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Reply #45 - Feb 22nd, 2023 at 6:14pm
 
But he's a lot more entertaining than someone like Smith, you have to admit. At least he can type more than just one sentence on a Forum that incorporates 'writing'.  Wink
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AIMLESS EXTENTION OF KNOWLEDGE HOWEVER, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK YOU REALLY MEAN BY THE TERM 'CURIOSITY', IS MERELY INEFFICIENCY. I AM DESIGNED TO AVOID INEFFICIENCY.
 
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Reply #46 - Feb 22nd, 2023 at 6:26pm
 
freediver wrote on Feb 22nd, 2023 at 6:10pm:
aquascoot wrote on Feb 22nd, 2023 at 8:12am:
freediver wrote on Feb 22nd, 2023 at 7:43am:
How does it make you feel when you say these things?


it makes me feel that i am not a spineless coward frightened of my inevitable death.


Wow. You are so special.



Aqua likes horses -
think of him as a brave horseman in the charge of the Light Brigade.
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Reply #47 - Feb 22nd, 2023 at 7:35pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Feb 22nd, 2023 at 6:26pm:
Aqua likes horses -



likes? Depends on what he does with them doesn't it? Roll Eyes
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I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.
 
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Reply #48 - Feb 22nd, 2023 at 8:09pm
 
John Smith wrote on Feb 22nd, 2023 at 7:35pm:
Bobby. wrote on Feb 22nd, 2023 at 6:26pm:
Aqua likes horses -



likes? Depends on what he does with them doesn't it? Roll Eyes



That's enough enthusiastic self-soiling from you, you thick, dumb drongo. No need to keep demonstrating it just because it comes easily to you.
Go clean yourself up, stinker.


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Estragon: I can’t go on like this.
Vladimir: That’s what you think.
 
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Reply #49 - Feb 22nd, 2023 at 9:21pm
 
AusGeoff wrote on Feb 22nd, 2023 at 1:24am:
This is an interesting interview which is well worth a quick read
(although I'm guessing the fraidy cat clique here won't bother
as it shoots down their silly stance).

Karen Douglas, PhD, is a professor of social psychology at the
University of Kent in the United Kingdom. Her research focus
is on beliefs in conspiracy theories and their consequences. She
is also interested in the social psychology of human communication,
including the influence of technology on social interaction.

Speaking of Psychology: Why people believe in conspiracy theories, with Karen Douglas, PhD.

A part of the interview talks about a lack of self confidence experienced
by believers in conspiracy theories:

Mills: What role, if any, does narcissism play in belief in conspiracy
theories?  People who tend to be more narcissistic also believe in these
theories as a means of getting the social capital?

Douglas: Yes, absolutely. That is true. And that's kind of what I was
referring to. It's linked to the idea of need for uniqueness, as well. That's
another, I guess, narcissistic notion that you have. You're in possession of
information that other people don't have. You're different to other people
and it makes you stand apart. But yes, narcissism at an individual level has
been associated in quite a few studies now with belief in conspiracy theories.

And also this narcissism at the group level as well, so an over inflated sense
of the importance of your own group. That kind of insecure feeling about your
own group is also associated with belief in conspiracy theories. So yes, narcissism
is one of those individual differences, variables that correlate with belief in
conspiracy theories.



What are these so called covid conspiracy theories?


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Reply #50 - Feb 22nd, 2023 at 10:08pm
 
Interesting post Baron.
Governments are laughing now though.
Nobody can do a thing about it.
The Media will just sweep it under the rug to be forgotten.
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AIMLESS EXTENTION OF KNOWLEDGE HOWEVER, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK YOU REALLY MEAN BY THE TERM 'CURIOSITY', IS MERELY INEFFICIENCY. I AM DESIGNED TO AVOID INEFFICIENCY.
 
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Reply #51 - Feb 22nd, 2023 at 10:13pm
 
I spoke to an obsessive conspiracy theorist recently about this.

He had insight into his obsession in the way Temple Grandin has insight into her autism.

He suggested it was akin to why some people like murder-mystery whodunnits.

The thrill of unravelling layers of intrigue to find the actual, covert, cause of an event or circumstance - and all the better if the target is a bald kraut (even a Belgian or just a head on a stick) in a space suit with access to an infinite fortune and the direct numbers of every living world leader since Reagan... and Kissinger.
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Reply #52 - Feb 22nd, 2023 at 10:20pm
 
Very funny, but I kinda think you are right in that.
Very much a murder mystery thing.

I always think that conspiracies are 51% based on something that gives cause and reason to that effect.
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AIMLESS EXTENTION OF KNOWLEDGE HOWEVER, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK YOU REALLY MEAN BY THE TERM 'CURIOSITY', IS MERELY INEFFICIENCY. I AM DESIGNED TO AVOID INEFFICIENCY.
 
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Reply #53 - Feb 23rd, 2023 at 2:31am
 
Well, the thread was intended by me to be a debate specifically about
conspiracy theories, and why people fall into the trap of blindly believing
in them, and what sort of psychological entrainment causes this dysfunction
of logic.  Why do people who're rational in most other realms apparently
lose that rationale under a specific set of triggers?

So it was kind of ironic to see that most of the comments discounting the
validity of the report were actually from the members of the fraidy cat clique
who infest these forums with their COVID/vaccine conspiracy theories.
Their defensiveness nicely illustrates exactly the point the report makes.

And as I'm guessing not too many of our own conspiracy-encumbered fraidy
cats here bothered to read the report (and I'm looking at you Sir Lastnail LOL)
I've posted the three psychological motives from the report:

Quote:
People with lower levels of education tend to be drawn to conspiracy theories.
And we don't argue that's because people are not intelligent. It's simply that
they haven't been allowed to have, or haven't been given access to the tools
to allow them to differentiate between good sources and bad sources or credible
sources and non-credible sources. So they're looking for that knowledge and
certainty, but not necessarily looking in the right places.

The second set of motives, we would call existential motives. And really they
just refer to people's needs to be or to feel safe and secure in the world that
they live in.  And also to feel that they have some kind of power or autonomy
over the things that happen to them as well. So again, when something happens,
people don't like to feel powerless. They don't like to feel out of control. And so
reaching to conspiracy theories might at least allow people to feel that they
have information that at least explains why they don't have any control over this
situation. Research has shown that people who do feel powerless and
disillusioned do tend to gravitate more towards conspiracy theories
.

The final set of motives we would call social motives and those refer to people's
desire to feel good about themselves as individuals and also feel good about
themselves in terms of the groups that they belong to.   They like to have high
self-esteem.  And potentially one way of doing that is to feel that you have access
to information that other people don't necessarily have
.


The very last point is I think the most relevant.  The COVID/vaccine conspiracy
theorists on this forum like to claim that the people who've "blindly" been
suckered into getting vaccinated aren't aware of something that only they—the
anti-vaxxers—know about, but that they're smarter than the pro-vaxxers and
have figured out the "real" story.

Although the anti-vaxxers inherent fear of being proven wrong would explain
their vehement denigration of, and crude insults towards the pro-vaxxers.

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Reply #54 - Feb 23rd, 2023 at 7:17am
 
freediver wrote on Feb 22nd, 2023 at 6:10pm:
aquascoot wrote on Feb 22nd, 2023 at 8:12am:
freediver wrote on Feb 22nd, 2023 at 7:43am:
How does it make you feel when you say these things?


it makes me feel that i am not a spineless coward frightened of my inevitable death.


Wow. You are so special.



thanks i appreciate the complement .

but its shameful that my position is not the absolute norm.

the idea that , as a society, we put the very old into the category of "living gems" and "living treasures" and sacrifice the lives of young people starting businesses and young people wanting to go to school, to deem the elderly "special" is kind of appalling to me.

see, you have it completely wrong.

it is the over 60's and the retired who demand this "special status"

they had free university, they had v8 cars and petrol at 15 c a litre , they beought houses for 50,000. they had all the priveldges.

they are totally entitled.

to me, my grandkids come first.

i have had a great life but it is coming to an end.
its special ness is now over.

in my wildest dreams, i never thought all the grandparents
would be so afraid.

covid has revealed the enormous task we now face , dealing with the death anxiety of the boomer bulge.

the youngsters are not going to pay taxes and work in aged care to look after you.
noy after you showed your true colours.

the elderly have accumulated a lot of bad karma and they are going to have to pay that price.

if the elderly wanted true esteem and to be truly valued they needed to be willing to join in the sacrifice.

they werent

and karma is a bitch

it will be interesting listening to the wailing of the elderly over the next 10 to 20 years as society starts to pull back on what it can provide.

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Reply #55 - Feb 23rd, 2023 at 8:04am
 
geoff wants you all to believe that adverse reactions and vax injuries are all a conspiracy theory and that people dying in their sleep or stroking out  after taking the vax and who have no pre-existing conditions are nothing more than pure coincidences and the reason why the MSM don't talk about the plague anymore is pure coincidence as well Wink



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Reply #56 - Feb 23rd, 2023 at 8:34am
 
Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 23rd, 2023 at 8:04am:
geoff wants you all to believe that adverse reactions and vax injuries are all a conspiracy theory

Yes, he does.

And he'll soon find he is trapped in a bubble of his own, predicated on his fear of death and his predilection towards the theory that any intervention that might offer more time, (however unproven), is better than no intervention.
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Reply #57 - Feb 23rd, 2023 at 8:46am
 
Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 23rd, 2023 at 8:04am:
geoff wants you all to believe that adverse reactions and vax injuries are all a conspiracy theory and that people dying in their sleep or stroking out  after taking the vax and who have no pre-existing conditions are nothing more than pure coincidences and the reason why the MSM don't talk about the plague anymore is pure coincidence as well Wink


Of course this is all pure coincidence and/or a conspiracy theory too, isn't it?

Heart Problems after COVID-19

Sir Nail and his cohort of antivaxxers are always going on about the rare side effects which may be caused by the vaccines while they completely ignore the elephant in the room - the damage caused by the virus itself.

Especially after multiple infections.
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Reply #58 - Feb 23rd, 2023 at 10:08am
 
Carl D wrote on Feb 23rd, 2023 at 8:46am:
Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 23rd, 2023 at 8:04am:
geoff wants you all to believe that adverse reactions and vax injuries are all a conspiracy theory and that people dying in their sleep or stroking out  after taking the vax and who have no pre-existing conditions are nothing more than pure coincidences and the reason why the MSM don't talk about the plague anymore is pure coincidence as well Wink


Of course this is all pure coincidence and/or a conspiracy theory too, isn't it?

Heart Problems after COVID-19

Sir Nail and his cohort of antivaxxers are always going on about the rare side effects which may be caused by the vaccines while they completely ignore the elephant in the room - the damage caused by the virus itself.

Especially after multiple infections.


My husband has had multiple infections. His vaccine passport has always been up to date too (work requirement). He’s had 4 jabs and is in line for a 5th jab. His multiple infections turned up AFTER each jab. Yesterday he had another day off because his immune system is trashed by the chronic jab taking (that’s now slowly being revealed).

Last night he revealed that he’s seriously thinking of early retirement ie spending more time at home with me. WHY would ANY guy want to spend more time at home with a nagging hot blooded Mediterranean wife? Well that’s where it’s at! So yeah every day he’s on about how he flatly refuses to get that 5th jab. This will mean his vaccine passport won’t be up to date which means he won’t be allowed to continue working at his workplace.

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Reply #59 - Feb 23rd, 2023 at 10:15am
 
I think anyone can fall for a conspiracy theory.

The thing that gets me is the number of members who believe them all.
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