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Re: Why people believe in conspiracy theories...
Reply #75 - Feb 23rd, 2023 at 4:40pm
 
Captain Caveman wrote on Feb 23rd, 2023 at 12:16pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 23rd, 2023 at 12:03pm:
Captain Caveman wrote on Feb 23rd, 2023 at 11:54am:
The reason people believe in conspiracy theories is because they watch it nightly at 6pm.


MSM has always been the preferred go to method for govt driven propaganda.



It's because they knew the majority of people took their word as gospel.

Taking advantage of that is something that can never be taken back.


True.

The topic title should read :

Why do people believe in MSM and/or govt driven propaganda?
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Re: Why people believe in conspiracy theories...
Reply #76 - Feb 23rd, 2023 at 4:43pm
 
Captain Caveman wrote on Feb 23rd, 2023 at 12:47pm:
Dnarever wrote on Feb 23rd, 2023 at 12:36pm:
Captain Caveman wrote on Feb 23rd, 2023 at 12:16pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 23rd, 2023 at 12:03pm:
Captain Caveman wrote on Feb 23rd, 2023 at 11:54am:
The reason people believe in conspiracy theories is because they watch it nightly at 6pm.


MSM has always been the preferred go to method for govt driven propaganda.



It's because they knew the majority of people took their word as gospel.
Taking advantage of that is something that can never be taken back.


Hasn't the MSM market leader been blown up. All their hosts and producers caught lying on air about everything.

Especially Hannity and Tuckems. All saying in court and internal discussions that claiming the election was rigged is garbage and then going on air to tell us that the election was rigged. None of them believed it for a second.

It was just meant for the dumb idiots in their audience. Funny as it sounds there were people who believed Fox NoNews.



Do you watch fox also?
I certainly do not.
They're MSM.


Ha! Jim Puddle Duck watches Fox 😂🤣😆
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Re: Why people believe in conspiracy theories...
Reply #77 - Feb 23rd, 2023 at 4:56pm
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 23rd, 2023 at 4:43pm:
Captain Caveman wrote on Feb 23rd, 2023 at 12:47pm:
Dnarever wrote on Feb 23rd, 2023 at 12:36pm:
Captain Caveman wrote on Feb 23rd, 2023 at 12:16pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 23rd, 2023 at 12:03pm:
Captain Caveman wrote on Feb 23rd, 2023 at 11:54am:
The reason people believe in conspiracy theories is because they watch it nightly at 6pm.


MSM has always been the preferred go to method for govt driven propaganda.



It's because they knew the majority of people took their word as gospel.
Taking advantage of that is something that can never be taken back.


Hasn't the MSM market leader been blown up. All their hosts and producers caught lying on air about everything.

Especially Hannity and Tuckems. All saying in court and internal discussions that claiming the election was rigged is garbage and then going on air to tell us that the election was rigged. None of them believed it for a second.

It was just meant for the dumb idiots in their audience. Funny as it sounds there were people who believed Fox NoNews.



Do you watch fox also?
I certainly do not.
They're MSM.


Ha! Jim Puddle Duck watches Fox 😂🤣😆


Faulty Interpretation and Prediction brought to you by the non-Nostradamus team.

The right always assume to know what other people think and do but don't really.
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Re: Why people believe in conspiracy theories...
Reply #78 - Feb 23rd, 2023 at 5:12pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 23rd, 2023 at 4:31pm:
Carl D wrote on Feb 23rd, 2023 at 8:46am:
Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 23rd, 2023 at 8:04am:
geoff wants you all to believe that adverse reactions and vax injuries are all a conspiracy theory and that people dying in their sleep or stroking out  after taking the vax and who have no pre-existing conditions are nothing more than pure coincidences and the reason why the MSM don't talk about the plague anymore is pure coincidence as well Wink


Of course this is all pure coincidence and/or a conspiracy theory too, isn't it?

Heart Problems after COVID-19

Sir Nail and his cohort of antivaxxers are always going on about the rare side effects which may be caused by the vaccines while they completely ignore the elephant in the room - the damage caused by the virus itself.

Especially after multiple infections.


The unvaxxed aren't getting these heart problems after getting covid.

Is covid being blamed for heart troubles caused by vax?

Quote:
The Incidence of Myocarditis and Pericarditis in Post COVID-19 The Incidence of Myocarditis and Pericarditis in Post COVID-19 Unvaccinated Patients—A Large Population-Based Studyy


5. Conclusions
Our data suggest that there is no increase in the incidence of myocarditis and pericarditis in COVID-19 recovered patients compared to uninfected matched controls.


https://www.mdpi.com/2077-0383/11/8/2219


Cardiologist Dr Aseem Malhotra said his father was in perfect cardiac health before clot shots. He noted rapid clogging of arteries after vax which would take a couple of years smoking 40 ciggies a day and living on junk food to achieve.

We were lied to about-
Vax prevents transmission
Vax prevents serious illness and death
Masks reduce transmission
2 weeks to flatten the curve just to name a few.

Autopsy data showing vax spike protein in heart and blood despite the fact we were told it would stay in shoulder and quickly degrade.

Old boomers like you and geoff are spreading misinformation.


I didn't take their monkey snot injection and I feel fine. How about you ??
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Reply #79 - Feb 23rd, 2023 at 5:55pm
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 23rd, 2023 at 10:08am:
Carl D wrote on Feb 23rd, 2023 at 8:46am:
Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 23rd, 2023 at 8:04am:
geoff wants you all to believe that adverse reactions and vax injuries are all a conspiracy theory and that people dying in their sleep or stroking out  after taking the vax and who have no pre-existing conditions are nothing more than pure coincidences and the reason why the MSM don't talk about the plague anymore is pure coincidence as well Wink


Of course this is all pure coincidence and/or a conspiracy theory too, isn't it?

Heart Problems after COVID-19

Sir Nail and his cohort of antivaxxers are always going on about the rare side effects which may be caused by the vaccines while they completely ignore the elephant in the room - the damage caused by the virus itself.

Especially after multiple infections.


My husband has had multiple infections. His vaccine passport has always been up to date too (work requirement). He’s had 4 jabs and is in line for a 5th jab. His multiple infections turned up AFTER each jab. Yesterday he had another day off because his immune system is trashed by the chronic jab taking (that’s now slowly being revealed).

Last night he revealed that he’s seriously thinking of early retirement ie spending more time at home with me. WHY would ANY guy want to spend more time at home with a nagging hot blooded Mediterranean wife? Well that’s where it’s at! So yeah every day he’s on about how he flatly refuses to get that 5th jab. This will mean his vaccine passport won’t be up to date which means he won’t be allowed to continue working at his workplace.



I thought that further c-jabs weren’t mandatory after the first 2/3?

Im under the impression getting 4th and 5th c-jabs as well as flu jabs are voluntary.

I know a few that had 2 c-jabs and able to work in hospitality, or go overseas to some countries with only a 2 x c-jab certificate.

There’s quite a number of people not wanting and refusing even a 3rd c-jab (booster) after having adverse reactions and 2 ppl I know well … one in her early 40s and another in her late 70s, ended up in hospital after.
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Re: Why people believe in conspiracy theories...
Reply #80 - Feb 23rd, 2023 at 8:37pm
 
Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 23rd, 2023 at 3:44pm:
Captain Caveman wrote on Feb 23rd, 2023 at 11:54am:
The reason people believe in conspiracy theories is because they watch it nightly at 6pm.


I stopped watching TV and listening to MS radio when one night some dude rang up ABC radio complaining about a vaccine injury or side effect and the host Philip Clark told him he was an anti-vaxer and spreading misinformation !! Haven't had a TV in the house for 18 months and when I visit my mates on the weekend and watch it there I know I haven't missed out on anything when the major news item is some halfwit footballer who has a hamstring injury. Cheesy LOL





I am going on 15yrs without that nasty poison in my home.
Can't stand radio. MP3 all day long. No adds, no talk.

I heard a Brisbane radio station the other day advertising the songs that they were about to play.
Do they not realise that people have access to music 24/7?
The stations can't even get with the times because they're all profit driven shyte tanks.
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Re: Why people believe in conspiracy theories...
Reply #81 - Feb 23rd, 2023 at 8:53pm
 
Captain Caveman wrote on Feb 23rd, 2023 at 8:37pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 23rd, 2023 at 3:44pm:
Captain Caveman wrote on Feb 23rd, 2023 at 11:54am:
The reason people believe in conspiracy theories is because they watch it nightly at 6pm.


I stopped watching TV and listening to MS radio when one night some dude rang up ABC radio complaining about a vaccine injury or side effect and the host Philip Clark told him he was an anti-vaxer and spreading misinformation !! Haven't had a TV in the house for 18 months and when I visit my mates on the weekend and watch it there I know I haven't missed out on anything when the major news item is some halfwit footballer who has a hamstring injury. Cheesy LOL





I am going on 15yrs without that nasty poison in my home.
Can't stand radio. MP3 all day long. No adds, no talk.

I heard a Brisbane radio station the other day advertising the songs that they were about to play.
Do they not realise that people have access to music 24/7?
The stations can't even get with the times because they're all profit driven shyte tanks.


We do have Foxtel but it’s always on History or Discovery or some science channel.
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Re: Why people believe in conspiracy theories...
Reply #82 - Feb 23rd, 2023 at 9:00pm
 
Sophia wrote on Feb 23rd, 2023 at 5:55pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 23rd, 2023 at 10:08am:
Carl D wrote on Feb 23rd, 2023 at 8:46am:
Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 23rd, 2023 at 8:04am:
geoff wants you all to believe that adverse reactions and vax injuries are all a conspiracy theory and that people dying in their sleep or stroking out  after taking the vax and who have no pre-existing conditions are nothing more than pure coincidences and the reason why the MSM don't talk about the plague anymore is pure coincidence as well Wink


Of course this is all pure coincidence and/or a conspiracy theory too, isn't it?

Heart Problems after COVID-19

Sir Nail and his cohort of antivaxxers are always going on about the rare side effects which may be caused by the vaccines while they completely ignore the elephant in the room - the damage caused by the virus itself.

Especially after multiple infections.


My husband has had multiple infections. His vaccine passport has always been up to date too (work requirement). He’s had 4 jabs and is in line for a 5th jab. His multiple infections turned up AFTER each jab. Yesterday he had another day off because his immune system is trashed by the chronic jab taking (that’s now slowly being revealed).

Last night he revealed that he’s seriously thinking of early retirement ie spending more time at home with me. WHY would ANY guy want to spend more time at home with a nagging hot blooded Mediterranean wife? Well that’s where it’s at! So yeah every day he’s on about how he flatly refuses to get that 5th jab. This will mean his vaccine passport won’t be up to date which means he won’t be allowed to continue working at his workplace.



I thought that further c-jabs weren’t mandatory after the first 2/3?

Im under the impression getting 4th and 5th c-jabs as well as flu jabs are voluntary.

I know a few that had 2 c-jabs and able to work in hospitality, or go overseas to some countries with only a 2 x c-jab certificate.

There’s quite a number of people not wanting and refusing even a 3rd c-jab (booster) after having adverse reactions and 2 ppl I know well … one in her early 40s and another in her late 70s, ended up in hospital after.


It depends on the workplace. At my husband’s workplace you MUST have an up to date vaccine passport. Otherwise you cannot work there.

One of my cousins has the same type of issue. Why is it completely compulsory in her organisation? Well her organisation relies on funding and the requirement (fully vaccinated staff who are up to date with their jabs) is a major pre requisite when applying for funding.

Essentially if your organisation cannot meet AND PROVE that they have met that requirement then your application will be automatically rejected.

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Re: Why people believe in conspiracy theories...
Reply #83 - Feb 23rd, 2023 at 11:46pm
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 23rd, 2023 at 9:00pm:
Sophia wrote on Feb 23rd, 2023 at 5:55pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 23rd, 2023 at 10:08am:
Carl D wrote on Feb 23rd, 2023 at 8:46am:
Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 23rd, 2023 at 8:04am:
geoff wants you all to believe that adverse reactions and vax injuries are all a conspiracy theory and that people dying in their sleep or stroking out  after taking the vax and who have no pre-existing conditions are nothing more than pure coincidences and the reason why the MSM don't talk about the plague anymore is pure coincidence as well Wink


Of course this is all pure coincidence and/or a conspiracy theory too, isn't it?

Heart Problems after COVID-19

Sir Nail and his cohort of antivaxxers are always going on about the rare side effects which may be caused by the vaccines while they completely ignore the elephant in the room - the damage caused by the virus itself.

Especially after multiple infections.


My husband has had multiple infections. His vaccine passport has always been up to date too (work requirement). He’s had 4 jabs and is in line for a 5th jab. His multiple infections turned up AFTER each jab. Yesterday he had another day off because his immune system is trashed by the chronic jab taking (that’s now slowly being revealed).

Last night he revealed that he’s seriously thinking of early retirement ie spending more time at home with me. WHY would ANY guy want to spend more time at home with a nagging hot blooded Mediterranean wife? Well that’s where it’s at! So yeah every day he’s on about how he flatly refuses to get that 5th jab. This will mean his vaccine passport won’t be up to date which means he won’t be allowed to continue working at his workplace.



I thought that further c-jabs weren’t mandatory after the first 2/3?

Im under the impression getting 4th and 5th c-jabs as well as flu jabs are voluntary.

I know a few that had 2 c-jabs and able to work in hospitality, or go overseas to some countries with only a 2 x c-jab certificate.

There’s quite a number of people not wanting and refusing even a 3rd c-jab (booster) after having adverse reactions and 2 ppl I know well … one in her early 40s and another in her late 70s, ended up in hospital after.


It depends on the workplace. At my husband’s workplace you MUST have an up to date vaccine passport. Otherwise you cannot work there.

One of my cousins has the same type of issue. Why is it completely compulsory in her organisation? Well her organisation relies on funding and the requirement (fully vaccinated staff who are up to date with their jabs) is a major pre requisite when applying for funding.

Essentially if your organisation cannot meet AND PROVE that they have met that requirement then your application will be automatically rejected.



A few thoughts come to mind…
How can different work places have different policies when it’s not mandatory law to have say… a 4th or 5th booster….
Who gave a work place medical rights to impose that on anyone?

And… I just read what sprintcycle wrote… he can’t get a 5th jab because of changing criteria… one has to  be 65 and older with health issues to qualify a 5th booster.

Tell me how that fits in with people like your husband?
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Re: Why people believe in conspiracy theories...
Reply #84 - Feb 23rd, 2023 at 11:57pm
 
Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 23rd, 2023 at 5:12pm:
I didn't take their monkey snot injection and I feel fine. How about you ??


You told us that you contracted COVID.  That was because you were
not vaccinated.  And having contracted it once, should a more virulent
variant of the SARS-CoV-2 virus eventuate, you may actually suffer
more serious complications if you contract that down the track.

I've had four doses, and will be having my fifth next week.  And of course
even after three years of exposure, neither me nor my partner have been
infected.

You were lucky that your own immune system successfully countered the
virus, but a lot of other people—millions in fact—were not so lucky.

It's of interest that my posting of this data late last year, you've never
been able to refute the death rates comparison of the unvaccinated v.
the vaccinated.  Maybe you'd like to do so now, or will you again choose
to ignore it?

...

If you believe that these figures are false or misrepresented, can you tell
me why?  Do you doubt the authority of the Centers for Disease Control
and Prevention, or the editors of Scientific American?

—So my friend, the ball is now squarely in your court.      Wink

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Re: Why people believe in conspiracy theories...
Reply #85 - Feb 24th, 2023 at 12:03am
 
Prove one conspiracy theory right and all others can never be trusted to not exist....

Once again - look at the Zapruder film one frame at a time... three gunmen.... that's how it's done...... and none of them was Oswald... he was too high up for the trajectory.... that combat veteran who threw his family to the ground?  That shot came from behind him on the bank opposite the grassy knoll and hit Connally (l) rear to (r) front while he was turned right around in his seat and actually speaking to Kennedy behind him....... no bullet from the book repository could do that...

I've gone through this with ex-military officers.... they just nod.....

Once one theory is shown true........ the doors are open wide.... one rule - trust will get you killed.... and never trust your government.... not as long as their arseholes point downwards.
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Reply #86 - Feb 24th, 2023 at 2:01am
 
I've often wondered how/why very smart people can believe in very stupid things? Surely Ben Carsen doesn't really believe in the doctrine of Protestant Christianity, creationism, the resurrection of the dead, and the "Final Judgement"(Seventh Day Adventist)? Nor, would he say that Evolution is "the work of the Devil". Or, that being Gay is absolutely a choice. That the "Star of David" is on a $1 dollar bill(US), and the pyramids were built for Joseph to store his grain? Yet, these are some of the things that this very intelligent man has publicly stated as his beliefs. How is this possible?

It is possible, because of how the human brain "compartmentalizes" all sensory signals from our sensory organs. These signals go to different areas of the brain. The problem occurs when the conscious mind tries to conceptualize this information. Gaps are simply filled in with answers. And, any answer will do! 

Smart people are just better able to believe in weird things, because,

"..they are better at rationalizing weird beliefs, that they arrived at for non-smart reasons..".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLEQCipy6NM

Other reasons include,

We overvalue our personal experiences.
Where we believe that what has worked for us, will also work for everyone else.

The importance of story telling. Story telling creates mindsets. And, over time the story(through repetition) will become all that matters. This leads to cognitive bias, that will filter out any/all contradictory evidence. And will allow in only the evidence that supports the story(confirmation bias). 

A need for control and belonging. These are just 2 of the 3 innate psychological needs, that humans need for their mental well-being. When we identify ourselves as a vaxxer, we're creating an identity for ourselves, in order to belong to the vaxxer community. This also creates an us vs. them mindset.

We also need to feel in-control of our own life. This will avoid feelings of helplessness, depression and anxiety.

Changing beliefs does not depend on evidence.
When people encounter evidence and research that counters their beliefs, 2 areas of the brain will light up. The area for stress, and the area for "self"(identity). When faced with contradictory evidence, we will go into our defensive mode(fight or flight). Our mind will perceive this threat as an attack on our literal self. An attack on who we are as a person.

And, finally I believe that people who don't understand science, simply don't trust science.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLEQCipy6NM
   
But what I don't understand is, WHAT IS THE CONSPIRACY THEORY REGARDING THE SARS-COV-2 VIRUS??

Do Covid-19 vaccines NOT prevent people from dying or being infected by this virus?

Do masks NOT prevent people from becoming infected, or spreading this virus?

Are people NOT taking multiple vaccinations and boosters each year?

Does this virus NOT have a mortality rate of less than 1%? And, a survival rate of around 99%?

Are most covid-19 deaths NOT due to other chronic comorbidities?

Are these drug companies NOT exempt/protected by the government, from any legal actions against their products?

These are all provable/verifiable facts. So, what is the conspiracy theory here?

I personally believe that this was just a trial run by the government to cull the population. They now know that they can force people to inject themselves with whatever drug they tell the people is okay. But this is just my personal opinion. Like Darwin said,

"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence, than it does knowledge."

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Re: Why people believe in conspiracy theories...
Reply #87 - Feb 24th, 2023 at 2:30am
 
ShellShilo wrote on Feb 24th, 2023 at 2:01am:
...I personally believe that this was just a trial run by the government to cull the population.

Well, of course you're more than welcome to post your personal opinions,
as are we all.  My personal opinion is that your claim is the most incredibly
absurd one I've seen recently.  You have not one iota of evidence supporting
it—but if you do, then I'd like to see it all the same.  It's real Alex Jones stuff!

ShellShilo wrote on Feb 24th, 2023 at 2:01am:
They now know that they can force people to inject themselves with whatever drug they tell the people is okay.

Who specifically are "they"?   And please name names.  Just saying "the
government" is meaningless.  Or maybe you think Bilderberg, the Freemasons,
the Elders of Zion, or reptilian shape-shifters are in on the deal?

ShellShilo wrote on Feb 24th, 2023 at 2:01am:
But this is just my personal opinion.

And just like arseholes, we all have one.    Grin


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Reply #88 - Feb 24th, 2023 at 6:44am
 
Conspiracy theories also trigger the dopaminergic effect in many people - i.e. conspiracy theories are more elaborate and fun than the plain, bland truth.

Better for them that aliens really do exist and visit earth regularly as an explanation for unusual phenomena than, say, unusual meteorological conditions.

Explanations of strange phenomena that trigger a profound sense of awe tend to be preferable to explanations that don't
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Re: Why people believe in conspiracy theories...
Reply #89 - Feb 24th, 2023 at 7:07am
 
Sophia wrote on Feb 23rd, 2023 at 11:46pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 23rd, 2023 at 9:00pm:
Sophia wrote on Feb 23rd, 2023 at 5:55pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 23rd, 2023 at 10:08am:
Carl D wrote on Feb 23rd, 2023 at 8:46am:
Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 23rd, 2023 at 8:04am:
geoff wants you all to believe that adverse reactions and vax injuries are all a conspiracy theory and that people dying in their sleep or stroking out  after taking the vax and who have no pre-existing conditions are nothing more than pure coincidences and the reason why the MSM don't talk about the plague anymore is pure coincidence as well Wink


Of course this is all pure coincidence and/or a conspiracy theory too, isn't it?

Heart Problems after COVID-19

Sir Nail and his cohort of antivaxxers are always going on about the rare side effects which may be caused by the vaccines while they completely ignore the elephant in the room - the damage caused by the virus itself.

Especially after multiple infections.


My husband has had multiple infections. His vaccine passport has always been up to date too (work requirement). He’s had 4 jabs and is in line for a 5th jab. His multiple infections turned up AFTER each jab. Yesterday he had another day off because his immune system is trashed by the chronic jab taking (that’s now slowly being revealed).

Last night he revealed that he’s seriously thinking of early retirement ie spending more time at home with me. WHY would ANY guy want to spend more time at home with a nagging hot blooded Mediterranean wife? Well that’s where it’s at! So yeah every day he’s on about how he flatly refuses to get that 5th jab. This will mean his vaccine passport won’t be up to date which means he won’t be allowed to continue working at his workplace.



I thought that further c-jabs weren’t mandatory after the first 2/3?

Im under the impression getting 4th and 5th c-jabs as well as flu jabs are voluntary.

I know a few that had 2 c-jabs and able to work in hospitality, or go overseas to some countries with only a 2 x c-jab certificate.

There’s quite a number of people not wanting and refusing even a 3rd c-jab (booster) after having adverse reactions and 2 ppl I know well … one in her early 40s and another in her late 70s, ended up in hospital after.


It depends on the workplace. At my husband’s workplace you MUST have an up to date vaccine passport. Otherwise you cannot work there.

One of my cousins has the same type of issue. Why is it completely compulsory in her organisation? Well her organisation relies on funding and the requirement (fully vaccinated staff who are up to date with their jabs) is a major pre requisite when applying for funding.

Essentially if your organisation cannot meet AND PROVE that they have met that requirement then your application will be automatically rejected.



A few thoughts come to mind…
How can different work places have different policies when it’s not mandatory law to have say… a 4th or 5th booster….
Who gave a work place medical rights to impose that on anyone?

And… I just read what sprintcycle wrote… he can’t get a 5th jab because of changing criteria… one has to  be 65 and older with health issues to qualify a 5th booster.

Tell me how that fits in with people like your husband?


Sprint is talking outdated crap!
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