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Finally A Budget That Delivers For Clean Energy (Read 3540 times)
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Reply #60 - Nov 10th, 2022 at 2:06pm
 
lee wrote on Nov 10th, 2022 at 12:36pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 10th, 2022 at 9:30am:
Nevertheless, the transition is awakening:

https://www.goodnewsnetwork.org/undersea-cable-to-funnel-3-gigawatts-of-solar-en...

Undersea Cable to Funnel 3 Gigawatts of Solar Energy From Egypt to Power Millions of European Households

To Funnel? It hasn't happened. So NO OBSERVATIONAL data. Roll Eyes



From another news outlet:

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https://www.africanews.com/2022/09/15/undersea-power-cable-to-connect-egypt-to-europe-via-greece//


Undersea power cable to connect Egypt to Europe via Greece

See how 'reading the law to the letter' conservatives make fools of themselves...
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Re: Finally A Budget That Delivers For Clean Energy
Reply #61 - Nov 10th, 2022 at 2:38pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 10th, 2022 at 2:06pm:
Undersea power cable to connect Egypt to Europe via Greece



Still no OBSERVATIONAL data. Roll Eyes
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Re: Finally A Budget That Delivers For Clean Energy
Reply #62 - Nov 10th, 2022 at 3:21pm
 
lee wrote on Nov 10th, 2022 at 2:38pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 10th, 2022 at 2:06pm:
Undersea power cable to connect Egypt to Europe via Greece



Still no OBSERVATIONAL data. Roll Eyes


Er ...observational data (losses, efficiency, emissions reduced, savings in electricity bills, etc) will be made AFTER the project is complete.

And then such projects will multiply like wild-fire (excuse the metaphor).....
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Reply #63 - Nov 10th, 2022 at 4:19pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 10th, 2022 at 3:21pm:
Er ...observational data (losses, efficiency, emissions reduced, savings in electricity bills, etc) will be made AFTER the project is complete.


Yeah. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 10th, 2022 at 3:21pm:
And then such projects will multiply like wild-fire (excuse the metaphor).....



Only IF it is a success. Roll Eyes
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Reply #64 - Nov 10th, 2022 at 4:30pm
 
lee wrote on Nov 10th, 2022 at 4:19pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 10th, 2022 at 3:21pm:
Er ...observational data (losses, efficiency, emissions reduced, savings in electricity bills, etc) will be made AFTER the project is complete.


Yeah. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 10th, 2022 at 3:21pm:
And then such projects will multiply like wild-fire (excuse the metaphor).....



Only IF it is a success. Roll Eyes


Er...solar panels produce electricity and cables transmit it...have patience, doubting thomas....
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Reply #65 - Nov 10th, 2022 at 4:58pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 10th, 2022 at 4:30pm:
Er...solar panels produce electricity and cables transmit it..



Both have losses. And you never explained how the desert solar panels got cleaned. Apart from putting them up in the air. Grin Grin Grin Grin

"According to NOAA’s Hurricane Research Division, every three to five days from late spring through early fall, a mass of dusty air known as the Saharan Air Layer (SAL) forms over the Sahara Desert and moves westward across the tropical North Atlantic. The SAL, which extends about 5,000 to 20,000 feet into the atmosphere, can be transported several thousand miles, reaching as far as the Caribbean, Florida, and the U.S. Gulf Coast when winds are particularly strong."

https://www.nesdis.noaa.gov/news/noaa-satellite-tracking-dust-and-sand-being-blo...
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Reply #66 - Nov 10th, 2022 at 5:07pm
 
lee wrote on Nov 10th, 2022 at 4:58pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 10th, 2022 at 4:30pm:
Er...solar panels produce electricity and cables transmit it..



Both have losses. And you never explained how the desert solar panels got cleaned. Apart from putting them up in the air. Grin Grin Grin Grin

"According to NOAA’s Hurricane Research Division, every three to five days from late spring through early fall, a mass of dusty air known as the Saharan Air Layer (SAL) forms over the Sahara Desert and moves westward across the tropical North Atlantic. The SAL, which extends about 5,000 to 20,000 feet into the atmosphere, can be transported several thousand miles, reaching as far as the Caribbean, Florida, and the U.S. Gulf Coast when winds are particularly strong."

https://www.nesdis.noaa.gov/news/noaa-satellite-tracking-dust-and-sand-being-blo...
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So we better provide wind breaks - an engineering problem to be solved. And revegetation where possible via desalination; nuclear would come in handy for that.
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Reply #67 - Nov 10th, 2022 at 6:09pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 10th, 2022 at 5:07pm:
So we better provide wind breaks - an engineering problem to be solved.


You are too funny. Sands that can carry thousands of miles and a windbreak will suffice? Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

Not every problem has an engineering solution.

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Reply #68 - Nov 11th, 2022 at 2:31pm
 
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/world/more-than-50-poor-countries-in-danger-of-ba...

More than 50 poor countries in danger of bankruptcy ’ amid economic climate crises.

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Reply #69 - Nov 11th, 2022 at 3:07pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 11th, 2022 at 2:31pm:
More than 50 poor countries in danger of bankruptcy ’ amid economic climate crises.



And yet you can't point to one climate crises. Roll Eyes
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Reply #70 - Nov 11th, 2022 at 3:48pm
 
lee wrote on Nov 11th, 2022 at 3:07pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 11th, 2022 at 2:31pm:
More than 50 poor countries in danger of bankruptcy ’ amid economic climate crises.



And yet you can't point to one climate crises. Roll Eyes



Global cooling, global warming, climate change - and now 'climate crisis'.  The continuing, neverending crisis. Whatever happens - climate crisis covers all and every event. 

But fear not, the chappies from government and government-funded experts are here to help...  phew!!!

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Reply #71 - Nov 11th, 2022 at 4:12pm
 
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‘World leaders and delegates jetting into Egypt for the Cop 27 climate conference will be able to dine out on £90 mushroom sauce covered beef medallions – and sip on fancy bottomless cocktails – while facing calls to cut down on meat consumption to save the planet. Those with a taste for the luxurious can snap up an Angus beef medallion with sautéed potatoes… after scoffing back a £43 seafood platter for starter.’

No wonder all the greatest and most powerful leaders of the climate cult are descending from far-flung cities, flying in by Lear Jet or luxury gas-guzzling yacht to lecture the rest of the world on how we should eat bugs and insects in order to reduce our emissions. Indeed, our Climate Change Minister has bravely gone to Egypt this week in search of riches beyond his wildest dreams. Mr Bowen, now known as the Nefertiti of Net Zero, the Ramses of Renewables, or the King Tut-tut of the nanny state, has returned Mummy-like from his dead career as a Rudd minister to plunder the hidden treasures of endless government renewables subsidies in order to save the planet. The poor old humble Aussie taxpayer will be defiled and desecrated and dragged into an afterlife of perpetual impoverishment.

Already the Australian delegation has insisted that the controversial issue of ‘loss and damage’ be added at the last minute to the agenda of the Sharm el-Sheikh conference as a gesture of solidarity for Pacific countries. Which translated means: Aussie taxpayers are going to hand over a king’s ransom to any lucky Pacific leader who sticks his hand out because apparently we ghastly Australians are to blame for their islands sinking under the waves even though, er, plenty of them are actually increasing in size as even the ABC admits.
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The eco-warriors are demanding that the United Kingdom pays up to £1 trillion in damages to the rest of the world for her role in ‘creating climate change’. You know, by inventing all the modern equipment, transportation, drugs, manufacturing, goods and products that have created the modern prosperity, good health and civilisation that we all enjoy.

That is Great Britain’s curse – to have been at the forefront of industrialisation, technological progress, innovation, and mainly peaceful colonisation that shared the just laws and moral values of the Enlightenment around the world in an era, today, where the past is denigrated and despised in favour of pagan earth-worship, superstition and cultural and racial guilt-trips. Indeed, British Prime Minister Rishi Sunak is already proposing ‘climate reparations’ to poorer countries like Pakistan.

The curse of Australia is to have fellow-traveller and climate carpet-bagger Chris ‘Blackouts’ Bowen as our Climate Change Minister at a time when we desperately need to be increasing our energy supplies and fossil fuel and uranium resources but instead are concentrating on madcap schemes like pushing water uphill and green hydrogen hubs.
https://www.spectator.com.au/2022/11/the-dummy/
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Reply #72 - Nov 11th, 2022 at 8:29pm
 
Frank wrote on Nov 11th, 2022 at 3:48pm:
lee wrote on Nov 11th, 2022 at 3:07pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 11th, 2022 at 2:31pm:
More than 50 poor countries in danger of bankruptcy ’ amid economic climate crises.



And yet you can't point to one climate crises. Roll Eyes



Global cooling, global warming, climate change - and now 'climate crisis'.  The continuing, neverending crisis. Whatever happens - climate crisis covers all and every event. 

But fear not, the chappies from government and government-funded experts are here to help...  phew!!!



Well.... people are demanding govt.-based insurance, as the private sector can't pay up for the increasing number of weather (aka climate) catastrophes.
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Reply #73 - Nov 11th, 2022 at 9:06pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 11th, 2022 at 8:29pm:
Well.... people are demanding govt.-based insurance, as the private sector can't pay up for the increasing number of weather (aka climate) catastrophes.


So which insurance companies have gone broke in Australia, in the last 5 years? Roll Eyes
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Reply #74 - Nov 13th, 2022 at 9:15am
 
This week I was chatting to one business owner and, like most in the neighbourhood, his is a family affair. They pay just shy of $50k annually in power bills. They’ve been told to expect that to double next year. Yep. From $50k to $100k in a year.

This is a scandal. There’s no other word for it. And the awful reality is, small businesses in neighbourhoods like mine, all across Australia, will be hit with this body blow. It will land on families that can absorb it, albeit resentfully, and those for whom it means they won’t eat some nights. Homes, families, neighbours and businesses like yours and mine.

Australia is hostage to this energy crisis by its own hand, and the drama is playing out in a crowded echo chamber, where fear-driven absolutism reigns. Where middle ground is not allowed in discussion, let alone policy development. Where ideology trumps intellect and to hell with the consequences. Where cautioning against a reckless rush towards over-reliance on renewables gets you shunned as an unbeliever, a "denier".
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Anthony Albanese swore on the ballot box that our household power bills would fall by more than $250 per household per year. What’s worse? Knowing it was a lie or not realising it was never going to be possible?

Which brings us to the here and now. A fraught environment in which the loudest voices outside of government pushing the green dream are elites who, from Australia’s largest homes, private planes, islands and yachts, lecture to the rest of us with an “okay proletariat, line up for your soup” kind of vibe. In a cute but not unexpected plot twist, their individual carbon footprints are the largest in the country, according to international aid agency Oxfam. Meanwhile, everyone else braces themselves for what’s to come.

In the same week federal MP for Curtin Kate Chaney suggested a resources super-profits tax would “help Australia’s most vulnerable”. What an odd concept. Let’s further take a bat to one of the only reliable, affordable energy sources, which will drive prices higher still, which in turn will hit lowest income earners the hardest, so we can – wait for it – help the most vulnerable. You’d be hard-pressed to make this stuff up on a bad day. This is what you get when the conversation is half-baked and full of half-truths.

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Policy absolutists are just as bad as the Christian who takes one verse from the Bible and makes a doctrine out of it. In this case, it’s the doctrine of renewables-at-all-costs that is the threat. Heaven help us all.
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