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Lisa Jones Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 39047 Sydney Gender:	Why would anyone want to buy an electric car? Sep 7^th, 2023 at 4:16pm Let’s go through the positives. Are there any?
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Bias_2012 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10766 Gender:	Re: Why would anyone want to buy an electric car? Reply #1 - Sep 7^th, 2023 at 4:30pm Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 7^th, 2023 at 4:16pm: Let’s go through the positives. Are there any? Not out in the bush, unless it's a hybrid, but not sure about those either
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Lisa Jones Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 39047 Sydney Gender:	Re: Why would anyone want to buy an electric car? Reply #2 - Sep 7^th, 2023 at 4:50pm Bias_2012 wrote on Sep 7^th, 2023 at 4:30pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 7^th, 2023 at 4:16pm: Let’s go through the positives. Are there any? Not out in the bush, unless it's a hybrid, but not sure about those either Good point. What about financial benefits. Are there any?
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Reply #3 - Sep 7^th, 2023 at 11:49pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 7^th, 2023 at 4:16pm:

Let’s go through the positives. Are there any?

None that i can see.

In hot or cold weather the range is considerably shorter. It uses battery power to run AC and heater.

Lithium batteries only last 2000-3000 cycles doesn't matter if it's phone laptop car or home lithium battery.

Expensive to buy they will be off to scrapyard before 10 years old.

Toyota is the only brand if hybrid is what you want. Toyota have a lot of experience with these going back to Prius.

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UnSubRocky Gold Member Offline Crocodile Hunter: Origins Posts: 25194 Rockhampton Gender:	Re: Why would anyone want to buy an electric car? Reply #4 - Sep 8^th, 2023 at 7:49pm You would think that these car owners are the pioneers of changing power sources for transport vehicles. In ten years time, you would think that electric vehicles would be the main vehicles on the road. The drying oil fields won't be around forever for the oil produced to be turned into petrol.
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Reply #6 - Sep 8^th, 2023 at 10:25pm

i am seeing increasingly more and more of them on roads

prior to about a year ago i only ever saw electric cars once every couple of weeks but now i probably see at least one every time i go out

i wonder how long lived the batteries are in them and whether they will need to be replaced at great expense in a relatively quick period of time

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Jasin Gold Member Offline Posts: 56770 Gender:	Re: Why would anyone want to buy an electric car? Reply #7 - Sep 8^th, 2023 at 11:43pm Considering Electricity Bills for a House are expensive as it is. Won't be long before people will be charging their cars for just as much.
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Re: Why would anyone want to buy an electric car?
Reply #9 - Sep 9^th, 2023 at 9:58pm

JC Denton wrote on Sep 8^th, 2023 at 10:25pm:

i am seeing increasingly more and more of them on roads

prior to about a year ago i only ever saw electric cars once every couple of weeks but now i probably see at least one every time i go out

i wonder how long lived the batteries are in them and whether they will need to be replaced at great expense in a relatively quick period of time

More and more electric cars are appearing on our roads and in multi storey public car parks.

Electric cars are heavier than petrol run cars. Fact. Over time electric cars will cause more wear and tear on our roads and pretty much on any surface they move/park on.

These surfaces will require more frequent maintenance/upgrades.

The extra costs to maintain our roads and car parking stations will require more $$$.

I can already see that this $$$ will at some stage be required of those who own electric cars.

Bottom line? I think a new tax is en route. And this new tax is going to be aimed at anyone who owns an electric car.

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Re: Why would anyone want to buy an electric car?
Reply #10 - Sep 9^th, 2023 at 11:23pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 9^th, 2023 at 9:58pm:

JC Denton wrote on Sep 8^th, 2023 at 10:25pm:

i am seeing increasingly more and more of them on roads

prior to about a year ago i only ever saw electric cars once every couple of weeks but now i probably see at least one every time i go out

i wonder how long lived the batteries are in them and whether they will need to be replaced at great expense in a relatively quick period of time

More and more electric cars are appearing on our roads and in multi storey public car parks.

Electric cars are heavier than petrol run cars. Fact. Over time electric cars will cause more wear and tear on our roads and pretty much on any surface they move/park on.

These surfaces will require more frequent maintenance/upgrades.

The extra costs to maintain our roads and car parking stations will require more $$$.

I can already see that this $$$ will at some stage be required of those who own electric cars.

Bottom line? I think a new tax is en route. And this new tax is going to be aimed at anyone who owns an electric car.

A new electric car tax is inevitable. They avoid petrol excise and GST which is a tax on a tax.

Might get a new ZR hybrid sedan for city run around. 4L per 100km. The CVT auto can have problems Toyota give it a proper 1st gear which is stronger. Servicing is pretty cheap might even let them do it.

https://www.toyota.com.au/corolla/sedan

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Reply #11 - Sep 10^th, 2023 at 8:40am

Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 9^th, 2023 at 11:23pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 9^th, 2023 at 9:58pm:

JC Denton wrote on Sep 8^th, 2023 at 10:25pm:

i am seeing increasingly more and more of them on roads

prior to about a year ago i only ever saw electric cars once every couple of weeks but now i probably see at least one every time i go out

i wonder how long lived the batteries are in them and whether they will need to be replaced at great expense in a relatively quick period of time

More and more electric cars are appearing on our roads and in multi storey public car parks.

Electric cars are heavier than petrol run cars. Fact. Over time electric cars will cause more wear and tear on our roads and pretty much on any surface they move/park on.

These surfaces will require more frequent maintenance/upgrades.

The extra costs to maintain our roads and car parking stations will require more $$$.

I can already see that this $$$ will at some stage be required of those who own electric cars.

Bottom line? I think a new tax is en route. And this new tax is going to be aimed at anyone who owns an electric car.

A new electric car tax is inevitable. They avoid petrol excise and GST which is a tax on a tax.

Might get a new ZR hybrid sedan for city run around. 4L per 100km. The CVT auto can have problems Toyota give it a proper 1st gear which is stronger. Servicing is pretty cheap might even let them do it.

https://www.toyota.com.au/corolla/sedan

No. I’ve been researching hybrid cars. These are just as heavy as electric cars AND they currently avoid excise tax.

The tax on electric cars will no doubt include hybrid cars. It will probably be marketed in such a way as to avoid APPEARING as an excise tax.

Note : My post is referring to NSW as (I live in that state lol) it represents 40% of Australia’s population.

The other thing re electric cars which I’m now finding out is that you’re up for luxury tax AND electric cars are expensive to insure (most probably because they’re being written off more easily).

Bottom line : I think I might stall the electric car purchase and wait and see what happens next. I’m pretty sure the sh1t will hit the fan with these cars as they are going to prove to be expensive to buy AND expensive to register AND expensive to insure.

Another thing which doesn’t sit comfortably with me is this: so many electric cars are being written off even for small scale accidents. Ok so where are these written off electric cars? They’re either taking a lot of space in some huge junk yard somewhere OR they’re being “quietly” reconditioned and resold as second hand electric cars elsewhere with SFA km on the odometer.

I honestly can’t find anything much to pull me in the direction of buying an electric car. I was hoping this topic might attract those of you who have bought one so I can ask a few more questions. It looks as though we’re all being cautious. Yes?

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Re: Why would anyone want to buy an electric car?
Reply #12 - Sep 10^th, 2023 at 6:48pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 10^th, 2023 at 8:40am:

[quote author=Baronvonrort link=1694067395/10#10 date=1694265829]...I honestly can’t find anything much to pull me in the direction of buying an electric car. I was hoping this topic might attract those of you who have bought one so I can ask a few more questions. It looks as though we’re all being cautious. Yes?

I'd agree; caution is the keyword with most Aussies
and electric vehicles.

At my age, there's no way I'll ever be buying one of
these rare metals, resource-heavy vehicles. And of
course the cost premium of purchase has to be a major
consideration for someone (like me) on a very limited
budget.

Currently the cheapest EV in Australia is MG Motor’s
ZS SUV, which goes for $44,990 drive away. MG Motor
also come up tops with the ultimate cheap petrol-powered
car, its 1.5-litre four-cylinder petrol MG 3 Core, which
comes in at $18,990 drive away.

Is that additional $26,000 worth it to me in order to
encourage me to purchase an EV?

Of course not. No way.

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Re: Why would anyone want to buy an electric car?
Reply #13 - Sep 10^th, 2023 at 8:55pm

AusGeoff wrote on Sep 10^th, 2023 at 6:48pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 10^th, 2023 at 8:40am:

..I honestly can’t find anything much to pull me in the direction of buying an electric car. I was hoping this topic might attract those of you who have bought one so I can ask a few more questions. It looks as though we’re all being cautious. Yes?

I'd agree; caution is the keyword with most Aussies
and electric vehicles.

At my age, there's no way I'll ever be buying one of
these rare metals, resource-heavy vehicles. And of
course the cost premium of purchase has to be a major
consideration for someone (like me) on a very limited
budget.

Currently the cheapest EV in Australia is MG Motor’s
ZS SUV, which goes for $44,990 drive away. MG Motor
also come up tops with the ultimate cheap petrol-powered
car, its 1.5-litre four-cylinder petrol MG 3 Core, which
comes in at $18,990 drive away.

Is that additional $26,000 worth it to me in order to
encourage me to purchase an EV?

Of course not. No way.

Exactly. Now factor in that our cars are a depreciating item you’d have to be crazy to opt for the electric version of that car.

I honestly feel we ought to hold back and see what happens next wrt electric cars. I foresee lots of issues and challenges ....of the high cost variety.

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Mortdooley Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 7312 Texas Gulf Coast Gender:	Re: Why would anyone want to buy an electric car? Reply #14 - Sep 11^th, 2023 at 8:49pm I'm afraid this is the future of the electric car. As I predicted since the road tax included in the price of motor fuels isn't included in the cost to charge these vehicles an annual surcharge per mile driven is proposed in the US. It will cost owners more per mile to go electric.
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