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Mar 6th, 2023 at 10:02am
 
They never lived in Disneyland nor had a Disneyland type existence.


Sorcery:  Belief in sorcery as the explanation for deaths due to injury and disease is a feature of the culture that remains widespread in Aboriginal communities. Gary Johns says in his book, The Burden of Culture (which can be purchased here) “Clearly, sorcery is alive and well”.[1]  Professor Peter Sutton deals with this in Chapters 4 and 5 of The Politics of Suffering. He said:

The ancient institution of sorcery continues to maintain a function for many groups…There are still many Aboriginal communities in which virtually all deaths, other than those of infants, and in some cases, the elderly, are either attributed to sorcery committed by members of near or distant groups, or result from personal violence. Sometimes it is both. Many homicides or accidental killings are attributed to a sorcerer using the assailant as an instrument, or using the unwitting driver in the case of a car crash. The one whose act overtly caused death may thus be regarded as personally blameless. [p 89]

It is a feature of the culture that causes much harm. Belief in sorcery impedes delivery of modern and effective medical treatments in Aboriginal communities. See Sutton, Chapter 5 and Johns, Chapter 10. Sutton says that “well-meaning whitefellas who support traditional doctors in their quest to peel back the post-colonial power differential have to face the fact that traditional healers are likely to constitute a danger to the already disastrous health of their communities.’[2]

But this current element of traditional culture is going to be, by Queensland parliamentary decree, part of an “enormous resource for Queensland”.

Violent misogyny: In many indigenous communities in Australia there is a high incidence of violence to women. A 2015 Queensland Government task force report said that

Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people in Queensland experience disproportionately high levels of violence, including domestic and family violence with Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander women being 35 times more likely than members of general population to be hospitalised for spouse/domestic partner assaults … Plainly, the most common pattern of domestic and family violence is that it is committed by men against women. [3]

That is an astonishing statistic.

In the Northern Territory the situation is worse. The rate of hospitalisation is up to 86 times higher for Aboriginal women. In Central Australia, this figure is 95 times more likely for Aboriginal women. The deaths of Aboriginal women from such ­violence comprise the most frequent form of homicide in Australia today. The media has shown little interest in that, preferring to concentrate on the rare police shootings of Aboriginal men. An Aboriginal man’s life is still valued much more highly than a woman’s. As Justice Judith Kelly of the Northern Territory Supreme Court said in a speech in August 2022:

Between 2000 and 2022, two Aboriginal men were shot by police both times followed by massive press coverage, calls for enquiries etc. In that same period, 65 Aboriginal women were killed by their partners … and in each case you would have been flat out seeing a small report on page 5 or 7 of a local newspaper – nothing nationally.

The Queensland Task Force touched on cultural factors for the violence suffered by indigenous women but identified intergenerational trauma as the major cause of this misogynistic violence:

Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Queenslanders have a unique history, very different from that of other sections of the Queensland population and characterised by successive generations of colonisation, dispossession, violence, and discrimination. A legacy of trauma arising from this history pervades the lives of individuals, families and communities and is seen as a causal factor for violence in the lives of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people, and a causal factor for a range of other social, economic, psychological and emotional issues that themselves are situational factors contributing to violence. [p120]

The Queensland government accepts that intergenerational trauma resulting from colonial dispossession of their ancestors is the major explanation for indigenous men bashing and killing their women in such large numbers. The men can’t help themselves. They are innocent victims of white colonialism. It has accepted its treaty committees’ recommendation:

That the Queensland Government resource a comprehensive process of Truth Telling to chronical the history of First Nations Peoples prior to British colonisation of Queensland, …

That healing and reconciliation be supported through the Truth Telling process with relevant service providers engaged to provide support to First Nations People to recover from their lived experience and impacts of intergenerational trauma.

But neither the task force nor the government or its treaty committees have considered whether male violence to women is entrenched in Aboriginal cultures. There is much evidence that it is. Given the longevity of cultural behaviours, that may  better explain the persistence of such violence and the difficulty in eradicating it than the newly discovered intergenerational trauma that sounds like a medical diagnosis to which no blame can attach to the sufferers.[4]

Though unfashionable to admit it, violent misogyny has long been an element of Aboriginal culture.

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Reply #1 - Mar 6th, 2023 at 10:03am
 
Paleopathologist Stephen Webb in 1995 published his analysis of 4500 individuals’ bones from mainland Australia going back 50,000 years. Across the continent as a general rule, depressed skull fractures were substantially more common in female remains. A depressed skull fracture is a type of fracture usually resulting from blunt force trauma.

The evidence of violence to Aboriginal women described by Webb cannot be blamed on intergenerational trauma due to white colonisation. Dr Webb could not of course identify the sex of the attackers. But the inference that they were very likely males is suggested by the observations of First Fleet officers. They were shocked at the routine violence they witnessed by Aboriginal males to their females. This violence commonly took the form of blows to the head of the victim.

The Marine officer Watkin Tench wrote in his journal of his three years at Sydney Cove from 1788 to 1792:

the women are in all respects treated with savage barbarity; condemned not only to carry the children, but all other burthens, they meet in return for submission only with blows, kicks, and every other mark of brutality. When an Indian is provoked by a woman, he either spears her, or knocks her down on the spot: on this occasion he always strikes on the head, using indiscriminately a hatchet, a club, or any other weapon, which may chance to be in his hand.

First Fleet officers John Hunter and David Collins recorded similar observations. Those male attackers were not in the grip of intergenerational trauma caused by white colonisation that they were powerless to resist.

A century later, not much had changed. The social anthropologist Bronislaw Malinowsky said in The Family Among the Australian Aborigines, (1913) which is based on his examination of the extensive existing records, including many from the second half of the 19th century: “It seems beyond doubt that in the aboriginal society the husband exercised almost complete authority over his wife; she was entirely in his hands and he might ill-treat her, provided he did not kill her” – otherwise a blood feud with her relatives might follow.

As the Queensland task force said, a century later again in 2015, not much had changed: “Plainly, the most common pattern of domestic and family violence [among Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people] is that it is committed by men against women”. The current levels of violence by men to women in indigenous communities is more likely to reflect the entrenched misogyny in indigenous culture than to reflect that the men can’t help bashing their women because it is all the result of white colonisation. Sutton comments:

Diffficult subjects such as Aboriginal `family violence’ cannot be approached ahistorically. One still hears the modern myth that the violent conflicts of today’s Indigenous communities have no continuity with the ancient or `traditional’ past in this country. … early contact reports by colonial observers, including some sympathetic ones like Edward John Eyre, and the more recent ethnographies of trained anthropologists, make it clear that earlier versions of what is now called `family violence’ or `community violence’ were also widespread and frequent in Australia under `traditional’ conditions …Today, this kind of assault is found at its worst in communities that have remained closest to their cultural traditions, and where alcohol is available in quantity.
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Reply #2 - Mar 6th, 2023 at 10:03am
 
Misogyny – other forms: There is other evidence of the misogyny in traditional First Nations cultures. In The Fatal Shore, Robert Hughes, summed up the position of women in First Nations culture:

It [marriage] did not change a woman’s status much. Both before and after, she was merely a root-grubbing, shell-gathering chattel, whose social assets were wiry arms, prehensile toes and a vagina. [p 16]

This is not an exaggeration. Historian Henry Reynolds in The Other Side of the Frontier [1990 edition] at p146 mentions male Aborigines’ attitudes to their women. Referring to the last decades of the nineteenth century, Reynolds spoke of indigenous men changing traditional patterns of migration round their country in the far north of the continent to travel down to the sea coasts when the pearling luggers were laid up for the monsoon season because they preferred to live “in ease and idleness” from the earnings of their women whom they prostituted to the pearling fleets rather than seeking the more uncertain returns from vestigial hunting and gathering. “The demand for the young women was such that all other clan members could live off the proceeds of their copulation for the duration of the [monsoon] lay-up season.” [p177]

This was not a recent or localised abuse by aboriginal men of their women: Reynolds also refers [p179] to reports in the first three decades of that century by sea captains, officials and settlers of similar behaviour by aboriginal men in the Bass Strait region.

Anthropologist Bill Stanner reported similar behaviour around the Daly River in the early 1930s of Aboriginal men pushing their women into sexual relationships with European and Chinese farmers in return for payments of tobacco, sugar and tea.[5]  It appears that a feature common to various Aboriginal cultures from first contact was the use by the men of their women as a means of obtaining from Europeans the goods they wanted. The women were also used by the men in traditional culture as negotiating pawns. Mark Powell in “Reconciliation Starts with Telling the Truth” (Quadrant 27 May 2021) quotes from The Australian Aborigines: How to Understand Them, by AP Elkins, Professor of Anthropology, University of Sydney 1934-1956:

When an attacking party is about to attack the home party, the latter, if it does not want to fight, will send a number of its women over to the former. If these are willing to settle the matter in dispute without fighting, they have sexual intercourse with the women; if not, they send them back untouched.

If this is how Aboriginal men, widely separated in place and time, treated their women, how can traditional Aboriginal cultures properly be recognised in legislation as an “enormous resource for Queensland”? Will the  Minister for Women and for the Prevention of Domestic and Family Violence have anything to say about any of this when her government’s treaty legislation is before the parliament?
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Reply #3 - Mar 6th, 2023 at 10:06am
 
Child marriage: Promised marriage of a female baby to an adult male is still an element of traditional culture in some Aboriginal communities. It often involves sexual abuse of young girls. The Northern Territory has a large indigenous population with many living in an approximation to traditional ways. There, the conflict between Australian law, which aims at protecting children, and traditional law and culture which permits an often elderly male to have sexual relations with a promised child has provoked much controversy.

One of a number of such cases is The Queen v GJ [2005] NTCCA 20.  According to the judgment of the Court of Appeal, the defendant was a 55-year-old male with a wife and children living a traditional lifestyle. He was a respected leader in his community and was responsible for teaching young men traditional ways. He had forcible vaginal and anal intercourse with a child, who was then 14, with the complicity of his adult wife and the child’s own grandmother. He claimed she had been promised to him as a wife when she was four. He was charged only with unlawful sexual intercourse with a child. The maximum penalty was increased in 2004 from 7 to 16 years’ imprisonment following controversy in several similar cases about lenient sentences given to Aboriginal men who said they were acting in accordance with traditional law and culture. In the words of the child: “I told that old man I’m too young for sex, but he didn’t listen.”

The sentencing judge was “satisfied that the respondent was asserting his rights as he believed them to be and that he was doing so forcefully in order to give the child a message that she had to do what the respondent told her to do”. The judge sentenced him to 19 months’ imprisonment, suspended after one month. The Court of Appeal increased the sentence to three years and six months, suspended after 18 months. Even this sentence would likely have produced public and media outrage if the offender had not been an Aboriginal elder asserting his cultural rights over a female child.

Is the still-enduring practice of child marriage in First Nations culture “an enormous resource”? Will the minister responsible for child protection have anything to say about this when the government’s treaty legislation is before the parliament?
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Reply #4 - Mar 6th, 2023 at 10:07am
 
Violence: Professor Mick Dodson told the National Press Club: “ Importantly, I want to make the point that violence is not and never was part of Aboriginal tradition. … Most of the violence, if not all, that Aboriginal communities are experiencing today are not part of Aboriginal tradition or culture.”[6]

The hold this myth of a uniquely non-violent culture polluted by the arrival of white settlers has on many Australians was recently shown by the call by the federal politician Zali Steggall, for local councils across Australia to include a one minute’s silence during their official Australia Day celebrations in recognition of the Indigenous Australians’ lives lost since 26 January1788. While it marks the commencement of European colonisation of this land, she said, “it also represents the commencement of violence.” [7]

The anthropologists David McKnight, who worked on Mornington Island in the 1960s, said of the avoidance of the topic of indigenous violence by some anthropologists and others: “It seems to be quite acceptable to write about violence, providing that one takes the line that the people are basically peace loving and shy but they have become violent because of exploitation by Europeans.” That was the approach of the Queensland task force in 2015.

A more realistic view of the place of violence in Queensland’s Aboriginal cultures than Professor Dodson’s was common in earlier times. In 1895 the Queensland Government appointed Archibald Meston, who was previously Protector of Aborigines, as a special commissioner to report on their conditions in Queensland. Meston started from Thursday Island and moved southward. He said:

The white man came and shot game and trespassed anywhere without permission. When a white man took up land or a station, he expected the blacks of that locality to move back into other territory, unconscious that this would be an unpardonable violation of tribal laws, and involve immediate deadly warfare with the adjoining tribes. …[8]

There is much evidence, widely ignored, of the violence that pervaded Aboriginal culture pre-1788. Some is referred to by Quadrant‘s  Tony Thomas in “The long history of Aboriginal violence”.

Is the brutal and continuing violence in the traditional culture of First Nations really a part of the ‘enormous resource for Queensland”?
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Reply #5 - Mar 6th, 2023 at 10:08am
 
Infanticide: This practice was widespread in 1788. It was the main way of limiting the size of the tribe. That was made necessary by the scarcity of food for each nomadic hunter-gatherer group. Another reason was that the mothers, who were as nomadic as other members of their tribe, could not carry more than a couple of children, especially given that they also acted as beasts of burden, carrying most of their family’s possessions. Some of the 19th century observations of settlers are gathered in the article by Quadrant‘s Bill Rubinstein, “Infanticide in Traditional Aboriginal Society”.

Infanticide was suppressed by the white authorities, so it is not a current feature of the “world’s oldest continuous culture”. But it long was a cultural practice. I doubt that any in the Queensland Government or its treaty committees would say it was part of an “an enormous resource for Queensland”.



Cannibalism: Many who appeared before the Select Committee of the Queensland Legislative Assembly into the Native Police in 1861 spoke of the evidence they saw of cannibalism among Aborigines in southern Queensland between 1840 and 1860. Further references to this traditional practice are set out in Rubenstein’s article, “The Incidence of Cannibalism in Aboriginal Society”. Cannibalism was sometimes engaged in as a ritual in Aboriginal culture. The horrifying episode witnessed by Charles Sievwright, assistant protector of the Aborigines of the Port Phillip District, in 1841, is one example.

I witnessed the most fearful scene of ferocious cannabilism[sic]. 

The bowels and entire viscera having been disengaged from the body, were at first portioned out; but from the impatience of some of the women to get at the liver, a general scramble took place for it, and it was snatched in pieces, and, without the slightest process of cooking, was devoured with an eagerness and avidity, a keen, fiendish expression of impatience for more, from which scene, a memory too tenacious upon this subject will not allow me to escape; the kidneys and heart were in like manner immediately consumed, and as a climax to these revolting orgies, when the whole viscera were removed, a quantity of blood and serum which had collected in the cavity of the chest was eagerly collected in handsful [sic], and drunk by the old man who had dissected the body; the flesh was entirely cut off the ribs and back…

Sometimes, cannibalism was engaged in for nutrition. To the examples mentioned by Rubenstein, I add a reference to what the Queensland Police Commissioner Parry-Okeden wrote in his 1897 Report on the NQ Aborigines and the Native Police. He referred to the prevalence of cannibalism among far-North Queensland aborigines and how the availability of roaming stock to satisfy their desire for meat had considerably reduced cannibalism.[13]

Whatever be the role of cannibalism in anthropology, it will be surprising if any of the current members of the Queensland Government or its Treaty Committees will claim that long-lasting feature of traditional aboriginal culture “is an enormous resource for Queensland”.
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Reply #7 - Mar 6th, 2023 at 1:05pm
 
.... and the hits just keep on coming....
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Reply #8 - Mar 7th, 2023 at 6:43am
 
Great read.
Can see why this doesn't fit the narrative of the arse holes feeding in the trough of first nations, welcome to country, smoke festing, dot painting parasites.
They want it like a tropical island getaway, and are pushing that propaganda hard.

Don't let the truth get in the way of the leftist utopia.
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Reply #9 - Mar 7th, 2023 at 9:26am
 
I can see why Islam is attractive to Aboriginal men.
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Reply #10 - Mar 7th, 2023 at 10:32am
 
Frank wrote on Mar 7th, 2023 at 9:26am:
I can see why Islam is attractive to Aboriginal men.


Fits right in with the beaver-bashing and beaver-owner bashing, eh?  The racism, discrimination, misogyny, victimhood mentality, cargo cult mentality... you name it....
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Reply #11 - Mar 7th, 2023 at 1:58pm
 
i never really found the aborigine to be violent.

he was pretty shy, didnt have any sense of time urgency,
a bit of a space cadet
tended to be lacking in ambition.

i was fairly driven before i went to the territory.
still am.
but i think the aborigine taught me to slow down a bit.

also the aborigine is big into sharing.
one of natures socialists.

this becomes problematic when the welfare mentality led to a lot of "taker mentality"
from an evolutionary point of view the aborigine HAD to be in restful chill mode because he didnt have a lot of resources

he had no crops to farm (maybe macademia nuts)
he had no animals to domesticate
he had no animals to do work for him like horses or oxen.

so he was lazy (not his fault)

now when governments start dishing out the cash, he is not going to expend energy.
why would he.

the left seem to think he wants to get all educated and go to uni and then go into the house of reps.
FFS.
thats deluded.

any aborigine who showed such ambition is not being true to aboriginality.

aborigines are more about wu wei

its an important lesson

we could learn a bit from the aborigine.

australias 'eastern philosopher"

wu wei, as found in the Tao Te Ching and Zhuangzi, to denote two different things.

An "attitude of genuine non-action, motivated by a lack of desire to participate in human affairs" and
A "technique by means of which the one who practices it may gain enhanced control of human affairs".


Wu wei means – in Chinese – non-doing or 'doing nothing'. It sounds like a pleasant invitation to relax or worse, fall into laziness or apathy. Yet this concept is key to the noblest kind of action according to the philosophy of Daoism – and is at the heart of what it means to follow Dao or The Way.

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Reply #12 - Mar 7th, 2023 at 3:49pm
 
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Reply #13 - Mar 7th, 2023 at 4:39pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Mar 7th, 2023 at 1:58pm:
i never really found the aborigine to be violent.

he was pretty shy, didnt have any sense of time urgency,
a bit of a space cadet
tended to be lacking in ambition.

i was fairly driven before i went to the territory.
still am.
but i think the aborigine taught me to slow down a bit.

also the aborigine is big into sharing.
one of natures socialists.

this becomes problematic when the welfare mentality led to a lot of "taker mentality"
from an evolutionary point of view the aborigine HAD to be in restful chill mode because he didnt have a lot of resources

he had no crops to farm (maybe macademia nuts)
he had no animals to domesticate
he had no animals to do work for him like horses or oxen.

so he was lazy (not his fault)

now when governments start dishing out the cash, he is not going to expend energy.
why would he.

the left seem to think he wants to get all educated and go to uni and then go into the house of reps.
FFS.
thats deluded.

any aborigine who showed such ambition is not being true to aboriginality.

aborigines are more about wu wei

its an important lesson

we could learn a bit from the aborigine.

australias 'eastern philosopher"

wu wei, as found in the Tao Te Ching and Zhuangzi, to denote two different things.

An "attitude of genuine non-action, motivated by a lack of desire to participate in human affairs" and
A "technique by means of which the one who practices it may gain enhanced control of human affairs".


Wu wei means – in Chinese – non-doing or 'doing nothing'. It sounds like a pleasant invitation to relax or worse, fall into laziness or apathy. Yet this concept is key to the noblest kind of action according to the philosophy of Daoism – and is at the heart of what it means to follow Dao or The Way.



I could not agree more. To receive, the cup must first be emptied, yes?

A still mind, still heart. The Superior Man sees all and says ah.

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Reply #14 - Mar 7th, 2023 at 5:17pm
 
Frank wrote on Mar 7th, 2023 at 9:26am:
I can see why Islam is attractive to Aboriginal men.


Well they're both Portals to Africa and both have a big Sacred Rock.
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