Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 7^th, 2023 at 4:16pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 7^th, 2023 at 4:16pm:


None that i can see.

In hot or cold weather the range is considerably shorter. It uses battery power to run AC and heater.

Lithium batteries only last 2000-3000 cycles doesn't matter if it's phone laptop car or home lithium battery.

Expensive to buy they will be off to scrapyard before 10 years old.

Toyota is the only brand if hybrid is what you want. Toyota have a lot of experience with these going back to Prius.

Status seeking.

Considering Electricity Bills for a House are expensive as it is.
Won't be long before people will be charging their cars for just as much.

JC Denton wrote on Sep 8^th, 2023 at 10:25pm:


More and more electric cars are appearing on our roads and in multi storey public car parks.

Electric cars are heavier than petrol run cars. Fact. Over time electric cars will cause more wear and tear on our roads and pretty much on any surface they move/park on.

These surfaces will require more frequent maintenance/upgrades.

The extra costs to maintain our roads and car parking stations will require more $$$.

I can already see that this $$$ will at some stage be required of those who own electric cars.

Bottom line? I think a new tax is en route. And this new tax is going to be aimed at anyone who owns an electric car.

Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 9^th, 2023 at 11:23pm:


No. I’ve been researching hybrid cars. These are just as heavy as electric cars AND they currently avoid excise tax.

The tax on electric cars will no doubt include hybrid cars. It will probably be marketed in such a way as to avoid APPEARING as an excise tax.

Note : My post is referring to NSW as (I live in that state lol) it represents 40% of Australia’s population.

The other thing re electric cars which I’m now finding out is that you’re up for luxury tax AND electric cars are expensive to insure (most probably because they’re being written off more easily).

Bottom line : I think I might stall the electric car purchase and wait and see what happens next. I’m pretty sure the sh1t will hit the fan with these cars as they are going to prove to be expensive to buy AND expensive to register AND expensive to insure.

Another thing which doesn’t sit comfortably with me is this: so many electric cars are being written off even for small scale accidents. Ok so where are these written off electric cars? They’re either taking a lot of space in some huge junk yard somewhere OR they’re being “quietly” reconditioned and resold as second hand electric cars elsewhere with SFA km on the odometer.

I honestly can’t find anything much to pull me in the direction of buying an electric car. I was hoping this topic might attract those of you who have bought one so I can ask a few more questions. It looks as though we’re all being cautious. Yes?

AusGeoff wrote on Sep 10^th, 2023 at 6:48pm:


Exactly. Now factor in that our cars are a depreciating item you’d have to be crazy to opt for the electric version of that car.

I honestly feel we ought to hold back and see what happens next wrt electric cars. I foresee lots of issues and challenges ....of the high cost variety.

Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 10^th, 2023 at 8:40am:


The Corolla hybrid is 20 Kg heavier than petrol car. Don't know about other brands.
https://www.toyota.com.au/-/media/toyota/main-site/vehicle-hubs/corolla/files/20...

It should be noted the tow bar option is not available with Toyota hybrid.

The electric engine in a Tesla weighs more than the Holden V8 in my Torana. 

Tesla doesn't sell spare parts if it needs to be fixed has to go back to Tesla. Insuring them is difficult i hear Tesla do their own insurance. If a Tesla is written off unlikely to be rebuilt by anyone else Tesla will disable supercharger function so can't be recharged with Tesla supercharger. I don't like how Tesla can change settings over internet without telling you.

Electric cars will depreciate quickly as time goes by battery replacement will be very expensive.

If you're happy to throw it away after 7-8 years and buy another one they might appeal to those who waste money on cars.

I wouldn't buy one and if i had one i would sell it before warranty expired.

Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 12^th, 2023 at 7:51am:


Are you a Scientologist?

This is a pretty good reason NOT to buy an electric vehicle...

A failed electric vehicle battery has caused a fire at Sydney
Airport, destroying five cars.

         

Superintendent Adam Dewberry from Fire and Rescue
NSW said that while battery fires were not uncommon,
electric vehicles were not a concern for authorities.

Superintendent Dewberry said the incident could have
been much worse.



"The aviation team were on the scene very quickly and
able to get on top of this fire. Even with the close
proximity they are to the fire... it spread fairly quickly."

A fire and rescue team monitored the battery overnight,
before handing the scene back to airport investigators.

In cases of a lithium-ion battery fire firefighters will
cool down the battery and place it in a container
with water to stop re-ignitions.

As a user of multiple lithium-ion cells, I've seen
numerous, cheaply made, Chinese knock-off
imports of safe, name-brand products such as
Sony, LG or Samsung.

Too many of these cells—usually designated as
18650, diameter x length—are what's known as
"unprotected", lacking safety features that prevent
overcharging, over-discharging, or short circuits.

If you're paying only $1.50 per cell on Alibaba or
Fishpond then you're buying potential trouble.

Tesla uses 7,104 Panasonic 18650s in their S and
X model battery packs.  Which makes it critical
for them to be a protected brand name.  If even
one of those cells shorts out, then the entire pack
can suffer a thermal runaway, which makes the
ensuing fire almost impossible to extinguish.

Not another massive battery fire?


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09-12/sydney-airport-lithium-ion-battery-causes...





By Maryanne Taouk
Posted 14h ago








Key points:

    A detached EV battery has been confirmed as the source of the fire
    Fire and rescue crews attended the scene under the control tower at Sydney Airport
    Authorities have monitored the battery overnight in case of a spark-up

Fire and Rescue NSW and the Aviation Rescue Firefighting Service battled the blaze which broke out under the control tower on the southern end of Airport Drive in Mascot.

Firefighters confirmed sparks spread from a detached lithium-ion battery from a luxury car to four nearby cars parked at the airport about 8:30pm.

Superintendent Adam Dewberry from Fire and Rescue NSW said that while battery fires were not uncommon, electric vehicles were not a concern for authorities.

Electric cars must be the first choice of white supremacists.

If I REALLY wanted to see sɹǝƃƃᴉu suffer, I'd go out and buy a few.

‘Like slave and master’: DRC miners toil for 30p an hour to fuel electric cars

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2021/nov/08/cobalt-drc-miners-toi...

Jasin wrote on Sep 13^th, 2023 at 12:47pm:


Yep what I always thought too.
And they pay premium price too!
Sad in a way though, it’s still people’s hard earned money and lives that suffer. Too trusting. More discernment would help.

I’m not the least bit interesting in electric vehicles.
There are, and were, and will be better options. Sketched history of it has proved it but overlooked for the almighty quick dollar and control.
Imagine if we ran our vehicles with H2O… oh oops that’s right… it did try to get through … but repressed.

Check out this video of an electric vehicle fire in the UK
last year... and be very concerned. 

Imagine if this double-decker bus had been in service with
50 passengers on board.

         

https://www.carsales.com.au/editorial/details/four-of-the-worlds-biggest-cities-...

A Tesla Model Y battery has a mass of  770kg,
or 1,700 lbs.

One litre of petrol has a mass of 740g which means
an average tank of petrol has a liquid mass of 40kg.

So... in your overpriced Tesla, you're already carrying
around the equivalent mass of  five (non-existent)
passengers.   How's that for "economy" LOL.

aquascoot wrote on Sep 15^th, 2023 at 5:25am:


We don't have energy security, dear. We have less than two weeks of petrol supplies in reserve. 90% of our oil comes from Asia.

If you were arguing in favour of energy security, you'd be pushing electric vehicles. Most of our power comes from domestically mined coal.

If we went renewable, most of our energy would come from Australian produced wind, geothermal and solar power. That would be true energy security.

This way, we wouldn't need to plan nuclear subs to prevent China cutting off our trade routes.

It would take a handful of years to roll out the infrastructure for EVs, as Los Angeles and other cities have. Mind you, rolling out broadband has seen people move in the other direction, towards outer suburbs, rural and regional areas where they can now work from home. Workers in a whole range of industries are no longer forced to commute, but I agree. Public transport is a far more efficient solution for commuters.

People often forget that industries like air travel, domestic heavy manufacturing and even freeways were rolled out in a very short period of time post WWII. The electricity grid itself didn't take decades to roll out. When government, industry and people work together, as they did in the post-war boom, things can happen quick.

In times of war, even quicker. Britain produced enough tanks, planes and bombs to defeat Germany in the space of two to three years.

That's the pace we need to prevent far worse global warming than we already have. We have the ability to do this. Energy security is indeed economic security. The way to achieve this is through EVs and renewables.

Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 16^th, 2023 at 6:56pm:


Why, my dear lady, I'm a shareholder in an entire public transport network, Sydney Transport.

You?

Jasin wrote on Sep 16^th, 2023 at 11:33pm:


Only in New York, dear.

Actually, in Manhattan you'd be insane to drive a ve-hic-le. The subway's less than two bucks a pop. Trains arrive every few minutes and drop you wherever you want to go.

You can buy a dollar pizza slice pretty much anywhere, so to eat and travel, your needs are assured, the only thing you need to worry about is rent.

London's just as good, but I do find their prices insane. Their system appears privatised, or close to it. Nobody seems to know. If you don't have an Oyster card, you'll pay over $12 AUD for a 2 km trip. And if you do, but travel an hour away to, say, Brighton, you'll pay about $40. Any further than that and you pay at least $120, it's cheaper to fly. 

The good thing about London is people are quite happy to walk and ride bicycles, and it's flat.

Sorry, Aquascoot, horses are restricted to Buck Pal, I'm afraid.