lee wrote on Nov 13^th, 2022 at 5:24pm:


Your pro-fossil views are among a small minority, and a barrier to progress toward clean abundant cheap renewable energy. 

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you seem to have a problem with old concepts utilizing  new technology...

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OK, so my 2nd link sorted you out.

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"According to some present at the meeting, the Exxon team delivered an ultimatum. Unless "every molecule of gas" was available for export, they would walk away from the Gorgon project, in which they held a one-third share."

IOW, Carpenter gave those vicious, self-interested fossil thugs the middle finger....

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Blind self-interested  ideologues like you are incapable of telling truth from lies.

Hence your insane comment above, yet on reflection, Carpenter COULD have 'nationalized' WA's resources...

lee wrote on Nov 14^th, 2022 at 2:59pm:


Typical conservative, not capable of reading nuance into the meaning, and insisting on reading the law by the letter. 

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Bigger requires new technology

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see.....incapable of any insight into the vicious, instinctive greed of neoliberalism - and the demands of fossil price-gougers to maximize their own profits at the expense of consumers. 

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As noted above, you lack any insight into your greed-based neoliberalism,  and its attack on the well-being of others.

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Continuing to display your ignorant and vicious nature ( (even if unconscious and instinctive, which is no excuse). At this point you ran away last time you were confronted with your evil nature. You have a chance to exonerate yourself now.   

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There you go again, you vicious conservative, hung up on 'letter to the law' stuff.

Guess what: conservative SA premier Playford nationalized the Adelaide Electricity Company in the 1950s, when that private company refused to utilize SA's cheap brown coal reserves, so they could maintain their profits on more expensive imported coal. The ALP loved Playford, they called him the state's "best socialist"....

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by your vicious neoliberal ideology, yes.....and this coming from you ...who ran away when confronted with facing the basis of your evil ideology.

Frank wrote on Nov 14^th, 2022 at 8:18pm:


Yet we must get rid of the poisonous fossil industry - a diminishing resource, better sooner than later. 

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Er...lack of a functional international rules-based system has something to do with that; without the Ukraine war, emissions would have continued on their downward trend (even if too slowly...)

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The postulated AGW-CO2 emergency?

Even so, the sooner we exit fossils the better.







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lee wrote on Nov 14^th, 2022 at 8:50pm:


not special, but nuanced: your simplistic black and white conservative world view renders you blind

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Materials technology used in electric motors - and windmills.... is new and continually advancing


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...said the ideologically-blinded man, a pathetic spectacle to behold.

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Your ideological  viciousness  - even if unconscious -needs to be exposed.

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Neoliberalism is the ultimate form of vicious indifference to collective well-being.

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...in your view..BECAUSE you are ideologically blinded.

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oh dear..are you autistic as well as ideologically blind and evil:

(quick google)

In 1946 Premier Playford effectively nationalised the Adelaide Electricity Supply Company by forming the Electricity Trust of South Australia (ETSA) as South Australia's public electricity supply company, and took over the assets and the operations of the AESC

lee wrote on Nov 15^th, 2022 at 11:51am:


Wrong;  you don't accept any description of a 'foundation', because you are among those very same greedy neoliberal ideologues  who are responsible for destroying collective well-being in the world.

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See.... case closed, you greedy neoliberal ideologue -  totally unaware of the egregious - and vicious -  effects of instinctive greed. 

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And "someone" else wrote this:

https://www.afr.com/companies/energy/victoria-to-bring-back-state-ownership-of-e...

‘Shocked’: Andrews nationalises electricity

Angela Macdonald-Smith, Patrick Durkin and Colin Packham
Oct 20, 2022 – 11.12am

Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews’ plan to “bring back” the government-owned State Electricity Commission to reverse the decades-long privatisation of Australia’s energy market will chill private investment and hurt ordinary investors and workers, the CEOs of Woodside Energy, Alinta Energy and Australian Energy Council warn.

So even the neoliberal fossil turds responsible for this article accept a 'common usage' of the term nationalization.   

lee wrote on Nov 15^th, 2022 at 2:27pm:


The evidence is gleaned from the effects (like 'dark matter'), namely,   the egregious - and vicious -  effects of instinctive greed in tandem with the ego.

Hence Ed Husic's "glut of greed" comment.

The private sector is based on this individual greed.

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Er....careful while throwing stones: that article was written by THREE neoliberal turds (that's a fact..)

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Four journalists disagree with you, not a matter of science but common usage. 

I wonder if Stanley Johnson has inadvertently blurted out a #NetZero future reality:

'If that means, actually, some of us are told, well you can't go on a plane, that's fine. That's part of the national plan.' via
@GBNews

https://mobile.twitter.com/CarterCarter/status/1591496186049036301


Schwab and the World Economic Forum

The World Economic Forum (WEF) is an international non-governmental and lobbying organisation[1] based in Cologny, canton of Geneva, Switzerland. It was founded on 24 January 1971 by German engineer and economist Klaus Schwab. The foundation, which is mostly funded by its 1,000 member companies – typically global enterprises with more than five billion US dollars in turnover – as well as public subsidies, views its own mission as "improving the state of the world by engaging business, political, academic, and other leaders of society to shape global, regional, and industry agendas"

Membership
The foundation is funded by its 1,000 member companies, typically global enterprises with more than five billion dollars in turnover (varying by industry and region). These enterprises rank among the top companies within their industry and/or country and play a leading role in shaping the future of their industry and/or region. Membership is stratified by the level of engagement with forum activities, with the level of membership fees increasing as participation in meetings, projects, and initiatives rises.[49] In 2011, an annual membership cost $52,000 for an individual member, $263,000 for "Industry Partner" and $527,000 for "Strategic Partner". An admission fee costs $19,000 per person.[50] In 2014, WEF raised annual fees by 20 percent, bringing the cost for "Strategic Partner" from CHF 500,000 ($523,000) to CHF 600,000 ($628,000).[51]



The Great Reset
Main article: The Great Reset
In May 2020, the WEF and the Prince of Wales's Sustainable Markets Initiative launched "The Great Reset" project, a five-point plan to enhance sustainable economic growth following the global recession caused by the COVID-19 pandemic lockdowns.[119] "The Great Reset" was to be the theme of WEF's Annual Meeting in August 2021.[120]

According to forum founder Schwab, the intention of the project is to reconsider the meaning of capitalism and capital. While not abandoning capitalism, he proposes to change and possibly move on from some aspects of it, including neoliberalism and free-market fundamentalism. The role of corporations, taxation and more should be reconsidered. International cooperation and trade should be defended and the Fourth Industrial Revolution also.[121][122]

The forum defines the system that it wants to create as "Stakeholder Capitalism". The forum support Trade unions.

Undemocratic decision making
According to the European Parliament's think tank, critics see the WEF as an instrument for political and business leaders to "take decisions without having to account to their electorate or shareholders".[148]

Since 2009, the WEF has been working on a project called the Global Redesign Initiative (GRI), which proposes a transition away from intergovernmental decision-making towards a system of multi-stakeholder governance. According to the Transnational Institute (TNI), the Forum is hence planning to replace a recognised democratic model with a model where a self-selected group of "stakeholders" make decisions on behalf of the people.[149]

Some critics have seen the WEFs attention to goals like environmental protection and social entrepreneurship as mere window dressing to disguise its true plutocratic nature and goals.[150] In a Guardian opinion piece, Cas Mudde said that such plutocrats should not be the group to have control over the political agendas and decide which issues to focus on and how to support them.[151] A writer in the German magazine Cicero saw the situation as academic, cultural, media and economic elites grasping for social power while disregarding political decision processes. A materially well-endowed milieu would in this context try to "cement its dominance of opinion and sedate ordinary people with maternalistic-paternalistic social benefits, so that they are not disturbed by the common people when they steer".[152] The French Les Echos furthermore concludes that Davos "represents the exact values people rejected at the ballot box".[153]

Corporate capture of global and democratic institutions
The World Economic Forum's "Global Redesign" report suggests to create "public-private" United Nations (UN) in which selected agencies operate and steer global agendas under shared governance systems.[6] It says that a globalised world is probably best managed by a coalition of multinational corporations, governments and civil society organizations (CSOs),[6] which it expresses through initiatives like the "Great Reset"[7] and the "Global Redesign".[9]




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