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Reply #45 - Mar 6^th, 2023 at 2:03pm

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 5^th, 2023 at 3:38pm:

Yeah, yeah, sure, what ever you want to believe, Unsub. Pity it is all bullshit, mate. I studied nuclear war fighting as part of my Masters degree, which while it was largely about Russian and American systems, I have kept up with the latest developments in other nations. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

So, in other words, you do not know Australia has nuclear weapons. And I doubt you know what happens to humans in the immediate area of the nuclear attack, let alone the environmental and economic impact has during and after a deployed nuclear attack.

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Reply #46 - Mar 6^th, 2023 at 2:12pm

Gnads wrote on Mar 5^th, 2023 at 6:18pm:

Says the aprt time waiter who hasn't held a full time job in his life.....

now you're privvy to classified info on Iranian weapons systems? Grin

FFS change hands.

Brian says Iran is not capable of launching nuclear missiles that could reach the western side of Australia, let alone the eastern part of Australia. He seems to think the same about Russia's nuclear capabilities.

I figure that my part-time waiter who has not held a full-time job arse would know more about hypersonic missiles being capable of getting from halfway around the world to Australia in about 15 minutes than what a full-time Australian Army employee would have known about in the 1980s.

And for that matter, if you don't know about Iran's nuclear capabilities by now, you have not been paying attention.

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Reply #47 - Mar 6^th, 2023 at 2:39pm

a nuke doesnt have to hit oz for a nuke to wipe out most of australia.

one nuke and you would find the oil trade ceased almost immediately .
so no cars, no tractors, no food production, no food distribution.

all our energy and technology relies on imports from OS and that would likely take a huge hit.

a nuke would probably see china russia and the USA use cyber attacks to close down each others critical infrastructure.

it will be back to subsistence living in OZ real quick.

no more internet for a while, no more internet banking, super funds at zero, the stock market down 80 %.

it makes preppers seem less of loons and more rational actors.

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Reply #48 - Mar 6^th, 2023 at 2:50pm

The reality is that a nuclear weapon being deployed anywhere in the world would be condemned internationally. And depending on who deployed the missile, world governments would respond according to why the aggressor nation fired the missile. The world would not shut down over one nuclear attack. A series of nuclear missiles being deployed to one country would bring about a severe crisis. But it would take multiple nuclear exchanges for the world economy to collapse. Even then, commonsense would have to take place.

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Reply #49 - Mar 6^th, 2023 at 3:38pm

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2023 at 9:26am:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2023 at 9:59pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 1^st, 2023 at 11:28am:

Way back in the 1980s I did a Nuclear War Fighting course as part of my Masters at ADFA. We had a seminar with Des Ball Professor of Strategic Studies at the ANU. This was just before he was sucked into the Pentagon. When asked if he believed that Australia was a nuclear target he sat and thought for a while and said, "No, the Soviets are too concerned with the US and Europe to worry about Australia. They might strike at Pine Gap but apart from that we are too far south for them to worry about." He added that the Soviets' missiles were generally unreliable and about 30% of them would fail to launch or strike their targets accurately. Bobby, we are basically safe from Russian missiles, their missile are even more unreliable nowadays with approximately 40-50% will fail, rather than just 30%. They are even more worried about Europe and the US, so overall we are not going to have much to worry about. Roll Eyes

Brian,
only one has to get through and that's end of a whole city.

It has to hit a city. Russian ICBMs or SLBMs are unreliable. They had to first launch successfully, they have to then guide successfully. They are less to be successful against a southern target as against a northern one because they have never been tested in the southern hemisphere and the magnetic field is vastly different down here. Bobby you worry unnecessarily. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Hi Brian,
so you're saying that even though in 1970 the Russians put
a space probe on Venus they still couldn't hit Australia with a nuke in 2023?

Magnetic fields?
They don't use a compass to guide an ICBM. tsk tsk Roll Eyes

https://coolcosmos.ipac.caltech.edu/ask/44-Has-a-spacecraft-ever-landed-on-Venus...

On December 15, 1970 an unmanned Soviet spacecraft, Venera 7,
became the first spacecraft to land on another planet.
It measured the temperature of the atmosphere on Venus.
In 1972, Venera 8 gathered atmospheric and surface data for 50 minutes after landing.

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Reply #50 - Mar 6^th, 2023 at 5:15pm

UnSubRocky wrote on Mar 6^th, 2023 at 2:03pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 5^th, 2023 at 3:38pm:

Yeah, yeah, sure, what ever you want to believe, Unsub. Pity it is all bullshit, mate. I studied nuclear war fighting as part of my Masters degree, which while it was largely about Russian and American systems, I have kept up with the latest developments in other nations. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

So, in other words, you do not know Australia has nuclear weapons. And I doubt you know what happens to humans in the immediate area of the nuclear attack, let alone the environmental and economic impact has during and after a deployed nuclear attack.

anotheronebitesthedust...

You have no idea about what I know, Unsub. Absolutely, no idea. Australia is a signatory and ratifier of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Pact. It is also a signatory and ratifier of the Pacific Nuclear Non-Proliferation Pact. In both it has relinquished the right and ability to develop and have nuclear warheads. Both are cornerstones of Australia's anti-nuclear stance. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Reply #51 - Mar 6^th, 2023 at 5:29pm

Bobby. wrote on Mar 6^th, 2023 at 3:38pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2023 at 9:26am:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2023 at 9:59pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 1^st, 2023 at 11:28am:

Way back in the 1980s I did a Nuclear War Fighting course as part of my Masters at ADFA. We had a seminar with Des Ball Professor of Strategic Studies at the ANU. This was just before he was sucked into the Pentagon. When asked if he believed that Australia was a nuclear target he sat and thought for a while and said, "No, the Soviets are too concerned with the US and Europe to worry about Australia. They might strike at Pine Gap but apart from that we are too far south for them to worry about." He added that the Soviets' missiles were generally unreliable and about 30% of them would fail to launch or strike their targets accurately. Bobby, we are basically safe from Russian missiles, their missile are even more unreliable nowadays with approximately 40-50% will fail, rather than just 30%. They are even more worried about Europe and the US, so overall we are not going to have much to worry about. Roll Eyes

Brian,
only one has to get through and that's end of a whole city.

It has to hit a city. Russian ICBMs or SLBMs are unreliable. They had to first launch successfully, they have to then guide successfully. They are less to be successful against a southern target as against a northern one because they have never been tested in the southern hemisphere and the magnetic field is vastly different down here. Bobby you worry unnecessarily. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Hi Brian,
so you're saying that even though in 1970 the Russians put
a space probe on Venus they still couldn't hit Australia with a nuke in 2023?

Magnetic fields?
They don't use a compass to guide an ICBM. tsk tsk Roll Eyes

https://coolcosmos.ipac.caltech.edu/ask/44-Has-a-spacecraft-ever-landed-on-Venus...

On December 15, 1970 an unmanned Soviet spacecraft, Venera 7,
became the first spacecraft to land on another planet.
It measured the temperature of the atmosphere on Venus.
In 1972, Venera 8 gathered atmospheric and surface data for 50 minutes after landing.

Venus is approximately 12,104km in diameter. Australia is approximately 4000km, a quarter of that size. Venus is approximately 61 million kilometers from earth, Australia is approximately 9,977 km from Russia. A space probe launched from Russia would have to traverse a decreasing magnetic field to reach Venus and could be equipped with an active radar system to guide it. A missile launched from Russia would not be guided, except ballistically and would have to traverse a significantly decreasing and then a re-increasing magnetic field. No Russian missile has done that. Try again, Bobby. I find it interesting that you don't mention the numerous Soviet and Russian space missions that failed to reach Venus, Mars and the Moon of approximately same or earlier periods. I wonder why? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Re: Nuclear Exchange -coming
Reply #52 - Mar 6^th, 2023 at 6:42pm

UnSubRocky wrote on Mar 4^th, 2023 at 3:32pm:

AusGeoff wrote on Mar 4^th, 2023 at 2:03pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2023 at 2:50pm:

The Iranians are capable of hitting cities in Australia with their nuclear missiles...

Not so.

Table of Iran's Missile Arsenal, 27 July, 2022.

Maybe my information is a little out of date. Or maybe your information is out of date. What I do know is that Iran has the capability of reaching Australia with nuclear missiles.

This claim needs a link. Thank you.

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Reply #53 - Mar 6^th, 2023 at 6:49pm

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 6^th, 2023 at 5:15pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Mar 6^th, 2023 at 2:03pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 5^th, 2023 at 3:38pm:

Yeah, yeah, sure, what ever you want to believe, Unsub. Pity it is all bullshit, mate. I studied nuclear war fighting as part of my Masters degree, which while it was largely about Russian and American systems, I have kept up with the latest developments in other nations. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

So, in other words, you do not know Australia has nuclear weapons. And I doubt you know what happens to humans in the immediate area of the nuclear attack, let alone the environmental and economic impact has during and after a deployed nuclear attack.

anotheronebitesthedust...

You have no idea about what I know, Unsub. Absolutely, no idea. Australia is a signatory and ratifier of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Pact. It is also a signatory and ratifier of the Pacific Nuclear Non-Proliferation Pact. In both it has relinquished the right and ability to develop and have nuclear warheads. Both are cornerstones of Australia's anti-nuclear stance. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

I have some idea about what you know, Brian. Some idea. That being what you have already told me. And therefore I know that you do not know much. I do not know what our status is with the Pacific Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. But, Australia does possess nuclear warheads.

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Reply #54 - Mar 6^th, 2023 at 6:52pm

AusGeoff wrote on Mar 6^th, 2023 at 6:42pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Mar 4^th, 2023 at 3:32pm:

AusGeoff wrote on Mar 4^th, 2023 at 2:03pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2023 at 2:50pm:

The Iranians are capable of hitting cities in Australia with their nuclear missiles...

Not so.

Table of Iran's Missile Arsenal, 27 July, 2022.

Maybe my information is a little out of date. Or maybe your information is out of date. What I do know is that Iran has the capability of reaching Australia with nuclear missiles.

This claim needs a link. Thank you.

Back to bed for you.

But, I will give you a few links in the next 24 hours.

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Belgarion Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6141 Gender:	Re: Nuclear Exchange -coming Reply #55 - Mar 6^th, 2023 at 6:54pm The longest theoretical range for an Iranian missile is 5,000 kilometres. Australia and Iran are 10,000 kilometres apart.
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Re: Nuclear Exchange -coming
Reply #56 - Mar 6^th, 2023 at 7:10pm

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 6^th, 2023 at 5:29pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 6^th, 2023 at 3:38pm:

Hi Brian,
so you're saying that even though in 1970 the Russians put
a space probe on Venus they still couldn't hit Australia with a nuke in 2023?

Magnetic fields?
They don't use a compass to guide an ICBM. tsk tsk Roll Eyes

https://coolcosmos.ipac.caltech.edu/ask/44-Has-a-spacecraft-ever-landed-on-Venus...

On December 15, 1970 an unmanned Soviet spacecraft, Venera 7,
became the first spacecraft to land on another planet.
It measured the temperature of the atmosphere on Venus.
In 1972, Venera 8 gathered atmospheric and surface data for 50 minutes after landing.

Venus is approximately 12,104km in diameter. Australia is approximately 4000km, a quarter of that size. Venus is approximately 61 million kilometers from earth, Australia is approximately 9,977 km from Russia. A space probe launched from Russia would have to traverse a decreasing magnetic field to reach Venus and could be equipped with an active radar system to guide it. A missile launched from Russia would not be guided, except ballistically and would have to traverse a significantly decreasing and then a re-increasing magnetic field. No Russian missile has done that. Try again, Bobby. I find it interesting that you don't mention the numerous Soviet and Russian space missions that failed to reach Venus, Mars and the Moon of approximately same or earlier periods. I wonder why? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Brian,
the magnetic field has nothing to do with it. tsk tsk tsk Roll Eyes

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Reply #57 - Mar 6^th, 2023 at 7:18pm

UnSubRocky wrote on Mar 6^th, 2023 at 6:49pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 6^th, 2023 at 5:15pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Mar 6^th, 2023 at 2:03pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 5^th, 2023 at 3:38pm:

Yeah, yeah, sure, what ever you want to believe, Unsub. Pity it is all bullshit, mate. I studied nuclear war fighting as part of my Masters degree, which while it was largely about Russian and American systems, I have kept up with the latest developments in other nations. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

So, in other words, you do not know Australia has nuclear weapons. And I doubt you know what happens to humans in the immediate area of the nuclear attack, let alone the environmental and economic impact has during and after a deployed nuclear attack.

anotheronebitesthedust...

You have no idea about what I know, Unsub. Absolutely, no idea. Australia is a signatory and ratifier of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Pact. It is also a signatory and ratifier of the Pacific Nuclear Non-Proliferation Pact. In both it has relinquished the right and ability to develop and have nuclear warheads. Both are cornerstones of Australia's anti-nuclear stance. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

I have some idea about what you know, Brian. Some idea. That being what you have already told me. And therefore I know that you do not know much. I do not know what our status is with the Pacific Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. But, Australia does possess nuclear warheads.

Do we, Unsub? Where are they? How does this not contravene the two treaties that I mentioned. How does this not contravene numerous Australian Government statements of the past? Where have we tested these warheads? On what do we carry these warheads? Inquisitive minds want to know. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Reply #58 - Mar 6^th, 2023 at 7:19pm

Bobby. wrote on Mar 6^th, 2023 at 7:10pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 6^th, 2023 at 5:29pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 6^th, 2023 at 3:38pm:

Hi Brian,
so you're saying that even though in 1970 the Russians put
a space probe on Venus they still couldn't hit Australia with a nuke in 2023?

Magnetic fields?
They don't use a compass to guide an ICBM. tsk tsk Roll Eyes

https://coolcosmos.ipac.caltech.edu/ask/44-Has-a-spacecraft-ever-landed-on-Venus...

On December 15, 1970 an unmanned Soviet spacecraft, Venera 7,
became the first spacecraft to land on another planet.
It measured the temperature of the atmosphere on Venus.
In 1972, Venera 8 gathered atmospheric and surface data for 50 minutes after landing.

Venus is approximately 12,104km in diameter. Australia is approximately 4000km, a quarter of that size. Venus is approximately 61 million kilometers from earth, Australia is approximately 9,977 km from Russia. A space probe launched from Russia would have to traverse a decreasing magnetic field to reach Venus and could be equipped with an active radar system to guide it. A missile launched from Russia would not be guided, except ballistically and would have to traverse a significantly decreasing and then a re-increasing magnetic field. No Russian missile has done that. Try again, Bobby. I find it interesting that you don't mention the numerous Soviet and Russian space missions that failed to reach Venus, Mars and the Moon of approximately same or earlier periods. I wonder why? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Brian,
the magnetic field has nothing to do with it. tsk tsk tsk Roll Eyes

How do you know, Bobby? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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