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Reply #30 - Dec 7^th, 2022 at 11:41pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 7^th, 2022 at 11:29pm:

What happened to looking after both?

The Church of Aquascoot has already decreed early in the pandemic (and many times since) that the elderly (that's anyone over 60) and people with disabilities or medical issues need to be sacrificed to Covid on the altar of the economy so the young can flourish... or go on their endless Bali holidays... or whatever they want to do as long as they're not inconvenienced in any way whatsoever.

And "inconvenienced" to them includes something as simple as wearing a mask whenever they leave the house to protect the abovementioned groups of vulnerable people.

I was nearly going to say "to protect themselves as well" but I'm sure they don't give a toss about that either judging by the number of people I saw wearing masks at Belmont Forum again today.

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Reply #31 - Dec 8^th, 2022 at 12:43am

You know earlier in this thread I said how hubby was flustered at work because he’s virtually on his own while hell breaks loose?
The other mechanic that had the car accident and went to hospital finding out he has covid…
He came into work today… yes with covid….
What had happened… now bear in mind he is triple jabbed… he was in his car and suddenly didn’t feel very well… he rested a while… then wanted to get back home and as he was driving he suddenly blacked out.
Went across 3 lanes… over to opposite side of 3 lanes, and into a ditch.
He awoken with all airbags opened up and people all around him.
In hospital they did blood tests etc and told him he has covid.

He’s lucky he didn’t freakin die!
And the other young buck in his early 20s went home feeling sick … geez it seems us unvaxxed have to keep the country running it seems!

These hospitals need to call back all the nurses and ambo drivers that left earlier bcoz they didn’t want to be coerced taking the jab … you know..… no jab no job….
They need to come back whether jabbed or not!
The hospitals now need them…. desperately!
There’s a crisis happening.

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Reply #32 - Dec 8^th, 2022 at 7:47am

aquascoot wrote on Dec 6^th, 2022 at 6:48pm:

Carl D wrote on Dec 6^th, 2022 at 5:17pm:

Adelaide now.

https://mobile.twitter.com/AdlEmergStatus/status/1599989480370339842

Emergency Departments

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All Adult EDs in Adelaide are critically overcrowded (>125% of their capacity)!

This dangerous situation requires urgent action

Definitely not good.

This thread is about children's Hospital
If I was the Minister for health I would move stuff from the adult hospital to the children's hospital as children are more important
Things like fractures would be given priority
The elderly would just have to wait

As an older person myself I'm fine with that

I would consider it a scandal if I was seen before a child with possible meningitis was seen

I would consider that as disgusting as taking a spot on a lifeboat in front of a child

What happened to common decency

As an older person myself I'm not fine with that.

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Reply #33 - Dec 8^th, 2022 at 8:52am

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 7^th, 2022 at 11:29pm:

aquascoot wrote on Dec 6^th, 2022 at 6:48pm:

Carl D wrote on Dec 6^th, 2022 at 5:17pm:

Adelaide now.

https://mobile.twitter.com/AdlEmergStatus/status/1599989480370339842

Emergency Departments

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All Adult EDs in Adelaide are critically overcrowded (>125% of their capacity)!

This dangerous situation requires urgent action

Definitely not good.

This thread is about children's Hospital
If I was the Minister for health I would move stuff from the adult hospital to the children's hospital as children are more important
Things like fractures would be given priority
The elderly would just have to wait

As an older person myself I'm fine with that

I would consider it a scandal if I was seen before a child with possible meningitis was seen

I would consider that as disgusting as taking a spot on a lifeboat in front of a child

What happened to common decency

What happened to looking after both?

There will always be health rationing

We will never be able to do everything for everyone it is impossible
You for instance say that your mother has had 16 admissions to hospital this year
With a quadrupling of the number of people over 80 projected in the next 15 years
That is simply not going to be possible in the future

My wife works in the health system
People say there are staff shortages and they are most certainly correct
She is 48 kg and it is not COVID that is exhausting her and her colleagues
It is the overweight and the demented

She is doing shifts where often only half the staff turn up

She is expected to change the sheets when 160kg people with self-inflicted obesity poop the bed or we the bed
You try moving 160kg and doing that on your own
It is of course an impossibility

But being The trooper that she is she battles on
She has nearly 9 months sick pay owing to her
And she was recently doing a shift where a demented nursing home patient
Smacked her hard in the head

I don't usually condone people taking time off work
But I said to her honey you really should have a few days off

What happens then is that as staff not turning up
The remaining staff become burnt out very quickly

Again this has nothing to do with covid

Ask her or any of her colleagues who I see fairly regularly whether it is covered that is causing the incredible burnout and attrition in public hospitals

It is not

It is the heavy workload mainly imposed by immobile overweight people and people transferred from nursing homes

Why are people being transferred from nursing homes to public hospitals

Because the nursing home can continue to reap the profits from the federal government for having the person at their facility
At the moment that person becomes a bit aggressive due to dementia or too heavy to look after and a burden on their profits they call an ambulance and have them sent over to the nearest public hospital

This situation cannot continue

If it does you will have no nurses
You will have no staff left in your public hospitals

I saw the statistic this morning for Melbourne and it's code Brown

People with appendicitis are waiting 60% longer than a year ago to be operated upon

This is something that never would have happened in the 60s 70s 80s 90s or last decade

We have to do something to save our public hospitals and it is on each individual to take personal responsibility and keep themselves healthy so that the hospitals are not overwhelmed and people like my wife Are not demolished looking after people who never bothered to take care of themselves

I also include people who did not get the vaccination as people being a burden as well
But the far bigger burden is self imposed bad health decisions smoking drinking drugs getting fat and refusing to exercise

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Reply #34 - Dec 8^th, 2022 at 9:07am

Sprintcyclist wrote on Dec 8^th, 2022 at 7:47am:

aquascoot wrote on Dec 6^th, 2022 at 6:48pm:

Carl D wrote on Dec 6^th, 2022 at 5:17pm:

Adelaide now.

https://mobile.twitter.com/AdlEmergStatus/status/1599989480370339842

Emergency Departments

Quote:

All Adult EDs in Adelaide are critically overcrowded (>125% of their capacity)!

This dangerous situation requires urgent action

Definitely not good.

This thread is about children's Hospital
If I was the Minister for health I would move stuff from the adult hospital to the children's hospital as children are more important
Things like fractures would be given priority
The elderly would just have to wait

As an older person myself I'm fine with that

I would consider it a scandal if I was seen before a child with possible meningitis was seen

I would consider that as disgusting as taking a spot on a lifeboat in front of a child

What happened to common decency

As an older person myself I'm not fine with that.

Sprint I can see the writing on the wall
The public hospital system has become totally dysfunctional
It is overwhelmed and the morale of staff is in general very low

The community need to work together with the doctors and nurses
And try to create as little work for them as possible

I agree with people being vaccinated of course
But people should not become unhealthy through bad personal decisions and then just throw themselves at a casualty department and expect the system to cope no matter what the burden

There will always be rationing there will always be triaging
Some things will need to be seen sooner than others
It will get to the point where elective surgery just does not get done

That then creates a whole new range of problems

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Reply #35 - Dec 8^th, 2022 at 9:18am

aquascoot wrote on Dec 8^th, 2022 at 9:07am:

The public hospital system has become totally dysfunctional
It is overwhelmed and the morale of staff is in general very low

Hold on a minute.

You keep telling us our hospitals are not being overwhelmed (at least not with Covid patients - which they are, of course. As well as many staff being off sick with Covid).

You've told us that on many occasions. In fact, you told us again about a week or two ago.

So, are our hospitals being overwhelmed or not?

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Reply #36 - Dec 8^th, 2022 at 9:42am

aquascoot wrote on Dec 8^th, 2022 at 9:07am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Dec 8^th, 2022 at 7:47am:

aquascoot wrote on Dec 6^th, 2022 at 6:48pm:

Carl D wrote on Dec 6^th, 2022 at 5:17pm:

Adelaide now.

https://mobile.twitter.com/AdlEmergStatus/status/1599989480370339842

Emergency Departments

Quote:

All Adult EDs in Adelaide are critically overcrowded (>125% of their capacity)!

This dangerous situation requires urgent action

Definitely not good.

This thread is about children's Hospital
If I was the Minister for health I would move stuff from the adult hospital to the children's hospital as children are more important
Things like fractures would be given priority
The elderly would just have to wait

As an older person myself I'm fine with that

I would consider it a scandal if I was seen before a child with possible meningitis was seen

I would consider that as disgusting as taking a spot on a lifeboat in front of a child

What happened to common decency

As an older person myself I'm not fine with that.

Sprint I can see the writing on the wall
The public hospital system has become totally dysfunctional
It is overwhelmed and the morale of staff is in general very low

The community need to work together with the doctors and nurses
And try to create as little work for them as possible

I agree with people being vaccinated of course
But people should not become unhealthy through bad personal decisions and then just throw themselves at a casualty department and expect the system to cope no matter what the burden

There will always be rationing there will always be triaging
Some things will need to be seen sooner than others
It will get to the point where elective surgery just does not get done

That then creates a whole new range of problems

I believe in certain vaccinations but not that C -vax … and now more than ever I don’t believe in it… from my own vantage point… I see it makes no frikking difference.
All those 2 years lockdowns and isolations… all for what?
Kept in a bubble for 2 years and now… many are sicker than ever by the hoards as a result.
The flu/common cold just magically disappeared!

This covid is not going away. It was said at least earlier on that we need to learn to live with it.
Well now everyone is less afraid… my son and his wife attended a nice super spreader event at the MCG for a Guns and Roses concert on Saturday night!
He sent me short vids of what 90 thousand people looked like all rocking it. No one wearing masks of course!

As for self inflicted health problems… last week a 68 yr old guy ended up in hospital because of his life style choices. Drinks too much and will eat a whole block of chocolate Shocked

So he had stomach trouble of diverticulitis.
You are correct Aqua…. self inflicted and yet expect hospitals to be their life savers … which they do… only to go back to their bad habits again. Sad really… addiction… the habits… a self created problem that eventually has a ripple effect of using ambulance/hospital bed/staff etc
Then hospital bed shortage for those that really need it like children… or accident injuries…

This current full moon has shed a lot of light on hospital problems of recent.
A paramedic told me it’s always more busy at full moon time.

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Reply #37 - Dec 8^th, 2022 at 10:49am

Carl D wrote on Dec 8^th, 2022 at 9:18am:

aquascoot wrote on Dec 8^th, 2022 at 9:07am:

The public hospital system has become totally dysfunctional
It is overwhelmed and the morale of staff is in general very low

Hold on a minute.

You keep telling us our hospitals are not being overwhelmed (at least not with Covid patients - which they are, of course. As well as many staff being off sick with Covid).

You've told us that on many occasions. In fact, you told us again about a week or two ago.

So, are our hospitals being overwhelmed or not?

Yes hospitals are most definitely overrun
If you speak to my wife who works in a hospital everyday of her life almost
She will tell you that kovid is the least of their problems

Her hospital cannot cope with the steady stream of ambulances from nursing homes
And the steady stream of diabetics with infected stumps
Many of these people are in hospital for months
They require full nursing care and there are not enough nurses to go around
I am getting rather sick of seeing her exhausted trying to look after people who have not looked after themselves

As I have said repeatedly it is not covid that is stressing the system
It is diabetes obesity mental health problems often due to amphetamine use
Smoking and alcohol related problems
And a growing number of infections that do not respond to antibiotics because we have overused antibiotics in the past

That is the issue

Ask yourself this
A single course of pfizer's new miracle drug
Pax Lovid costs the hospital $2,500
It seems only mildly effective
You could employ a registered nurse for 2 weeks and improve staff morale for 2 1/2 thousand dollars
That would seem better at helping the system then doing what mainly helps a big American pharmaceutical company

Of course that will never happen
The politicians and other people on the gravy train know which side of their bread is buttered

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Reply #38 - Dec 8^th, 2022 at 2:40pm

Carl D wrote on Dec 6^th, 2022 at 7:22am:

Of course they won't say it's Covid.
Same thing is happening in the UK and other countries ...

It is a "triple hit" of ...

Seasonal Influenza
Respiratory Syncytial Virus (RSV)
Covid19

It's more of a staff shortage combined with a heavier than normal patient load.

It's world-wide issue, as the pandemic drags on.

I heard someone trying the "not happy Dan" chant for this international imbalance, just the other day.
FORTUNATELY, Victorians are smarter than that at the ballot box.

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Respiratory virus activity has increased in recent weeks in Canada, and activity of several viruses is above expected levels.

Overall influenza activity is increasing and above expected levels for this time of year (2,234 detections; 11.7% positive). Influenza activity is above the seasonal threshold of 5% of tests positive, indicating the beginning of the influenza epidemic at the national level.
Influenza activity is increasing across Canada, with nearly all regions reporting over 5% of tests positive.
Influenza A accounts for nearly all influenza activity in Canada.
Overall respiratory syncytial virus activity is increasing and is above expected levels for this time of year (1,309 detections; 7.8% positive). Level of activity is variable across regions (range: 1.8%–20.1% positive).
Activity of other respiratory viruses is relatively stable and near expected levels for this time of year.
32/34 sentinel laboratories reported surveillance data.

https://www.canada.ca/en/public-health/services/surveillance/respiratory-virus-d...

It should be pointed out - that NO ONE will be turned away from any Victorian Hospital.
There may be some delays as patients are triaged - and seen in order of urgency.

Patients are asked NOT to attend hospital ER rooms for "non-emergency" cases that could be attended to by a GP

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Reply #40 - Dec 8^th, 2022 at 9:09pm

Carl D wrote on Dec 8^th, 2022 at 6:41pm:

I remember posting about this last month.

https://mobile.twitter.com/amapresident/status/1600697775200473088

Professor Steve Robson MPH MD PhD.

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This was always a safe bet...

Yes, it was. Sadly.

yep , staff shortages indeed.

nurses exhausted from looking after the obese and the demented who attack them are going to jump at the chance to have 7 days paid leave if they can get a positive RAT.

in fact, some nurses who work with my trooper of a wife are up to their 4th covid attack (apparently) and their 4th week of fully paid covid leave.

proud that my girl has not taken one day off for covid but when people are exhausted from looking after the obese and the demented (not covid patients) they are going to jump at the opportunity to get out of there.

heres something else to consider carl.

kospitals are run by bean counters.

when the budget is blown on PPE and having nurses out the front doing RAT's on everyone, they have to cut costs.

and guess what that means

reduced staffing

they blow all their money on covid and then reduce nursing levels so they come in on budget.

my wifes ward is getting a positive airflow room for covid patients Roll Eyes

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it is costing a bomb.

what the smack for?
covid is everywhere anyway.

but the tradesmen are there smashing down the walls, making the demented pateints crazy and the management have reduced nursing levels to try to come in on budget.

not a good way to spend your health dollar.

heres another gem for you.

because the system is broke, when my missus is in charge of the ward, she is not allowed to get in agency staff (casuals) without calling the hospital manager first.

and that hospital manager (a bean counter) has the say on whether they can have an extra nurse when people call in sick.

and that bean counter gets an extra 2 hours overtime (about 300 bucks) FOR MAKING THE DECISION.

thats correct, check with qld health.
they pay some bureacrat 300 bucks to decide (usually in the negative) that they cant call in an agency nurse because they had to "disturb" him at 11 pm when 2 nurses dont turn up for the night shift and they are desperately short staffed.

the public and the bureaucracy have burnt the good will of most nurses (apart from my devoted missus),

but i think she should call it quits.

the system is totally rooted and the head of the AMA was never going to lose a bet saying there were going to be major problems.

but it aint covid pal, it is the entitlement of the public and the selfishness of the bureacrats who milk the health system for junkets with the latest makers of all the technology they blow their budget on whilst throwing every nurse under the bus

enjoy your failed system

you reap what you sew

you are familair with this i hope Roll Eyes

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Reply #41 - Dec 10^th, 2022 at 10:23am

Sophia wrote on Dec 8^th, 2022 at 9:42am:

The flu/common cold just magically disappeared !

In a manner of speaking, YES !

The precautions that slowed the spread of the common cold - as well as seasonal influenza - to slow the spread of COVID19, such as 'obsessive' handwashing, social distancing and mask wearing - have taken quite a hit in the last 'flu' seasons.
Health and medical authorities have commented it's almost like it (the flu season) never existed.

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Reply #42 - Dec 10^th, 2022 at 10:38am

buzzanddidj wrote on Dec 10^th, 2022 at 10:23am:

Sophia wrote on Dec 8^th, 2022 at 9:42am:

The flu/common cold just magically disappeared !

In a manner of speaking, YES !

The precautions that slowed the spread of the common cold - as well as seasonal influenza - to slow the spread of COVID19, such as 'obsessive' handwashing, social distancing and mask wearing - have taken quite a hit in the last 'flu' seasons.
Health and medical authorities have commented it's almost like it (the flu season) never existed.

I was quite amazed how much of a bubble we all lived in that time of masks, no hugs, no visitors, no socializing, and obsessive santiziing.
For 2 years me… who always got a flu or cold… every year… got none… and then… after all that being careful and distant…I got covid and it hit me like a ton of bricks!

And seems a lot of sicknesses in recent times with hospitals inundated….after that 2 year bubble…. is the result… of having wrapped us in cotton wool.

So it was all for nothing… 2 years of lockdowns….because COVID was still waiting to get us when we thought it was safe to come out and play again.
Whether one is vaxxed or unvaxxed.

Since I had delta/omicron in January… I’ve not had any normal flu or cold since all year! Im a little stunned by that… but then again… by March I started taking HCQ for RA so I think that may have warded off the normal flu.
So my question is… has anyone had the normal flu or colds this year?
Or is it still awol?

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