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Baronvonrort Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20122 Gender:	Re: Why people believe in conspiracy theories... Reply #105 - Feb 24^th, 2023 at 5:30pm Just a reminder on what these people said. They accused anyone of contradicting them to be conspiracy theorists spreading misinformation.
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Sir lastnail Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 30795 Gender:	Re: Why people believe in conspiracy theories... Reply #106 - Feb 24^th, 2023 at 7:48pm Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 24^th, 2023 at 5:30pm: Just a reminder on what these people said. They accused anyone of contradicting them to be conspiracy theorists spreading misinformation. And I believe nearly all of them made a lot of money out of it
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Reply #107 - Feb 24^th, 2023 at 7:58pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 24^th, 2023 at 5:30pm:

Just a reminder on what these people said. They accused anyone of contradicting them to be conspiracy theorists spreading misinformation.

They said it and in general it was true at the time.

For the vast majority it was true but the statistics of the effectiveness meant that there were always going to be cases, nobody said it was 100% effective. Then later the 2 diverging factors were that the higher the vaccination rate the higher the break through cases mathematically had to be coupled with the more variations of virus there were the further the vaccine was from protecting against the various strains that it was never designed to combat. The goal posts were moving and the outcomes had changed.

The advice was that yes you may get covid but the case will be milder the odds of death or hospitalisation was much reduced.

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Reply #108 - Feb 24^th, 2023 at 8:25pm

Dnarever wrote on Feb 24^th, 2023 at 7:58pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 24^th, 2023 at 5:30pm:

Just a reminder on what these people said. They accused anyone of contradicting them to be conspiracy theorists spreading misinformation.

They said it and in general it was true at the time.

For the vast majority it was true but the statistics of the effectiveness meant that there were always going to be cases, nobody said it was 100% effective. Then later the 2 diverging factors were that the higher the vaccination rate the higher the break through cases mathematically had to be coupled with the more variations of virus there were the further the vaccine was from protecting against the various strains that it was never designed to combat. The goal posts were moving and the outcomes had changed.

The advice was that yes you may get covid but the case will be milder the odds of death or hospitalisation was much reduced.

There was no way of proving that that would happen though, so that advise was just bit of off-the-cuff BS brainwashing

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Reply #109 - Feb 24^th, 2023 at 8:31pm

Bias_2012 wrote on Feb 24^th, 2023 at 8:25pm:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 24^th, 2023 at 7:58pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 24^th, 2023 at 5:30pm:

Just a reminder on what these people said. They accused anyone of contradicting them to be conspiracy theorists spreading misinformation.

They said it and in general it was true at the time.

For the vast majority it was true but the statistics of the effectiveness meant that there were always going to be cases, nobody said it was 100% effective. Then later the 2 diverging factors were that the higher the vaccination rate the higher the break through cases mathematically had to be coupled with the more variations of virus there were the further the vaccine was from protecting against the various strains that it was never designed to combat. The goal posts were moving and the outcomes had changed.

The advice was that yes you may get covid but the case will be milder the odds of death or hospitalisation was much reduced.

There was no way of proving that that would happen though, so that advise was just bit of off-the-cuff BS brainwashing

NO. It was based on what was happening. More people were recording as positive but more people were not being admitted to hospital.

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Reply #110 - Feb 24^th, 2023 at 11:55pm

AusGeoff wrote on Feb 24^th, 2023 at 2:30am:

Well, of course you're more than welcome to post your personal opinions,
as are we all. My personal opinion is that your claim is the most incredibly
absurd one I've seen recently. You have not one iota of evidence supporting
it—but if you do, then I'd like to see it all the same. It's real Alex Jones stuff!

My personal belief does NOT require evidence to support it. In fact, that is the very definition of a 'belief',

"..an acceptance that something exists or is true, especially one without proof.".

In fact, if there was irrefutable evidence to support a belief, THEN IT WOULD NO LONGER BE A BELIEF. IT WOULD BE A FACT, RIGHT?

My belief is based on basic logic(deduction), and the FACT that when the world's population reaches over 10B(in 27 years), we will run out of food and other resources to feed the population. Or, at least resources would certainly be rationed.

https://www.indiatimes.com/trending/social-relevance/world-will-run-out-of-food-in-27-years-prediction-567806.html#:~:text=Highlights,and%20wasted%20every%20single%20day.
https://www.the-sun.com/news/5192364/world-run-out-food-27-years-overpopulation/

There are only 3 ways to effectively slow down population growth. Culling, physical/chemical neutering, or physically separating the sexes. I very much doubt that any of these remedies would be done openly by any government! Let alone anyone willing to take credit for them.

My belief is based simply on cause and effect, and the concept of entropy. As the global population increases, we will need to use more and more of the planet's FINITE resources(food, land, water, air, energy, etc.). This is NOT rocket science. Nor, does it require any great leaps of faith. Whether my personal opinion is true or not, I don't know. But, we have now opened "Pandora's Box". We've allowed the government to ignore the individual's rights to privacy, and his right to choose what can go into his body(job or jab). This is a very dangerous precedent to set.

And, to make matters worse, the government is legally protecting these drug companies from ALL/ANY legal actions against them. With a compensation cap of $5K of course. That is, if you can prove that the vaccine was at fault.

And speaking of absurdity. It is one thing to voluntarily be injected with a drug that the government says is good for you, and will protect you. But, to keep being re-injected with this drug indefinitely is beyond absurdity! It is irrational!

https://www.health.gov.au/ministers/the-hon-greg-hunt-mp/media/no-fault-covid-19-indemnity-scheme

AusGeoff wrote on Feb 24^th, 2023 at 2:30am:

Who specifically are "they"? And please name names. Just saying "the
government" is meaningless. Or maybe you think Bilderberg, the Freemasons,
the Elders of Zion, or reptilian shape-shifters are in on the deal?

Incredulity!! Reptilian shape-shifters?? Really? The only thing that is relevant, is HOW do we slow down global population growth. NOT who is responsible! Sticking our head in the sand is not an option.

My post was mainly trying to explain, why very smart people can believe in, and even defend very stupid things. I mentioned the relationship between our innate psychological needs, and how they can affect the human condition(psyche). As well as how the brain "compartmentalizes" what it perceives through the sense organs. These biochemical processes can make many of us vulnerable to a number of cognitive biases(confirmation bias). Especially, if we don't understand them.

I also asked for an example of a Covid-19-related conspiracy theory. It is easy to label someone as a conspiracy theorist. But it is much harder to explain why!! So, what are some of these conspiracy theories?

So, maybe you can elaborate more on my TRUTH CLAIMS, rather than focus only on my personal belief claims. Because I really hope that I am wrong!

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Reply #111 - Feb 25^th, 2023 at 12:08am

AusGeoff wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2023 at 11:57pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2023 at 5:12pm:

I didn't take their monkey snot injection and I feel fine. How about you ??

You told us that you contracted COVID. That was because you were
not vaccinated. And having contracted it once, should a more virulent
variant of the SARS-CoV-2 virus eventuate, you may actually suffer
more serious complications if you contract that down the track.

I've had four doses, and will be having my fifth next week. And of course
even after three years of exposure, neither me nor my partner have been
infected.

You were lucky that your own immune system successfully countered the
virus, but a lot of other people—millions in fact—were not so lucky.

It's of interest that my posting of this data late last year, you've never
been able to refute the death rates comparison of the unvaccinated v.
the vaccinated. Maybe you'd like to do so now, or will you again choose
to ignore it?

https://i.postimg.cc/R0b3mWtp/Screenshot-2023-02-24-at-00-50-22-How-to-Compare-C...

If you believe that these figures are false or misrepresented, can you tell
me why? Do you doubt the authority of the Centers for Disease Control
and Prevention, or the editors of Scientific American?

—So my friend, the ball is now squarely in your court. Wink

I have already debunked these year old stats twice. Why do you keep posting them? Just re-read between the lines objectively.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-to-compare-covid-deaths-for-vaccinated-and-unvaccinated-people/

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Reply #112 - Feb 25^th, 2023 at 5:51am

yep , correct shell.

the UK government has just released the stats for the last 6 months ( took them long enough).

no difference in mortality for the vaxxed as compared to the unvaxxed.

the whole vaccine thing was a flop and most of the scaredy cats getting booster 5 are foing so to get the placebo effect.

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Reply #113 - Feb 25^th, 2023 at 10:21am

Politicians are the worst for creating conspiracy theories

"Populate or perish" - we were never perishing, in fact it will be continually populating that will cause us to perish

"We'll be run over by communists from Asia" - it never happened, even when the communists won the Vietnam war

"We'll never have a GST" - we got a GST

"Vaccines will stop Covid" - Covid is still going

The question should be: Why do politicians join in with this spreading of conspiracy theories?, especially Lab and Lib politicians

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Reply #114 - Feb 25^th, 2023 at 11:32pm

aquascoot wrote on Feb 24^th, 2023 at 7:24am:

good post shell.

i have no doubts that gates and zuckerburg are smarter then me.

can they produce better quality food?

doubtful.

science is leading us to a GM food world, an antibiotic resistant world, a nuclear armed world, a surviellance world.

the west which is at the forefront of worship of science has never been nore medicated, more obese and suffered from higher rates of chronic diseases and anxiety and depression.

i think i'll stick to interacting with mother nature rather then these very smart scientists

Thank You again for your kind words. It might be true, that in a capitalist free market society, your worth IS determined by how much capital you can consume. But, there is NO relationship between how much capital you can consumes, and how intelligent you are. This is a social myth!

Both Zuckerberg(in his second year) and Gates(after ONE semester) were both Harvard dropouts. Both later received HONORARY Doctorates from Harvard. Even Steve Jobs dropped out of college after ONE semester. They all have zero tertiary qualifications.

So, don't sell yourself short, intellectually. Unless you believe that Trump, Palin, Bush Jr, might also be smarter than you!

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Reply #115 - Feb 26^th, 2023 at 5:53am

ShellShilo wrote on Feb 25^th, 2023 at 11:32pm:

aquascoot wrote on Feb 24^th, 2023 at 7:24am:

good post shell.

i have no doubts that gates and zuckerburg are smarter then me.

can they produce better quality food?

doubtful.

science is leading us to a GM food world, an antibiotic resistant world, a nuclear armed world, a surviellance world.

the west which is at the forefront of worship of science has never been nore medicated, more obese and suffered from higher rates of chronic diseases and anxiety and depression.

i think i'll stick to interacting with mother nature rather then these very smart scientists

Thank You again for your kind words. It might be true, that in a capitalist free market society, your worth IS determined by how much capital you can consume. But, there is NO relationship between how much capital you can consumes, and how intelligent you are. This is a social myth!

Both Zuckerberg(in his second year) and Gates(after ONE semester) were both Harvard dropouts. Both later received HONORARY Doctorates from Harvard. Even Steve Jobs dropped out of college after ONE semester. They all have zero tertiary qualifications.

So, don't sell yourself short, intellectually. Unless you believe that Trump, Palin, Bush Jr, might also be smarter than you!

theres uni smart and then theres just smart.

a uni smart guy might grow a lot of gm crops and buy a lot of high tech gear to produce food.

but he might do no personal development on the 6 inches between his ears.

so he gets a flood or a hailstorm and he gets all butt hurt and quits.

a smart person might read the bagava gita (a hindu text) whic says

"you have the right to toil but you dont have the right to your desired result"
or
"you have the right to enjoy the work but you dont have the right to the fruits of your work"
or
"you have the right to walk the path but you dont have the right to the destination you want"

when i " got " that it changed my approach to farming.

i was very happy putting in my crop and if it didnt rain or a flood came, i stopped being a cry baby and got on with the next bit of work.

by doing so, i achieved great success.

would uni have helped with that?

i went to uni and started 2 businesses but it was the things i got from understanding how nature works that set me up for success.

i note gates is divorced (i belueve over epstein) and he is trying to fill a hole in his life of being unloved.
much like robin williams , you cant fill that hole with external validation.

i note jobs got cancer quite young.
when you are under stress (and he seemed a high stres individual), your immune system doesnt work. you get sick.

i note bezos is divorced with a record settlement and now is on steroids and trying to bed young models.
he too doesnt get the nature of reality.

i note zuckerburg is pandering to president Xi and , in fact, banned anyone who even mentioned a lab leak theory (niow widely accepted ) because his chinese wife pussy whipped him intio compromising the truth,

trust in mother nature.

5 vaccines is anti nature.

big phamra produce anti- biotics
anti- virals
ant acids
anti parasisitics
anti hyperstensives
anti cholesterol drugs.
anti depressants
anti anxiety drugs

their whole business model is to have people as detached from nature as possible and in many cases taking some sort of poison to keep them there.

they know nothing of health.

asking them for advice is like asking a homeless person whcih shares to buy.

they dont deal in health (success) they deal in disease (failure)

they love failure and rely upon it.

they despise people who are fit and eat well and exercise and have a quality family because they cant sell to those people .

think how ass about we have become.

the sickest, most medicated, most poorly fed, fattest, sloppiest, most emotionally uncalibrated, most disengaged from nature , most anxious, most death anxious society ever.

disgusting stuff

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