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Reply #15 - Mar 7th, 2023 at 9:41pm
 
Karnal wrote on Mar 7th, 2023 at 4:39pm:
I could not agree more. To receive, the cup must first be emptied, yes?

A still mind, still heart. The Superior Man sees all and says ah.

Just so.


And yet you sniff trousers, you grimace, you gesticulate, you sing and dance out of tune, all for 10 rupee gimme and a banana.

Still your beating heart.

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Reply #16 - Mar 7th, 2023 at 9:43pm
 
Jasin wrote on Mar 7th, 2023 at 5:17pm:
Frank wrote on Mar 7th, 2023 at 9:26am:
I can see why Islam is attractive to Aboriginal men.


Well they're both Portals to Africa and both have a big Sacred Rock.


As long as it's to Africa and the ME and not the other way....
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Reply #17 - Mar 8th, 2023 at 7:17pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Mar 7th, 2023 at 1:58pm:
i never really found the aborigine to be violent.

he was pretty shy, didnt have any sense of time urgency,
a bit of a space cadet
tended to be lacking in ambition.

i was fairly driven before i went to the territory.
still am.
but i think the aborigine taught me to slow down a bit.

also the aborigine is big into sharing.
one of natures socialists.

this becomes problematic when the welfare mentality led to a lot of "taker mentality"
from an evolutionary point of view the aborigine HAD to be in restful chill mode because he didnt have a lot of resources

he had no crops to farm (maybe macademia nuts)
he had no animals to domesticate
he had no animals to do work for him like horses or oxen.

so he was lazy (not his fault)

now when governments start dishing out the cash, he is not going to expend energy.
why would he.

the left seem to think he wants to get all educated and go to uni and then go into the house of reps.
FFS.
thats deluded.

any aborigine who showed such ambition is not being true to aboriginality.

aborigines are more about wu wei

its an important lesson

we could learn a bit from the aborigine.

australias 'eastern philosopher"

wu wei, as found in the Tao Te Ching and Zhuangzi, to denote two different things.

An "attitude of genuine non-action, motivated by a lack of desire to participate in human affairs" and
A "technique by means of which the one who practices it may gain enhanced control of human affairs".


Wu wei means – in Chinese – non-doing or 'doing nothing'. It sounds like a pleasant invitation to relax or worse, fall into laziness or apathy. Yet this concept is key to the noblest kind of action according to the philosophy of Daoism – and is at the heart of what it means to follow Dao or The Way.



Grin You didn't go to high school where I did.
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Re: The reality of Aborigines
Reply #18 - Mar 8th, 2023 at 11:36pm
 
Frank wrote on Mar 7th, 2023 at 9:41pm:
Karnal wrote on Mar 7th, 2023 at 4:39pm:
I could not agree more. To receive, the cup must first be emptied, yes?

A still mind, still heart. The Superior Man sees all and says ah.

Just so.


And yet you sniff trousers, you grimace, you gesticulate, you sing and dance out of tune, all for 10 rupee gimme and a banana.

Still your beating heart.



You sound hurt.

Would you like an orange?
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Reply #19 - Mar 9th, 2023 at 5:07am
 
Add one orange to the Great Big Outback Barbecue that went on for 40,000 years or so....
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Reply #20 - Mar 9th, 2023 at 5:19am
 
Gnads wrote on Mar 8th, 2023 at 7:17pm:
aquascoot wrote on Mar 7th, 2023 at 1:58pm:
i never really found the aborigine to be violent.

he was pretty shy, didnt have any sense of time urgency,
a bit of a space cadet
tended to be lacking in ambition.

i was fairly driven before i went to the territory.
still am.
but i think the aborigine taught me to slow down a bit.

also the aborigine is big into sharing.
one of natures socialists.

this becomes problematic when the welfare mentality led to a lot of "taker mentality"
from an evolutionary point of view the aborigine HAD to be in restful chill mode because he didnt have a lot of resources

he had no crops to farm (maybe macademia nuts)
he had no animals to domesticate
he had no animals to do work for him like horses or oxen.

so he was lazy (not his fault)

now when governments start dishing out the cash, he is not going to expend energy.
why would he.

the left seem to think he wants to get all educated and go to uni and then go into the house of reps.
FFS.
thats deluded.

any aborigine who showed such ambition is not being true to aboriginality.

aborigines are more about wu wei

its an important lesson

we could learn a bit from the aborigine.

australias 'eastern philosopher"

wu wei, as found in the Tao Te Ching and Zhuangzi, to denote two different things.

An "attitude of genuine non-action, motivated by a lack of desire to participate in human affairs" and
A "technique by means of which the one who practices it may gain enhanced control of human affairs".


Wu wei means – in Chinese – non-doing or 'doing nothing'. It sounds like a pleasant invitation to relax or worse, fall into laziness or apathy. Yet this concept is key to the noblest kind of action according to the philosophy of Daoism – and is at the heart of what it means to follow Dao or The Way.



Grin You didn't go to high school where I did.


the abborigine is adapted to conserve his energy,
he is never going to adopt the protestant work ethic
he isnt going to establish the next mercedes benz corporation in alice springs and make high end engineered cars.

he would probably be able to help german tourists in their $ wd when it broke down though



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Re: The reality of Aborigines
Reply #21 - Mar 9th, 2023 at 5:26pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Mar 9th, 2023 at 5:19am:
Gnads wrote on Mar 8th, 2023 at 7:17pm:
aquascoot wrote on Mar 7th, 2023 at 1:58pm:
i never really found the aborigine to be violent.

he was pretty shy, didnt have any sense of time urgency,
a bit of a space cadet
tended to be lacking in ambition.

i was fairly driven before i went to the territory.
still am.
but i think the aborigine taught me to slow down a bit.

also the aborigine is big into sharing.
one of natures socialists.

this becomes problematic when the welfare mentality led to a lot of "taker mentality"
from an evolutionary point of view the aborigine HAD to be in restful chill mode because he didnt have a lot of resources

he had no crops to farm (maybe macademia nuts)
he had no animals to domesticate
he had no animals to do work for him like horses or oxen.

so he was lazy (not his fault)

now when governments start dishing out the cash, he is not going to expend energy.
why would he.

the left seem to think he wants to get all educated and go to uni and then go into the house of reps.
FFS.
thats deluded.

any aborigine who showed such ambition is not being true to aboriginality.

aborigines are more about wu wei

its an important lesson

we could learn a bit from the aborigine.

australias 'eastern philosopher"

wu wei, as found in the Tao Te Ching and Zhuangzi, to denote two different things.

An "attitude of genuine non-action, motivated by a lack of desire to participate in human affairs" and
A "technique by means of which the one who practices it may gain enhanced control of human affairs".


Wu wei means – in Chinese – non-doing or 'doing nothing'. It sounds like a pleasant invitation to relax or worse, fall into laziness or apathy. Yet this concept is key to the noblest kind of action according to the philosophy of Daoism – and is at the heart of what it means to follow Dao or The Way.



Grin You didn't go to high school where I did.


the abborigine is adapted to conserve his energy,
he is never going to adopt the protestant work ethic
he isnt going to establish the next mercedes benz corporation in alice springs and make high end engineered cars.

he would probably be able to help german tourists in their $ wd when it broke down though





Your Lutheran's not too good when it comes to practical mechanics. He's adapted to deal with abstract phenomena.

Engineering, commerce, patents for sticks - that sort of thing. Read your Hegel. The northern Krauts go in for Kierkegaard.

Land of the midnight sun, all that. They're genetically predisposed to tanning.

They're a species of picklers. They only work half the year. The rest of their time's spent getting drunk.
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Reply #22 - Mar 10th, 2023 at 1:10pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Mar 9th, 2023 at 5:19am:
Gnads wrote on Mar 8th, 2023 at 7:17pm:
aquascoot wrote on Mar 7th, 2023 at 1:58pm:
i never really found the aborigine to be violent.

he was pretty shy, didnt have any sense of time urgency,
a bit of a space cadet
tended to be lacking in ambition.

i was fairly driven before i went to the territory.
still am.
but i think the aborigine taught me to slow down a bit.

also the aborigine is big into sharing.
one of natures socialists.

this becomes problematic when the welfare mentality led to a lot of "taker mentality"
from an evolutionary point of view the aborigine HAD to be in restful chill mode because he didnt have a lot of resources

he had no crops to farm (maybe macademia nuts)
he had no animals to domesticate
he had no animals to do work for him like horses or oxen.

so he was lazy (not his fault)

now when governments start dishing out the cash, he is not going to expend energy.
why would he.

the left seem to think he wants to get all educated and go to uni and then go into the house of reps.
FFS.
thats deluded.

any aborigine who showed such ambition is not being true to aboriginality.

aborigines are more about wu wei

its an important lesson

we could learn a bit from the aborigine.

australias 'eastern philosopher"

wu wei, as found in the Tao Te Ching and Zhuangzi, to denote two different things.

An "attitude of genuine non-action, motivated by a lack of desire to participate in human affairs" and
A "technique by means of which the one who practices it may gain enhanced control of human affairs".


Wu wei means – in Chinese – non-doing or 'doing nothing'. It sounds like a pleasant invitation to relax or worse, fall into laziness or apathy. Yet this concept is key to the noblest kind of action according to the philosophy of Daoism – and is at the heart of what it means to follow Dao or The Way.



Grin You didn't go to high school where I did.


the abborigine is adapted to conserve his energy,
he is never going to adopt the protestant work ethic
he isnt going to establish the next mercedes benz corporation in alice springs and make high end engineered cars.

he would probably be able to help german tourists in their $ wd when it broke down though





I've seen Bush Mechanics. Grin
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Reply #23 - Mar 10th, 2023 at 1:15pm
 
Gnads wrote on Mar 10th, 2023 at 1:10pm:
aquascoot wrote on Mar 9th, 2023 at 5:19am:
Gnads wrote on Mar 8th, 2023 at 7:17pm:
aquascoot wrote on Mar 7th, 2023 at 1:58pm:
i never really found the aborigine to be violent.

he was pretty shy, didnt have any sense of time urgency,
a bit of a space cadet
tended to be lacking in ambition.

i was fairly driven before i went to the territory.
still am.
but i think the aborigine taught me to slow down a bit.

also the aborigine is big into sharing.
one of natures socialists.

this becomes problematic when the welfare mentality led to a lot of "taker mentality"
from an evolutionary point of view the aborigine HAD to be in restful chill mode because he didnt have a lot of resources

he had no crops to farm (maybe macademia nuts)
he had no animals to domesticate
he had no animals to do work for him like horses or oxen.

so he was lazy (not his fault)

now when governments start dishing out the cash, he is not going to expend energy.
why would he.

the left seem to think he wants to get all educated and go to uni and then go into the house of reps.
FFS.
thats deluded.

any aborigine who showed such ambition is not being true to aboriginality.

aborigines are more about wu wei

its an important lesson

we could learn a bit from the aborigine.

australias 'eastern philosopher"

wu wei, as found in the Tao Te Ching and Zhuangzi, to denote two different things.

An "attitude of genuine non-action, motivated by a lack of desire to participate in human affairs" and
A "technique by means of which the one who practices it may gain enhanced control of human affairs".


Wu wei means – in Chinese – non-doing or 'doing nothing'. It sounds like a pleasant invitation to relax or worse, fall into laziness or apathy. Yet this concept is key to the noblest kind of action according to the philosophy of Daoism – and is at the heart of what it means to follow Dao or The Way.



Grin You didn't go to high school where I did.


the abborigine is adapted to conserve his energy,
he is never going to adopt the protestant work ethic
he isnt going to establish the next mercedes benz corporation in alice springs and make high end engineered cars.

he would probably be able to help german tourists in their $ wd when it broke down though





I've seen Bush Mechanics. Grin


That’s just Frodo and his rels getting a new car. We’ve seen that plenty of times. On Yahoo 😂🤣😆
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Reply #24 - Jul 9th, 2024 at 10:29pm
 
Jacinta Nampijinpa Price has laid out her vision for an “advancement movement” in Indigenous affairs, in which welfare-dependent Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people do the jobs in their communities currently done by fly-in, fly-out workers, and “meet the standards other Australians are expected to meet”.

The opposition Indigenous affairs spokeswoman also calls for an end to an implied acceptance of cultural payback, arranged marriage, apportioning tragedies and mishaps to sorcery and other practices that are “anathema to modern culture”. As her home base of Alice Springs enters its second curfew this year to curb youth violence, and the nation struggles to find a new policy path after the failure of the voice to parliament referendum, Senator Nampijinpa Price has declared there is a “second way” to close the gap.

“We know where the gap is – it is 20 per cent of the 3 per cent,” the Northern Territory senator writes in an essay on history commissioned for The Australian’s 60th Anniversary Collector’s Edition magazine, published on Saturday.

“It’s remote Indigenous Australians, many of whom do not have English as a first language. We already know that we can either fix or exacerbate that by school attendance.

“There should be no fly-in, fly-out workers in communities with Indigenous Australians on welfare.”

Senator Price – a Warlpiri-Celtic woman from Alice Springs – has set out her arguments for an “advancement movement” and her hope for “real reconciliation and integration”, as she works on the Indigenous affairs policy she and Peter Dutton will take to the next election.

She describes the advancement movement as “a second way”.

“We can continue along the separatist road that sees Indigenous Australians as irrevocably damaged by settlement and wants to keep Aboriginal culture stuck in time like a museum piece,” Senator Nampijinpa Price writes.

“Traditional culture is romanticised by those who do not live it, while reinvention of culture has become an industry in the name of reconciliation for the purpose of political influence.

“This (separatist) way forward leaves negative parts of Indigenous culture alone to grow and fester. Things like violent cultural payback, arranged marriage and apportioning tragedies and mishaps to sorcery, all of which are anathema to modern culture.

“This is a view that lowers standards for Indigenous Australians … This has been the strategy of decades of government agencies and academic activists, and yet they fail to draw the obvious connection between this approach and the failure to make much ground on Closing the Gap.”

Senator Nampijinpa Price has never supported a truth-telling commission as proposed by the Greens in parliament last week. Indigenous Australians Minister Linda Burney on Tuesday said the government would look at the nature of the proposal.

Sources have told The Australian that Labor will block any judicial model that would in any way replicate the Truth and Reconciliation hearings in South Africa. Instead, it has been consulting communities that prefer truth-telling projects potentially overseen by a central body. The Albanese government has left this work to states.

“My personal view is that it needs to be more of a community-led initiative that brings people together,” Ms Burney told ABC on Tuesday.

Senator Nampijinpa Price expresses her concern about truth-telling because, as she tells The Australian in a video interview to be published with her essay, it has been “driven by this notion that somehow modern non-Indigenous Australians have to compensate for what occurred to Aboriginal people in our country’s history”.

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But she said Australia needed to understand the atrocities that occurred at and after colonisation, which included the murders of many of her Warlpiri family in the last sanctioned massacre at Coniston in 1928. “Seventy-five years after that we had a commemorative ceremony and invited those descendants of those who killed our family … (we told them) ‘we don’t blame you for what happened in our country’s history’.

“We recognised those were hard times but we are now together as Australians moving forward, and I think that is one of the greatest acts of reconciliation I’ve ever been part of.”

Senator Nampijinpa Price said guilt politics was like racism because “it denies the truth and it doesn’t help anybody progress”.

“We need a second way: the advancement movement. Under this movement, we are all Australians. We can learn and cherish our Indigenous culture while still meeting the same standards that every other Australian is expected to meet,” she writes in her essay.

“Our culture will be respected like never before when Indigenous Australians are making it thrive under their own steam and not as part of a welfare industry. That culture will become part of our national tapestry, rather than a separate story to be fought over.”

Senator Nampijinpa Price was the Coalition’s most potent weapon during the debate that culminated in a failed referendum for an Indigenous voice in October 2023. Her decision to join right-wing activist group Advance in February 23 was a landmark for the No campaign.

She said the nation needed a nuanced understanding of its own history, including what is great about the nation that emerged from it. She said few younger Australians were taught that King George instructed Governor Arthur Phillip to “live in amity and kindness” with Aboriginal people and to punish crimes against them. “Of course, the British settlers did not always live up to King George’s instructions, but that doesn’t change the fact the instructions were given,” she writes.

“Even … when barbaric crimes were committed against Aboriginal Australians, the civilising rule of law often played out. The infamous Myall Creek massacre in 1838 marks a dark and bloody moment in our history, when 28 Indigenous Australians were murdered by British settlers. But the activists have done a good job of playing down what happened after the massacre.

“Contemporary sources indicate that while there were pockets of excuse-making for the perpetrators, there was also clearly an abiding desire of the colony as a whole to do the right thing. The attorney-general, John Plunkett, prosecuted the perpetrators and then – when they were acquitted on a technicality – he prosecuted them again. Seven white men were thus found guilty and hanged.”

Read the essay in full on Saturday in the 60th Anniversary Collector’s Edition magazine
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She has my vote.
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Reply #27 - Jul 9th, 2024 at 10:43pm
 
Makes sense - sort of what dividie says with his harped-on-about 'job guarantee' - the thing is to properly define a 'job'  - it's not just turning up to receive a pay packet...

Happy to see people trained to do the jobs required in those remote places and not just wait for the cargo cult convoys ... there are houses to build, sewerage to fix and upgrade, roads to be built and maintained....  the training part would be the hardest, not because the locals would not be smart enough - but because trainers would have to travel in or trainees travel out, and most courses last a considerable time.  Bit 'ard to train someone to fit and maintain solar and wind power systems in five minutes.....

Nah, then - 'ands up all those who've had a shot at the fatty stick lit to see into that cave complex?  You know - the one them scientists said all these rituals took place using a fatty stick lit ..... you've got the basic of lighting if you know 'ow that works....


When we were kids we were so poor we couldn't afford the electric light, so Granny used to get us over to her house and let us touch a light switch once a week ... so we got Mum and Dad in the car and pushed it over to Granny's to save on petrol costs... going home was easier... it was mostly downhill....
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