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Reply #15 - Mar 1^st, 2023 at 4:57pm

Frank wrote on Mar 1^st, 2023 at 4:23pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 1^st, 2023 at 3:53pm:

Matty, America is not Australia, you realise? They are a nuclear target while Australia is not. They are facing Russian/Chinese missiles, we are not. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Yeah, we dont have 12% black population causing 60% of gun murders among blacks. Big diff.

While Black Americans made up 12.5 percent of the U.S. population in 2020, they were the victims in 61 percent of all gun homicides.
https://www.americanprogress.org/article/gun-violence-disproportionately-and-overwhelmingly-hurts-communities-of-color/

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Reply #16 - Mar 2^nd, 2023 at 2:33am

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 1^st, 2023 at 3:53pm:

Matty, America is not Australia, you realise? They are a nuclear target while Australia is not. They are facing Russian/Chinese missiles, we are not. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

You might want to think strategically in terms of whether Australia could be used as an example of the seriousness of the Russians or the Chinese in making a nuclear strike. If the Russians fire their missiles to a regional area of Australia, the Americans might be willing to talk of a compromise with the Russians. However, if the Russians fired a missile into the United States, you could imagine that the Americans would respond in kind (and then some).

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Bobby. Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 119125 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Nuclear Exchange -coming Reply #17 - Mar 2^nd, 2023 at 5:51am Brian Ross wrote on Mar 1^st, 2023 at 3:53pm: Matty, America is not Australia, you realise? They are a nuclear target while Australia is not. They are facing Russian/Chinese missiles, we are not. Tsk, tsk, tsk... We are a nuclear target. tsk tsk
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Reply #18 - Mar 2^nd, 2023 at 1:13pm

Bobby. wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2023 at 5:51am:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 1^st, 2023 at 3:53pm:

Matty, America is not Australia, you realise? They are a nuclear target while Australia is not. They are facing Russian/Chinese missiles, we are not. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

We are a nuclear target. tsk tsk Roll Eyes

According to whom, Bobby? Seriously, I have studied nuclear strategy at a high level and Australia barely rates a mention in the writing of the professional strategists. Roll Eyes

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Reply #19 - Mar 2^nd, 2023 at 1:16pm

UnSubRocky wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2023 at 2:33am:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 1^st, 2023 at 3:53pm:

Matty, America is not Australia, you realise? They are a nuclear target while Australia is not. They are facing Russian/Chinese missiles, we are not. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

You might want to think strategically in terms of whether Australia could be used as an example of the seriousness of the Russians or the Chinese in making a nuclear strike. If the Russians fire their missiles to a regional area of Australia, the Americans might be willing to talk of a compromise with the Russians. However, if the Russians fired a missile into the United States, you could imagine that the Americans would respond in kind (and then some).

Yes. There is though a problem with your rationale, Unsub - the unreliability of Russian missiles in general does not guarantee they could even hit a target the size of Australia when they fire at it. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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AusGeoff Gold Member Offline Sage of Gippsland Posts: 6025 Victoria Gender:	Re: Nuclear Exchange -coming Reply #20 - Mar 2^nd, 2023 at 1:37pm Boris wrote on Mar 1^st, 2023 at 2:06pm: People are buying Bunkers - because Nukes are coming... No they're not... and no they're not. You're batshit stupid mate.
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Reply #21 - Mar 2^nd, 2023 at 9:54pm

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2023 at 1:16pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2023 at 2:33am:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 1^st, 2023 at 3:53pm:

Matty, America is not Australia, you realise? They are a nuclear target while Australia is not. They are facing Russian/Chinese missiles, we are not. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

You might want to think strategically in terms of whether Australia could be used as an example of the seriousness of the Russians or the Chinese in making a nuclear strike. If the Russians fire their missiles to a regional area of Australia, the Americans might be willing to talk of a compromise with the Russians. However, if the Russians fired a missile into the United States, you could imagine that the Americans would respond in kind (and then some).

Yes. There is though a problem with your rationale, Unsub - the unreliability of Russian missiles in general does not guarantee they could even hit a target the size of Australia when they fire at it. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Then there is no reason to call the Americans a target, if the Russians have unrealiable missiles. Tsk, tsk, tsk.

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Reply #22 - Mar 2^nd, 2023 at 9:59pm

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 1^st, 2023 at 11:28am:

Way back in the 1980s I did a Nuclear War Fighting course as part of my Masters at ADFA. We had a seminar with Des Ball Professor of Strategic Studies at the ANU. This was just before he was sucked into the Pentagon. When asked if he believed that Australia was a nuclear target he sat and thought for a while and said, "No, the Soviets are too concerned with the US and Europe to worry about Australia. They might strike at Pine Gap but apart from that we are too far south for them to worry about." He added that the Soviets' missiles were generally unreliable and about 30% of them would fail to launch or strike their targets accurately. Bobby, we are basically safe from Russian missiles, their missile are even more unreliable nowadays with approximately 40-50% will fail, rather than just 30%. They are even more worried about Europe and the US, so overall we are not going to have much to worry about. Roll Eyes

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Reply #23 - Mar 2^nd, 2023 at 10:08pm

Bobby. wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2023 at 5:51am:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 1^st, 2023 at 3:53pm:

Matty, America is not Australia, you realise? They are a nuclear target while Australia is not. They are facing Russian/Chinese missiles, we are not. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

We are a nuclear target. tsk tsk Roll Eyes

Some Moslem in a little white van parked in Parramatta will shout "Allah Akbar" before detonating a nuke smuggled in via the Kazakhstan black market of former Soviet nukes.
Don't need a missile to hit Sydney for its biggest Real Estate boom ever.

Personally, if I was a crazed powerful dictator, etc - I would nuke Antarctica with as many nukes as possible and Tsunami flood the world as Operation Noah.

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AIMLESS EXTENTION OF KNOWLEDGE HOWEVER, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK YOU REALLY MEAN BY THE TERM 'CURIOSITY', IS MERELY INEFFICIENCY. I AM DESIGNED TO AVOID INEFFICIENCY.

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Reply #24 - Mar 2^nd, 2023 at 10:34pm

Jasin wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2023 at 10:08pm:

Personally, if I was a crazed powerful dictator, etc - I would nuke Antarctica with as many nukes as possible and Tsunami flood the world as Operation Noah.

If you set off a considerable number of nukes in Antarctica, you would hope that you could melt a lot of ice to the point that weather patterns change around the world. The theory of melted ice in Antarctica is that it becomes 90% of its ice volume as water. And whilst the ice and snow would melt into water and flood the surrounding southern ocean with fresh water, the amount of ice melt would be barely noticeable in changing ocean levels.

Even a crazed powerful dictator would have enough common sense to know this.

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Reply #25 - Mar 3^rd, 2023 at 9:26am

Bobby. wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2023 at 9:59pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 1^st, 2023 at 11:28am:

Way back in the 1980s I did a Nuclear War Fighting course as part of my Masters at ADFA. We had a seminar with Des Ball Professor of Strategic Studies at the ANU. This was just before he was sucked into the Pentagon. When asked if he believed that Australia was a nuclear target he sat and thought for a while and said, "No, the Soviets are too concerned with the US and Europe to worry about Australia. They might strike at Pine Gap but apart from that we are too far south for them to worry about." He added that the Soviets' missiles were generally unreliable and about 30% of them would fail to launch or strike their targets accurately. Bobby, we are basically safe from Russian missiles, their missile are even more unreliable nowadays with approximately 40-50% will fail, rather than just 30%. They are even more worried about Europe and the US, so overall we are not going to have much to worry about. Roll Eyes

Brian,
only one has to get through and that's end of a whole city.

It has to hit a city. Russian ICBMs or SLBMs are unreliable. They had to first launch successfully, they have to then guide successfully. They are less to be successful against a southern target as against a northern one because they have never been tested in the southern hemisphere and the magnetic field is vastly different down here. Bobby you worry unnecessarily. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Reply #26 - Mar 3^rd, 2023 at 9:30am

Jasin wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2023 at 10:08pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2023 at 5:51am:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 1^st, 2023 at 3:53pm:

Matty, America is not Australia, you realise? They are a nuclear target while Australia is not. They are facing Russian/Chinese missiles, we are not. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

We are a nuclear target. tsk tsk Roll Eyes

Some Moslem in a little white van parked in Parramatta will shout "Allah Akbar" before detonating a nuke smuggled in via the Kazakhstan black market of former Soviet nukes.

Ah, the old spectre of a stray Soviet nuclear warhead. In reality, all Soviet nukes were accounted for at the end of the Cold War, in the early 1990s. Roll Eyes

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Reply #27 - Mar 3^rd, 2023 at 2:50pm

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2023 at 9:26am:

It has to hit a city. Russian ICBMs or SLBMs are unreliable. They had to first launch successfully, they have to then guide successfully. They are less to be successful against a southern target as against a northern one because they have never been tested in the southern hemisphere and the magnetic field is vastly different down here. Bobby you worry unnecessarily. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

The Iranians are capable of hitting cities in Australia with their nuclear missiles. I see no reason why the Russians, with a longer history of nuclear weapon and missile development could not hit Australia. It would only take 15 minutes for the missile to get here. I doubt that the targeting system would get lost on the way.

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Reply #28 - Mar 3^rd, 2023 at 3:52pm

UnSubRocky wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2023 at 2:50pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2023 at 9:26am:

It has to hit a city. Russian ICBMs or SLBMs are unreliable. They had to first launch successfully, they have to then guide successfully. They are less to be successful against a southern target as against a northern one because they have never been tested in the southern hemisphere and the magnetic field is vastly different down here. Bobby you worry unnecessarily. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

The Iranians are capable of hitting cities in Australia with their nuclear missiles. I see no reason why the Russians, with a longer history of nuclear weapon and missile development could not hit Australia. It would only take 15 minutes for the missile to get here. I doubt that the targeting system would get lost on the way.

Iran's ICBM Project Koussar has a reported range between 4000-5000 kilometers. Iran is approximately 8000 kilometres from Perth the nearest city. That is from a region remote to the Tehran in the far South-East corner of the nation where it unlikely Iran would put it's most valuable defence asset, near the coast with Pakistan. Now as their stated enemy is Israel they are hardly to put their most valuable defence asset in a place where the Israeli Navy can easily strike it, now are they? Roll Eyes

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UnSubRocky Gold Member Offline Crocodile Hunter: Origins Posts: 25200 Rockhampton Gender:	Re: Nuclear Exchange -coming Reply #29 - Mar 3^rd, 2023 at 4:29pm It would be a pretty fast interceptor missile to strike down an ICBM. You would need a missile defence system nearly underneath the incoming missile to shoot it down. And Iran could reach any target in Australia with their missile capability. Probably New Zealand, too.
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