Frank wrote on Mar 26^th, 2024 at 3:12pm:


Repeating the same myth over and over again won't make it true:

'There is a widely accepted belief that United Nations General Assembly Resolution 181 “created” Israel, based upon an understanding that this resolution partitioned Palestine or otherwise conferred legal authority or legitimacy to the declaration of the existence of the state of Israel. However, despite its popularity, this belief has no basis in fact, as a review of the resolution’s history and examination of legal principles demonstrates incontrovertibly.'

https://www.jeremyrhammond.com/2010/10/26/the-myth-of-the-u-n-creation-of-israel...

freediver wrote on Mar 27^th, 2024 at 5:19pm:


After 1946 and the creation of the UN, recognition of states can  only be  achieved under international law.
....dysfunction in the UN not-withstanding (due to your delusional Classical Western 'natural individual rights" delusions resulting in absurdities like the UNSC veto, and "rules of war").   

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 29^th, 2024 at 1:18pm:


So your problem is not that the middle eastern Jews refused to die, just that the paperwork wasn't in proper order for official recognition of the state they created?

wombatwoody wrote on Mar 29^th, 2024 at 11:07pm:


Are you saying that whether it is actually a democracy is somehow irrelevant to whether it is a democracy?

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 30^th, 2024 at 9:33am:


If the UN released amended paperwork that was consistent with the current borders, would your problem go away?

wombatwoody wrote on Mar 27^th, 2024 at 10:33pm:


The author makes a good case that the UN had no authority to partition Palestine.

The UN was the West's post WW2 baby, created  to try to avoid another global calamanity; but the Muslim world wasn't consulted about carving Israel out of Palestine - a scheme long desired by British zionists, going  back to the days of global British hegemony. 

Poor Palestine, poor UN, poor humanity....

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 30^th, 2024 at 9:54am:

The UN creates nothing. That is why even Hammond has the word in inverted commas, "created".

The UN voted to approve the resolution for the creation of two states within specified borders. The Jewish leadership accepted the vote and created the State of Israel by declaring it, along the lines of the UN resolution, thereby giving the new state UN endorsed legitimacy.
The Arabs, never ever wanting or endorsing ANY Jewish state in Israel, rejected the UN resolution, rejected the declaration of creating of Israel and immediately attacked it to stangle it at birth. They failed to kill it off. Subsequently the Arabs were offered another 5 opportunities to create a Palestinian state. They rejected all of them because they are not interested in a Palestinian state.
They are only interested in the non-existence of a Jewish state in Israel, in the elimination of Israel, "from the river to the sea".  There is no Palestinian plan for an Israel in the Middle East within ANY borders.