27th, 2024 at 3:32pm:
John Smith wrote on Apr 27th, 2024 at 3:31pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 27th, 2024 at 2:40pm:
John Smith wrote on Apr 27th, 2024 at 1:42pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 27th, 2024 at 12:32pm:
John Smith wrote on Apr 27th, 2024 at 12:16pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 27th, 2024 at 12:00pm:
John Smith wrote on Apr 27th, 2024 at 11:28am:
freediver wrote on Apr 27th, 2024 at 11:18am:
John Smith wrote on Apr 27th, 2024 at 11:06am:
freediver wrote on Apr 27th, 2024 at 10:18am:
John Smith wrote on Apr 26th, 2024 at 9:38pm:
Only wage earners pay taxes in Australia. 


As you would expect, John is very confused.


Nothing confusing about it. The tax system is screwed and favours those not on a wage.


So if I earned all my money through a share portfolio, I would not have to pay any income tax?


no idea


Yeah I know.

Who is it that you think does not have to pay income tax? Contractors?


contractors, small business owners etc ... workers other than PAYE earners.


Just to clarify, you actually think they pay no income tax?


No, you dumbarse. I think they pay a lot less then they should.


Was it you who said they should be paying tax, even if that would mean their net income goes negative?


Yes, they should pay more tax. And I say that as a small business owner and a beneficiary of the current system. 


So you think the tax system should be sending otherwise profitable businesses and contractors bankrupt?


Are you incapable of commenting without pretending someone said something other than what they said? That must be the simpleton in you shining through.


I'm just checking that your position really is as stupid as it seems. Often you start backpedalling. Or carrying on like a toddler who isn't getting what they want.


My position only seems stupid to simpletons
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Reply #59 - Apr 27th, 2024 at 5:31pm
 
freediver wrote on Apr 27th, 2024 at 5:24pm:
There's a lot you don't notice Monk.



As opposed to you who sees comments that aren't there?
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