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Re: Islam is the cause of the conflict
Reply #135 - Feb 21st, 2026 at 12:46pm
 
Gnads wrote on Feb 21st, 2026 at 11:56am:
Ten Obvious Reasons Why
Islam is Not a Religion of Peace



b]#1 [/b]- 18,000 deadly terror attacks committed explicitly in the name of Islam in just the last ten years.  (Other religions combined for perhaps a dozen or so).

#2 - Muhammad, the prophet of Islam, had people killed for insulting him or for criticizing his religion.  This included women.
Muslims are told to emulate the example of Muhammad.

#3 - Muhammad said in many places that he has been "ordered by Allah to fight men until they testify that there is no god but Allah and that Muhammad is his messenger."  In the last nine years of his life, he ordered no less than 65 military campaigns to do exactly that.

Muhammad inspired his men to war with the basest of motives, using captured loot, sex and a gluttonous paradise as incentives.  He beheaded captives, enslaved children and raped women captured in battle.  Again, Muslims are told to emulate the example of Muhammad.

#4 - After Muhammad died, the people who lived with him and knew his religion best immediately fell into war with each other.

Fatima, Muhammad's favorite daughter, survived the early years among the unbelievers at Mecca safe and sound, yet died of stress from the persecution of fellow Muslims only six months after her father died.  She even miscarried Muhammad's grandchild after having her ribs broken by the man who became the second caliph.

It was this same caliph, Umar, who ordered the death of the first convert to Islam at Medina, an elderly leader who became a close companion to Muhammad and proved his worth in battle.  Sa'd ibn Ubadah was killed after a failed bid to be caliph.

Fatima's husband Ali, who was the second convert to Islam and was raised like a son to Muhammad, fought a civil war against an army raised by Aisha, Muhammad's favorite wife - and one whom he had said was a "perfect woman."  10,000 Muslims were killed in a single internal battle waged less than 25 years after Muhammad's death.

Three of the first four Muslim rulers (caliphs) were murdered.  All of them were among Muhammad's closest companions.  The third caliph was killed by allies of the son of the first (who was murdered by the fifth caliph a few years later, then wrapped in the skin of a dead donkey and burned).  The fourth caliph (Ali) was stabbed to death after a bitter dispute with the fifth.  The fifth caliph went on to poison one of Muhammad's two favorite grandsons.  The other grandson was later beheaded by the sixth caliph.

The infighting and power struggles between Muhammad's family members, closest companions and their children only intensified with time.  Within 50 short years of Muhammad's death, even the Kaaba, which had stood for centuries under pagan religion, lay in ruins from internal Muslim war...

And that's just the fate of those within the house of Islam!

#5 - Muhammad directed Muslims to wage war on other religions and bring them into submission to Islam.  Within the first few decades following his death, his Arabian companions invaded and conquered Christian, Jewish, Hindu, Buddhist and Zoroastrian lands. A mere 25 years after Muhammad's death, Muslim armies had captured land and people within the modern borders of over 28 countries outside of Saudi Arabia.

#6 - Muslims continued their Jihad against other religions for 1400 years, checked only by the ability of non-Muslims to defend themselves.  To this day, not a week goes by that Islamic fundamentalists do not attempt to kill Christians, Jews, Hindus and Buddhists explicitly in the name of Allah.

None of these other religions are at war with each other.

#7 - Islam is the only religion that has to retain its membership by formally threatening to kill anyone who leaves.  This is according to the example set by Muhammad.

#8 - Islam teaches that non-Muslims are less than fully human.  Muhammad said that Muslims can be put to death for murder, but that a Muslim could never be put to death for killing a non-Muslim.

#9 - The Quran never once speaks of Allah's love for non-Muslims, but there are hundreds of verses that speak of Allah's cruelty toward and hatred of non-Muslims.

#10 - "Allahu Akbar!  Allahu Akbar!  Allahu Akbar!"
(The last words from the cockpit of Flight 93)


Yes, but you have omitted the cause of 'jidadist' Islam in the modern world ie the botched confiscation of Palestine lands by the UN to create Israel.
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Re: Islam is the cause of the conflict
Reply #136 - Feb 21st, 2026 at 12:53pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 21st, 2026 at 12:38pm:
freediver wrote on Feb 20th, 2026 at 11:39am:
So everything is the UN's fault,


re the endless ME wars - yes. 

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...and the UN is the solution to everything, even though you openly concede it is pretty much powerless to do any of the things you demand of it.


Yes. ...while the UNSC veto remains.

Which means, in the absence of a functioning international rules system, we are stuck with Trump to 'lay down the law' (for the time being).


Didn't you also demand that the US step in and do the actual enforcing for you?

Do any of the Muslims who have started the various war get any blame, or do you excuse them in order to blame the UN alone?

Who do you blame for all the wars before the UN existed? Are they also the UN's fault for not existing yet?
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Re: Islam is the cause of the conflict
Reply #137 - Feb 21st, 2026 at 1:11pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 21st, 2026 at 12:38pm:
freediver wrote on Feb 20th, 2026 at 11:39am:
So everything is the UN's fault,


re the endless ME wars - yes. 

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...and the UN is the solution to everything, even though you openly concede it is pretty much powerless to do any of the things you demand of it.


Yes. ...while the UNSC veto remains.

Which means, in the absence of a functioning international rules system, we are stuck with Trump to 'lay down the law' (for the time being).

Not good.  The first act of Trump's BOP may well be an attack in Iran...  mirroring the consequences of one of the UN's earliest resolutions (ie res.181) which started the war in the ME -  which Trump thinks he can end by bombing Iran.

But just as  the suspected war criminal Netanyahu hasn't been able to eliminate Hamas - a radical ideology created by the UN's botched creation of Israel,  so Trump won't be able to eliminate the radical islamists in Iran  - themselves a reaction to the UN's botched creation of Israel, without adopting an illegal, virtually unusable 'Hiroshima" option.

Of course Trump does have the capacity and option to take out Iran's Supreme  Leader and - with careful planning - to identify and elimate the IRGC.

Few countries would condemn Trump for doing it -  but Trump likely doesn't want to set a precedent for taking out leaders....




Yes - the UN is stuffed.
180 or more members can agree on something yet one country out of 5 -
part of the security council can Veto it.
If it only happened once per year it would be OK but it seems like a daily occurrence.

Then you have an old weak country like the UK -
which has long lost its colonial empire - 80 years ago - having a Veto
but the largest country in population of the world - the member India doesn't.



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Reply #138 - Feb 21st, 2026 at 9:57pm
 
Is the UN finished?
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