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The Universe - The New God of the West
Nov 17th, 2023 at 7:59am
 
Although now decades old as a modern popular cultural phenomenon, is an old idea given a fresh lick of cultural paint - the rebirth of an immanent interventionist god manifesting as an internal guiding force towards optimal outcomes - the universe.

It differs from other manifestations only in that there is no anthropological central figure - e.g. no Jesus or Buddha - just a force that is the entirety of all that is yet, simultaneously, there is nothing that does not contain all of it.

Little to no effort is expended on defining this force - although it is often referred to as 'the One', but with no definition of what 'the One' is.

This lack of definition of the One is an Eastern religious concept, almost totally unknown in the West, where manifestations of god are transcendental, interventionist, and anthropomorphic.

It's not so much that, when faith is lost, people turn to anything, it's more that other ancient concepts of god are rehashed to suit the mood of contemporary culture.

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Reply #1 - Nov 17th, 2023 at 8:06am
 
Not surprising. In another topic it was noted that the decline of organised religion in the western world had led to a spiritual vacuum that was being filled by extremist cults like radical Islam and climate hysteria.
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Reply #2 - Nov 17th, 2023 at 8:11am
 
Well the Universe is by vast majority an 'invisible' and unknown quality called 'Dark Energy/Matter'. In other words - Humanity is yet to experience directly the vast majority of the Universe, although it can experience (via light, radiowaves, etc) the small minority and comprehend it to the best of their abilities.

So in essence, this Universal Supreme Entity - still ceases to exist to the senses and technologies of Human consciousness. Scientists with their 'theories' have become as ridiculous in their graspings of understanding, as Stone Age people in their stories and labels in their effort to make sense of stuff ...most of which came from the 'male arse' (fart jokes) which provided the majority of 'story' from around the world's cultures at the time.
Female creates Humans.
Males create bullshyte stories.

So thus, this Universe as a God is a false and failed attempt effort to 'own' something by people.

If anything, the cultures of Africans and even Aborigines would have a more 'nature' orientated embracing of the Universe. Both Western and Eastern, be it One God or Many - cope with 'nature' as a minimum like a small national park or botannical garden inside a big dirty cement city of godliness.
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Reply #3 - Nov 17th, 2023 at 8:12am
 

God is the one substance who possesses an infinite number of attributes (ie everything that is),  each expressing an aspect of God's nature.

https://www.gutenberg.org/files/3800/3800-h/3800-h.htm
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Reply #4 - Nov 17th, 2023 at 8:24am
 
Belgarion wrote on Nov 17th, 2023 at 8:06am:
Not surprising. In another topic it was noted that the decline of organised religion in the western world had led to a spiritual vacuum that was being filled by extremist cults like radical Islam and climate hysteria.   

Where an old 'god' is 'resurrected'; with the earth's ecology imagined as a singular, animate and sentient being, such as Gaia.

Humankind will never be 'free' of a central god concept.
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Reply #5 - Nov 17th, 2023 at 8:34am
 
Jasin wrote on Nov 17th, 2023 at 8:11am:
Well the Universe is by vast majority an 'invisible' and unknown quality called 'Dark Energy/Matter'. In other words - Humanity is yet to experience directly the vast majority of the Universe, although it can experience (via light, radiowaves, etc) the small minority and comprehend it to the best of their abilities.

In the modern religious rendition, 'the universe' is used as a metaphor for 'all that is' - the set of all things, including (mystically), itself.

It's why believers in 'the universe' take so well to quantum theories - to the layperson it appears to allow for a mystical dimension.

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Reply #6 - Nov 17th, 2023 at 8:37am
 
I can believe in Gaea (Gaia) easily enough.
Life on this world, is all connected (and traced back to its simplistic  form just beyond the Archean Age) to each other and is both a mechanism and as Humans are a part of that 'nature', our (and Dolphin, Orca, etc) minds and imaginings (consciousness) is also a part of that great Gaea state of being. We are a representation and expression of that consciousness.

Monotheism, tends to put it's 'God' up in the sky and no wonder it was an invisible God that was hard to believe - as human consciousness was both minimal in its experience of anything 'up there', let alone 'unaware' at the time of the innovation of that 'Sky God' up there.
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Reply #7 - Nov 17th, 2023 at 8:40am
 
Jasin wrote on Nov 17th, 2023 at 8:37am:
Monotheism, tends to put it's 'God' up in the sky and no wonder it was an invisible God that was hard to believe - as human consciousness was both minimal in its experience of anything 'up there', let alone 'unaware' at the time of the innovation of that 'Sky God' up there.

You're referring to the concept of a traditional transcendental god, either interventionist or non.
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Reply #9 - Nov 17th, 2023 at 6:44pm
 
Nihil novi sub sole - nothing new under the sun.

Goes for religion, too.

Modern 'religion' or spirituality, New Age &etc are not new religions, they're just forgotten old ones resurrected from the dead.
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Reply #10 - Nov 17th, 2023 at 7:03pm
 
That's true.
The only Religion I would call as authentically new in a majority of its ways, although it has sprung from Christianity.
Is Mormonism.

As an American once said to me. "We know Mormonism is crap. But it's 'made in America' and that at least is something great about it."

I'm sure Australia will mix some ingredients and formulate its own version of Religion. Though I tend to think that Southern Hemisphere Religions would empower the Individual and not so much the breeding 'mass' for the poor, etc (and the victims of 'warfare').
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Reply #11 - Nov 19th, 2023 at 6:37am
 
I’m betting most posters here have heard of Alan Watts, the man many people credit with almost single-handedly introducing mainstream Americans to Buddhism (particularly Zen Buddhism) in the 1950s and helped spawn and grow in the US, during the 1960s and ‘70s, what became loosely termed western Buddhism.

This injection of Buddhism with its core Eastern beliefs and values led to a complete rethink of religious values in the West, leading to their easternisation, and to movements such as New Age spirituality and to the notion of an immanent universal god-like force that guides 'the enlightened' towards their maximal positive outcomes.

What many may not know is, that while Watts was gifted with prodigious talent and charisma as a communicator, according to his children and those who knew him, he never practised Buddhism.

But what will really shock those who don’t know his personal backstory, Watts was a raving alcoholic who was often drunk, up to staggering, when he gave lectures. However, it takes a keen ear to discern his drunkenness through his lectures.

The man could hold his piss – at least on stage.

His eldest children, Mark, Joan and Anne have revealed in interviews that Alan and his wife, Dorothy, their mother, were both chronic alcoholics who regularly drank themselves into blind states to the point that Watts’ parents intervened and took his daughters to live in England with them to protect them from their parents’ booze-fuelled psychodramas.

Watts later became obsessed with LSD and used it regularly.

When people asked him why he continued to drink to excess, given the toll it had taken on him and his family, he replied, ‘I like myself better when I’m drinking’.

He died in 1973 at 58, most probably, according to his son, Mark, from assisted suicide after he had been diagnosed with cancer,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmscwrJ17Eo
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Reply #12 - Nov 19th, 2023 at 9:03am
 
Amy Winehouse's last interview 2 weeks before her death was with a Triple JJJ journalist who described seeing her a broken state of health by drugs and alcohol who had to 'crawl' across the floor in a dingy Club back room. All alone, all of her exploiters and friends had left her.
But when she got on stage, her performance was still exceptional and showed none of that which was apparent in the backstage room.
She died just 2 weeks later.
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Reply #13 - Nov 19th, 2023 at 9:11am
 
Jasin wrote on Nov 19th, 2023 at 9:03am:
Amy Winehouse's last interview 2 weeks before her death was with a Triple JJJ journalist who described seeing her a broken state of health by drugs and alcohol who had to 'crawl' across the floor in a dingy Club back room. All alone, all of her exploiters and friends had left her.
But when she got on stage, her performance was still exceptional and showed none of that which was apparent in the backstage room.
She died just 2 weeks later.

Well, they tried to make her go to rehab but she said, 'no, no, no'...

Watts would have said the same.
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Reply #14 - Nov 19th, 2023 at 9:16am
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 19th, 2023 at 9:11am:
Jasin wrote on Nov 19th, 2023 at 9:03am:
Amy Winehouse's last interview 2 weeks before her death was with a Triple JJJ journalist who described seeing her a broken state of health by drugs and alcohol who had to 'crawl' across the floor in a dingy Club back room. All alone, all of her exploiters and friends had left her.
But when she got on stage, her performance was still exceptional and showed none of that which was apparent in the backstage room.
She died just 2 weeks later.

Well, they tried to make her go to rehab but she said, 'no, no, no'...

Watts would have said the same.

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