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Reply #60 - Mar 6^th, 2023 at 7:34pm

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 6^th, 2023 at 7:19pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 6^th, 2023 at 7:10pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 6^th, 2023 at 5:29pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 6^th, 2023 at 3:38pm:

Hi Brian,
so you're saying that even though in 1970 the Russians put
a space probe on Venus they still couldn't hit Australia with a nuke in 2023?

Magnetic fields?
They don't use a compass to guide an ICBM. tsk tsk Roll Eyes

https://coolcosmos.ipac.caltech.edu/ask/44-Has-a-spacecraft-ever-landed-on-Venus...

On December 15, 1970 an unmanned Soviet spacecraft, Venera 7,
became the first spacecraft to land on another planet.
It measured the temperature of the atmosphere on Venus.
In 1972, Venera 8 gathered atmospheric and surface data for 50 minutes after landing.

Venus is approximately 12,104km in diameter. Australia is approximately 4000km, a quarter of that size. Venus is approximately 61 million kilometers from earth, Australia is approximately 9,977 km from Russia. A space probe launched from Russia would have to traverse a decreasing magnetic field to reach Venus and could be equipped with an active radar system to guide it. A missile launched from Russia would not be guided, except ballistically and would have to traverse a significantly decreasing and then a re-increasing magnetic field. No Russian missile has done that. Try again, Bobby. I find it interesting that you don't mention the numerous Soviet and Russian space missions that failed to reach Venus, Mars and the Moon of approximately same or earlier periods. I wonder why? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Brian,
the magnetic field has nothing to do with it. tsk tsk tsk Roll Eyes

How do you know, Bobby? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Because magnetic fields are very weak and missiles use
inertial guidance and computers to guide the missiles

not a compass like a boy scout. tsk tsk tsk Roll Eyes

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Reply #61 - Mar 6^th, 2023 at 8:33pm

Bobby. wrote on Mar 6^th, 2023 at 7:34pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 6^th, 2023 at 7:19pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 6^th, 2023 at 7:10pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 6^th, 2023 at 5:29pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 6^th, 2023 at 3:38pm:

Hi Brian,
so you're saying that even though in 1970 the Russians put
a space probe on Venus they still couldn't hit Australia with a nuke in 2023?

Magnetic fields?
They don't use a compass to guide an ICBM. tsk tsk Roll Eyes

https://coolcosmos.ipac.caltech.edu/ask/44-Has-a-spacecraft-ever-landed-on-Venus...

On December 15, 1970 an unmanned Soviet spacecraft, Venera 7,
became the first spacecraft to land on another planet.
It measured the temperature of the atmosphere on Venus.
In 1972, Venera 8 gathered atmospheric and surface data for 50 minutes after landing.

Venus is approximately 12,104km in diameter. Australia is approximately 4000km, a quarter of that size. Venus is approximately 61 million kilometers from earth, Australia is approximately 9,977 km from Russia. A space probe launched from Russia would have to traverse a decreasing magnetic field to reach Venus and could be equipped with an active radar system to guide it. A missile launched from Russia would not be guided, except ballistically and would have to traverse a significantly decreasing and then a re-increasing magnetic field. No Russian missile has done that. Try again, Bobby. I find it interesting that you don't mention the numerous Soviet and Russian space missions that failed to reach Venus, Mars and the Moon of approximately same or earlier periods. I wonder why? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Brian,
the magnetic field has nothing to do with it. tsk tsk tsk Roll Eyes

How do you know, Bobby? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Because magnetic fields are very weak and missiles use
inertial guidance and computers to guide the missiles

not a compass like a boy scout. tsk tsk tsk Roll Eyes

The missile must establish it's initial heading by compass, Bobby. It must at certain points in it's trajectory re-establish it's heading by compass. Inertial guidance is only good for 200-400 km from it's starting point. The US handles this via the GPS positioning system and satellite signal, which gives them world wide coverage. The Russians rely on magnet compass being more primitive. Their Global Positioning system is more limited and is designed to give assurances over the Northern Hemisphere alone. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Re: Nuclear Exchange -coming
Reply #62 - Mar 6^th, 2023 at 9:16pm

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 6^th, 2023 at 7:18pm:

Do we, Unsub? Where are they? How does this not contravene the two treaties that I mentioned. How does this not contravene numerous Australian Government statements of the past? Where have we tested these warheads? On what do we carry these warheads? Inquisitive minds want to know. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

That is up to you to do the research.

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Reply #63 - Mar 6^th, 2023 at 9:31pm

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 6^th, 2023 at 8:33pm:

The missile must establish it's initial heading by compass, Bobby. It must at certain points in it's trajectory re-establish it's heading by compass. Inertial guidance is only good for 200-400 km from it's starting point. The US handles this via the GPS positioning system and satellite signal, which gives them world wide coverage. The Russians rely on magnet compass being more primitive. Their Global Positioning system is more limited and is designed to give assurances over the Northern Hemisphere alone. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Brian,
you're out of date.
The Russians could fly a hypersonic missile through your bedroom window if they wanted to.

tsk tsk tsk Roll Eyes

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Reply #65 - Mar 7^th, 2023 at 11:32am

UnSubRocky wrote on Mar 6^th, 2023 at 9:16pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 6^th, 2023 at 7:18pm:

Do we, Unsub? Where are they? How does this not contravene the two treaties that I mentioned. How does this not contravene numerous Australian Government statements of the past? Where have we tested these warheads? On what do we carry these warheads? Inquisitive minds want to know. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

That is up to you to do the research.

I have, unsub. Guess what? It has shown you are bullshitting. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Reply #66 - Mar 7^th, 2023 at 11:34am

Bobby. wrote on Mar 6^th, 2023 at 9:31pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 6^th, 2023 at 8:33pm:

The missile must establish it's initial heading by compass, Bobby. It must at certain points in it's trajectory re-establish it's heading by compass. Inertial guidance is only good for 200-400 km from it's starting point. The US handles this via the GPS positioning system and satellite signal, which gives them world wide coverage. The Russians rely on magnet compass being more primitive. Their Global Positioning system is more limited and is designed to give assurances over the Northern Hemisphere alone. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Brian,
you're out of date.
The Russians could fly a hypersonic missile through your bedroom window if they wanted to.

tsk tsk tsk Roll Eyes

The Russian have a limited number of "hypersonic" missiles, Bobby and guess what? They are of limited range. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 46311	Re: Nuclear Exchange -coming Reply #67 - Mar 7^th, 2023 at 11:36am Boris wrote on Mar 7^th, 2023 at 10:44am: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/KBUtFxSNgdA Oh, dearie, dearie, me, Matty, you seem to rely on Youtube videos for proof of your existence. Get back to us with some real proof. Tsk, tsk, tsk...
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Reply #68 - Mar 7^th, 2023 at 9:17pm

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 7^th, 2023 at 11:32am:

UnSubRocky wrote on Mar 6^th, 2023 at 9:16pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 6^th, 2023 at 7:18pm:

Do we, Unsub? Where are they? How does this not contravene the two treaties that I mentioned. How does this not contravene numerous Australian Government statements of the past? Where have we tested these warheads? On what do we carry these warheads? Inquisitive minds want to know. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

That is up to you to do the research.

I have, unsub. Guess what? It has shown you are bullshitting. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Your research has shown that you know nothing, and therefore falsely claim others are bullshitting. Just because you do not know about it, it does not mean that there is no truth to it.

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Reply #69 - Mar 7^th, 2023 at 9:55pm

UnSubRocky wrote on Mar 7^th, 2023 at 9:17pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 7^th, 2023 at 11:32am:

UnSubRocky wrote on Mar 6^th, 2023 at 9:16pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 6^th, 2023 at 7:18pm:

Do we, Unsub? Where are they? How does this not contravene the two treaties that I mentioned. How does this not contravene numerous Australian Government statements of the past? Where have we tested these warheads? On what do we carry these warheads? Inquisitive minds want to know. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

That is up to you to do the research.

I have, unsub. Guess what? It has shown you are bullshitting. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Your research has shown that you know nothing, and therefore falsely claim others are bullshitting. Just because you do not know about it, it does not mean that there is no truth to it.

When you provide a verifiable reference I will ascertain whether you are bullshitting or not, Unsub. Until then I am forced to assume you are indeed, bullshitting, OK? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Reply #70 - Mar 7^th, 2023 at 10:22pm

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 7^th, 2023 at 9:55pm:

When you provide a verifiable reference I will ascertain whether you are bullshitting or not, Unsub. Until then I am forced to assume you are indeed, bullshitting, OK? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

When you provide a verifiable reference that Australia has no nuclear ambitions, or the possibility that we Australians have not developed nuclear weapons, then I will ascertain how naive you have been, Brian. Until then, I will assume that you are just going along with the "it's not on the internet. The guy down at the pub has not said anything" type reasoning.

Just because you do not know about Australia's nuclear ambitions does not mean that we do not have nuclear weapons. Can you atleast agree that Australia housed nuclear weapons that belong to the United States?

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Reply #71 - Mar 8^th, 2023 at 9:01am

UnSubRocky wrote on Mar 7^th, 2023 at 10:22pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 7^th, 2023 at 9:55pm:

When you provide a verifiable reference I will ascertain whether you are bullshitting or not, Unsub. Until then I am forced to assume you are indeed, bullshitting, OK? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

When you provide a verifiable reference that Australia has no nuclear ambitions, or the possibility that we Australians have not developed nuclear weapons, then I will ascertain how naive you have been, Brian. Until then, I will assume that you are just going along with the "it's not on the internet. The guy down at the pub has not said anything" type reasoning.

Just because you do not know about Australia's nuclear ambitions does not mean that we do not have nuclear weapons. Can you atleast agree that Australia housed nuclear weapons that belong to the United States?

Ignoring your bullshit. Australia has been barred from "housing US nuclear weapons" on the basis of those two treaties, Unsub. Australia is too far south to "house US nuclear weapons". "Housing" means storing them. We do not knowingly store other nation's nuclear weapons for them. Until you present some evidence to contradict that line, I'll stick with it. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Reply #72 - Mar 8^th, 2023 at 9:19am

UnSubRocky wrote on Mar 7^th, 2023 at 10:22pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 7^th, 2023 at 9:55pm:

When you provide a verifiable reference I will ascertain whether you are bullshitting or not, Unsub. Until then I am forced to assume you are indeed, bullshitting, OK? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

When you provide a verifiable reference that Australia has no nuclear ambitions, or the possibility that we Australians have not developed nuclear weapons, then I will ascertain how naive you have been, Brian. Until then, I will assume that you are just going along with the "it's not on the internet. The guy down at the pub has not said anything" type reasoning.

Just because you do not know about Australia's nuclear ambitions does not mean that we do not have nuclear weapons. Can you atleast agree that Australia housed nuclear weapons that belong to the United States?

Let's assume that Australia does have a secret stash of nukes somewhere..

Where was the enriched uranium obtained from? Was it from a friendly nation overseas like the US or UK, or was it produced here, and if so, in what facility? Where was all the research done? What scientists and technicians were involved? Where were the weapons constructed? Who by? What sort of weapons are they, bombs, missiles, a large IED? Where did the money come from?

These and many more questions need a credible answer before we can start believing in locally produced nuclear weapons.

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Reply #73 - Mar 8^th, 2023 at 2:00pm

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 8^th, 2023 at 9:01am:

UnSubRocky wrote on Mar 7^th, 2023 at 10:22pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 7^th, 2023 at 9:55pm:

When you provide a verifiable reference I will ascertain whether you are bullshitting or not, Unsub. Until then I am forced to assume you are indeed, bullshitting, OK? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

When you provide a verifiable reference that Australia has no nuclear ambitions, or the possibility that we Australians have not developed nuclear weapons, then I will ascertain how naive you have been, Brian. Until then, I will assume that you are just going along with the "it's not on the internet. The guy down at the pub has not said anything" type reasoning.

Just because you do not know about Australia's nuclear ambitions does not mean that we do not have nuclear weapons. Can you atleast agree that Australia housed nuclear weapons that belong to the United States?

Ignoring your bullshit. Australia has been barred from "housing US nuclear weapons" on the basis of those two treaties, Unsub. Australia too far south to "house US nuclear weapons". "Housing" means storing them. We do not knowingly store other nation's nuclear weapons for them. Until you present some evidence to contradict that line, I'll stick with it. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

You want me to present evidence of a conversation I had with people in the military and politicians on the subject confirming the rumour that we have housed American nuclear weapons? I did not have my dictaphone available those days to record the conversations. So, I don't know how I am supposed to reveal the sources to you, nor have I the right to say who said what.

Indonesia raised objections to Australia storing American nuclear weapons. It is the reason why they were removed. Years later, Australia made our own nuclear weapons.

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Reply #74 - Mar 8^th, 2023 at 2:04pm

Belgarion wrote on Mar 8^th, 2023 at 9:19am:

Let's assume that Australia does have a secret stash of nukes somewhere..

Where was the enriched uranium obtained from? Was it from a friendly nation overseas like the US or UK, or was it produced here, and if so, in what facility? Where was all the research done? What scientists and technicians were involved? Where were the weapons constructed? Who by? What sort of weapons are they, bombs, missiles, a large IED? Where did the money come from?

These and many more questions need a credible answer before we can start believing in locally produced nuclear weapons.

Australia having a secret stash of nukes somewhere would mean that the details of making and storing them would be confidential. The information would not be made public for our scrutiny.

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