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Reply #105 - Nov 20th, 2022 at 12:08pm
 
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Reply #106 - Nov 20th, 2022 at 1:13pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 20th, 2022 at 12:02pm:
Er...unending wars  and entrenched poverty....caused by vicious greed of porer brokers


And it has always been thus. Still  no vicious attacks on your fanboi Alan. Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 20th, 2022 at 12:02pm:
.see, displaying your 'black and white' thinking again;
we have moved on from soviet central planning, to adapting/utilizing human nature  (greed/self-interest) to impel private sector development, managed by the public sector to ensure fair allocation of necessities.


No we haven't. We will always have those who think they are "elite" and the rules do not apply to them. They usually end up as dictators. Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 20th, 2022 at 12:02pm:
Btw , in the bunfight  over funding for climate change damage, COP27 are at last - and for the first time -  bringing the IMF and World Bank into the discussion....


Ah yes. COP27 again. Where the world elites saying we should eschew meat and eat bugs, stop eating seafood because we are killing the oceans.. But they provided Succulent rare roast beef and seafood at their $1225 a plate dinner. And flew in on private jets. That's because they are "elites" and the rules don't apply to them. Roll Eyes

"World leaders and officials attending the United Nations COP27 climate conference can spend up to $100 per entree to eat red meat, seafood and other gourmet menu items. However, the UN has previously discouraged red meat consumption due to the carbon emissions that beef farming creates."

https://dailycaller.com/2022/11/16/un-climate-summit-lavish-vip-menu/?pnespid=sb...

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 20th, 2022 at 12:02pm:
So says  the 'letter to the law' conservative.


So you don't believe in the "rule of law"? Maybe that explains why ytou believe in the "rule of elites". Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 20th, 2022 at 12:02pm:
So Andrews plans to transfer the SEC back to the public sector.


We shall wait with bated breath on whether he attempts or whether he succeeds. Roll Eyes

With all that CO2 going into the air what has happened since Jan 2016?

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Damn. Wink
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Re: Finally A Budget That Delivers For Clean Energy
Reply #107 - Nov 20th, 2022 at 2:05pm
 
lee wrote on Nov 20th, 2022 at 1:13pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 20th, 2022 at 12:02pm:
Er...unending wars  and entrenched poverty....caused by vicious greed of power brokers


And it has always been thus. Still  no vicious attacks on your fanboi Alan. Roll Eyes


Chevron are the power-brokers; exercising vicious greed because they can; in this instance Carpenter stood his ground, but Chevron are still filthy poisonous fossil price gougers (vicious by definition), possibly destroying the planet's climate as well.   

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No we haven't. We will always have those who think they are "elite" and the rules do not apply to them. They usually end up as dictators. Roll Eyes


The expose' of the evil 'natural rate of unemployment' mainstream neoliberal economists'  dogma is proceeding apace, "always" is merely a reflection of your conservatism.

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Ah yes. COP27 again. Where the world elites saying we should eschew meat and eat bugs, stop eating seafood because we are killing the oceans.. But they provided Succulent rare roast beef and seafood at their $1225 a plate dinner. And flew in on private jets. That's because they are "elites" and the rules don't apply to them. Roll Eyes


Currently; but they are apparently looking at the implications of zero emissions, and facing the policy changes needed...not surpringly,  the World Bank has come into view...

Technology will solve air travel emissions; and we should be eating MUCH less meat and processed junk-food. 

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"World leaders and officials attending the United Nations COP27 climate conference can spend up to $100 per entree to eat red meat, seafood and other gourmet menu items. However, the UN has previously discouraged red meat consumption due to the carbon emissions that beef farming creates."

No doubt some of them are vegetarians...

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So you don't believe in the "rule of law"? Maybe that explains why ytou believe in the "rule of elites". Roll Eyes


er.. poor conservative brain; 'nationalize' versus 'public sector management' (same thing) has nothing to do with rule of law, and the tendency of conservatives to read the law to the letter. (eg, in a nation's  constitution)

You proved my point; you insist on reading your own meaning of "nationalize' into the debate, despite 4 journalists and countless others who differ from your reading.   

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We shall wait with bated breath on whether he attempts or whether he succeeds. Roll Eyes
 

Yes; ...and you blithely ignore my point, he intends to natio..oh,  never mind.

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With all that CO2 going into the air what has happened since Jan 2016?


You tell us...

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Damn. Wink


More disagreement among the experts?
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Re: Finally A Budget That Delivers For Clean Energy
Reply #108 - Nov 20th, 2022 at 8:11pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 20th, 2022 at 2:05pm:
Chevron are the power-brokers; exercising vicious greed because they can; in this instance Carpenter stood his ground, but Chevron are still filthy poisonous fossil price gougers (vicious by definition), possibly destroying the planet's climate as well.   



And no vicious attacks. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 20th, 2022 at 2:05pm:
The expose' of the evil 'natural rate of unemployment' mainstream neoliberal economists'  dogma is proceeding apace, "always" is merely a reflection of your conservatism.


And not your view of the world? I can live with that. Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 20th, 2022 at 2:05pm:
Currently; but they are apparently looking at the implications of zero emissions, and facing the policy changes needed...not surpringly,  the World Bank has come into view...


Not looking at their own merely everyone else's. Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 20th, 2022 at 2:05pm:
Technology will solve air travel emissions; and we should be eating MUCH less meat and processed junk-food.


Nope. Technology relies on the most energy dense substance. And that is not batteries. Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 20th, 2022 at 2:05pm:
No doubt some of them are vegetarians...

Are they? Which ones? Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 20th, 2022 at 2:05pm:
You proved my point; you insist on reading your own meaning of "nationalize' into the debate, despite 4 journalists and countless others who differ from your reading.   


So now you support "journalists" who don't know the English language. Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 20th, 2022 at 2:05pm:
Yes; ...and you blithely ignore my point, he intends to natio..oh,  never mind.



I didn't ignore it. "There is many a slip twixt cup and lip". or perhaps "the road to hell is paved with good intentions". Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 20th, 2022 at 2:05pm:
You tell us...


I showed you.

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 20th, 2022 at 2:05pm:
More disagreement among the experts?



With which experts do they disagree? Roll Eyes
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Reply #109 - Nov 21st, 2022 at 1:32pm
 
lee wrote on Nov 20th, 2022 at 8:11pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 20th, 2022 at 2:05pm:
Chevron are the power-brokers; exercising vicious greed because they can; in this instance Carpenter stood his ground, but Chevron are still filthy poisonous fossil price gougers (vicious by definition), possibly destroying the planet's climate as well.   



And no vicious attacks. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin


You are complicit in unending wars and life-destroying poverty -  viciousness itself - because your world view makes you so. 

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And not your view of the world? I can live with that. Roll Eyes


Of course you can, you vicious a**hole. But like I said, the mainstream is waking up.

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Not looking at their own merely everyone else's. Roll Eyes


Naturally, politicians in the pockets of vicious "me first" ideologues.

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Nope. Technology relies on the most energy dense substance. And that is not batteries. Roll Eyes


Meaningless drivel.

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Are they? Which ones? Roll Eyes


The enlightened ones...

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So now you support "journalists" who don't know the English language. Roll Eyes


See the absurdities to which you are sinking....

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I didn't ignore it. "There is many a slip twixt cup and lip". or perhaps "the road to hell is paved with good intentions". Roll Eyes


We were discussing common usage of nationalization, not "intentions".

Your comprehension and relevance to the debate .... zero.

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I showed you.
With which experts do they disagree? Roll Eyes


The ones noting highest ever temps this year in China,
(quick google)

The summer of 2022 was the hottest on record for Europe and China, the second-hottest for North America and Asia, and the fifth-hottest June-to-August period for planet Earth since record-keeping began in 1880, NOAA's National Centers for Environmental Information (NCEI) reported September 14.14 Sept 2022

and that Oz temps are rising , not falling.

https://www.worlddata.info/global-warming.php

The graph for Oz (190-2020) shows warming, not cooling. The graphs for other continents show cooling in the last three years, except "Oceania" which shows temps continue to rise rapidly.
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Re: Finally A Budget That Delivers For Clean Energy
Reply #110 - Nov 21st, 2022 at 3:21pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 21st, 2022 at 1:32pm:
You are complicit in unending wars and life-destroying poverty -  viciousness itself - because your world view makes you so. 


So tell us more about the vicious attacks on your fanboi Alan. You keep trying to sidetrack. Why is that Gweggy? Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 21st, 2022 at 1:32pm:
Of course you can, you vicious a**hole. But like I said, the mainstream is waking up.


Seeing as you have never met me you come across as more than slightly unhinged. Roll Eyes

.thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 21st, 2022 at 1:32pm:
Naturally, politicians in the pockets of vicious "me first" ideologues.


All politicians then . Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 21st, 2022 at 1:32pm:
Meaningless drivel.


No That is your lack of science. It is not meaningless. Fossil fuels have a greater  energy density than wind or solar. Wind turbines have to be set a distance apart to prevent them being in the "wind shadow" of the ones near it. Solar have a large footprint so they are not energy dense either. Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 21st, 2022 at 1:32pm:
The enlightened ones...


So you can't name any of these "enlightened ones"? Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

.thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 21st, 2022 at 1:32pm:
See the absurdities to which you are sinking....


It is you don't have a good grasp of English. Rather like Humpty Dumpty 'When I use a word,’ Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, ‘it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.’ Grin Grin Grin Grin

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 21st, 2022 at 1:32pm:
We were discussing common usage of nationalization, not "intentions".


But it is Dan the Man's intentions not what he has achieved. So far he has achieved nothing. So all he has are "intentions". Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 21st, 2022 at 1:32pm:
Your comprehension and relevance to the debate .... zero.


Never mind Gweggy. We know you are in your dotage. Grin Grin Grin

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 21st, 2022 at 1:32pm:
The ones noting highest ever temps this year in China,



So not GLOBAL warming then. Roll Eyes

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"Data without guarantee © WorldData.info, all rights reserved"
https://www.worlddata.info/about.php

So not HadCRUt then? NO satellite transponder info either. Just where did they get their data? Wiki?  And the data is guaranteed. Oh dear.Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

Only land based temperatures and I showed you the errors in BoM. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 21st, 2022 at 1:32pm:
The graph for Oz (190-2020) shows warming, not cooling. The graphs for other continents show cooling in the last three years, except "Oceania" which shows temps continue to rise rapidly.


Yes Only land based not Land and Ocean. You do know about the Ocean don't you? Especially that really big body of water South of the Equator. Wink

You do know about the lack of data in the Southern Hemisphere in the 19th and early 20th century.

It moved Phil Jones, CRU, to say the normals in the South are mostly made up. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

You are a one trick pony and you keep stumbling with your one trick. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

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Reply #111 - Nov 21st, 2022 at 4:07pm
 
lee wrote on Nov 21st, 2022 at 3:21pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 21st, 2022 at 1:32pm:
You are complicit in unending wars and life-destroying poverty -  viciousness itself - because your world view makes you so. 


So tell us more about the vicious attacks on your fanboi Alan. You keep trying to sidetrack. Why is that Gweggy? Roll Eyes



Oh..I concede; Carpenter was treated well....

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Seeing as you have never met me you come across as more than slightly unhinged. Roll Eyes


I don't need to meet you, your mind reveals all its vicious RW self-interest....

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All politicians then . Roll Eyes


Not all.

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No That is your lack of science. It is not meaningless. Fossil fuels have a greater  energy density than wind or solar. Wind turbines have to be set a distance apart to prevent them being in the "wind shadow" of the ones near it. Solar have a large footprint so they are not energy dense either. Roll Eyes


Irrelevant for harnessing 100% renewables.

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So you can't name any of these "enlightened ones"? Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin


Didn't you know - vegetarianism is increasing rapidly, any gathering is likely to feature some.


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‘it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.’ Grin Grin Grin Grin


letter to the law stuff again.

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But it is Dan the Man's intentions..
that's right he intends to "nationa..oh never mind

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Never mind Gweggy. We know you are in your dotage. Grin Grin Grin


of dear ...mirror time , you think I mentioned Dan to applaud him for his intended nationalization of the SEC... (I do applaud him for that plan, but that's not WHY I mentioned him..you have obviously forgotten WHY I mentioned it...talk about dotage

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So not GLOBAL warming then. Roll Eyes

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"Data without guarantee © WorldData.info, all rights reserved"
https://www.worlddata.info/about.php

So not HadCRUt then? NO satellite transponder info either. Just where did they get their data? Wiki?  And the data is guaranteed. Oh dear.Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

Only land based temperatures and I showed you the errors in BoM. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 21st, 2022 at 1:32pm:
The graph for Oz (190-2020) shows warming, not cooling. The graphs for other continents show cooling in the last three years, except "Oceania" which shows temps continue to rise rapidly.


Yes Only land based not Land and Ocean. You do know about the Ocean don't you? Especially that really big body of water South of the Equator. Wink

You do know about the lack of data in the Southern Hemisphere in the 19th and early 20th century.

It moved Phil Jones, CRU, to say the normals in the South are mostly made up. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin


Take it up with the experts, many of whom disagree with you, as I said. 


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You are a one trick pony and you keep stumbling with your one trick. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin


There IS only 'one trick', to rid the world of the filthy, poisonous, fossil price gougers.

Meanwhile it's you who is disagreeing with the UN's climate expert opinion.   

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Reply #112 - Nov 21st, 2022 at 5:11pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 21st, 2022 at 4:07pm:
Oh..I concede; Carpenter was treated well....


It took your lies a long time to catch up. Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 21st, 2022 at 4:07pm:
I don't need to meet you, your mind reveals all its vicious RW self-interest....


Nope. That's another fallacy of yours. The fallacious TGD. Grin Grin Grin Grin

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 21st, 2022 at 4:07pm:
Not all.


And yet you can't cite any, why is that? Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 21st, 2022 at 4:07pm:
Irrelevant for harnessing 100% renewables.


Nope. It is indeed relevant. That's what your lack of science does. It leads you down rabbit holes where you lose your way. Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 21st, 2022 at 4:07pm:
Didn't you know - vegetarianism is increasing rapidly, any gathering is likely to feature some.


So the UN idea of eating bugs is out then. Except they don't believe it for themselves.Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 21st, 2022 at 4:07pm:
letter to the law stuff again.


Nope. "letter OF the law stuff". So you don't want laws to be followed. What exactly do you want? A free-for all?Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 21st, 2022 at 4:07pm:


So as I said -

lee wrote on Nov 20th, 2022 at 8:11pm:
"There is many a slip twixt cup and lip". or perhaps "the road to hell is paved with good intentions".

Wink

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 21st, 2022 at 4:07pm:
of dear ...mirror time , you think I mentioned Dan to applaud him for his intended nationalization of the SEC... (I do applaud him for that plan, but that's not WHY I mentioned him..you have obviously forgotten WHY I mentioned it...talk about dotage


Oh you had a reason for mentioning him? Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 21st, 2022 at 4:07pm:
Take it up with the experts, many of whom disagree with you, as I said.


And yet you can't cite anyone other than worldinfo which clearly says -


"lee wrote on Nov 21st, 2022 at 3:21pm:
"Data without guarantee © WorldData.info, all rights reserved"


And we should accept that?. Oh dear. Grin Grin Grin Grin

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 21st, 2022 at 4:07pm:
There IS only 'one trick', to rid the world of the filthy, poisonous, fossil price gougers.


And replace it with the new green Utopian price gougers. Grin Grin Grin Grin

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 21st, 2022 at 4:07pm:
Meanwhile it's you who is disagreeing with the UN's climate expert opinion.   


But what is the UN expert opinion? The IPCC's? Which parts do you agree with?

"Floods - In summary there is low confidence in the human influence on the changes in high river flows on the global scale. Confidence is in general low in attributing changes in the probability or magnitude of flood events to human influence because of a limited number of studies and differences in the results of these studies, and large modelling uncertainties. "

IPCC  AR6 WG1 11.5.4   Roll Eyes

"Droughts - There is medium confidence in the ability of ESMs to simulate trends and anomalies in precipitation deficits and AED, and also medium confidence in the ability of ESMs and hydrological models to simulate trends and anomalies in soil moisture and streamflow deficits, on global and regional scales"

IPCC AR6 WG1 11.6.3.6   Roll Eyes

"The high-end scenarios RCP8.5 or SSP5-8.5 have recently been argued
to be implausible to unfold (e.g., Hausfather and Peters, 2020; see
Chapter 3 of the AR6 WGIII)."   Roll Eyes

IPCC AR6 WG1 4.2.2

Where

IPCC- is the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change

AR6 - is the newest report

WG1 - is The Physical Science Basis

And then the Chapters and paragraphs.

Let us know what you disagree with. Please. Wink
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Reply #113 - Nov 22nd, 2022 at 3:23pm
 
lee wrote on Nov 21st, 2022 at 5:11pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 21st, 2022 at 4:07pm:
Oh..I concede; Carpenter was treated well....


It took your lies a long time to catch up. Roll Eyes


Your crippled RW mind is based on lies and delusions, so the word 'vicious' is moot ...in your 'letter to the law' conservatism. Poverty and endless wars - product of your crippled RW mind plus NO insight - ARE vicious.

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Nope. It is indeed relevant. That's what your lack of science does. It leads you down rabbit holes where you lose your way. Roll Eyes


Crippled mind stuff; there is sufficient sunshine falling on the globe to power the globe many times over.

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So the UN idea of eating bugs is out then. Except they don't believe it for themselves.Roll Eyes


Bugs are optional....I won't be eating them. 

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Nope. "letter OF the law stuff". So you don't want laws to be followed. What exactly do you want? A free-for all?Roll Eyes


Already addressed. Your crippled conservative  mind insists on changing 'to' to 'of'...

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And replace it with the new green Utopian price gougers. Grin Grin Grin Grin


No; replace it with public-sector debt-free money-creators..from the World Bank down (incidentally mentioned by Bowen yesterday at COP27; he is catching on). 

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But what is the UN expert opinion? The IPCC's? Which parts do you agree with?


The consensus.... followed by all the world's nations who voluntarily turned up at COP27.....

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Let us know what you disagree with. Please. Wink


That's not my job. The IPCC has its consensus mouth- piece in the UN's General Secretary. I see no dispute from the IPCC re  Guterres' climate emergency proclamations.
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Reply #114 - Nov 22nd, 2022 at 4:03pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 22nd, 2022 at 3:23pm:
Crippled mind stuff; there is sufficient sunshine falling on the globe to power the globe many times over.


And yet not ONE country has achieved self-sufficiency. And that includes a radical Green Germany. Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 22nd, 2022 at 3:23pm:
Bugs are optional....I won't be eating them. 


But Meat is supposed to be bad. Methane even though cattle are a part of the carbon cycle. Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 22nd, 2022 at 3:23pm:
Your crippled conservative  mind insists on changing 'to' to 'of'...


Amazing your lack of English. Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 22nd, 2022 at 3:23pm:
No; replace it with public-sector debt-free money-creators..from the World Bank down (incidentally mentioned by Bowen yesterday at COP27; he is catching on). 


The World Bank is not a currency issuing nation. And Bowen doesn't know his a*se from his elbow. Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 22nd, 2022 at 3:23pm:
The consensus.... followed by all the world's nations who voluntarily turned up at COP27.....


So not the IPCC then. Merely politicians and sundry hangers on. Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 22nd, 2022 at 3:23pm:
That's not my job.


That's because you won't try but want to "believe". That's all AGW is a "belief system" Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 22nd, 2022 at 3:23pm:
The IPCC has its consensus mouth- piece in the UN's General Secretary. I see no dispute from the IPCC re  Guterres' climate emergency proclamations.


But what does he say about the Physical Science Basis? Nothing. Zip. Zero Nada. Just another unelected official. Roll Eyes

And you couldn't even try to refute the consensus position that I posted from the IPCC. You really are a waste of space. Roll Eyes
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Reply #115 - Nov 22nd, 2022 at 4:51pm
 
lee wrote on Nov 22nd, 2022 at 4:03pm:
And yet not ONE country has achieved self-sufficiency. And that includes a radical Green Germany. Roll Eyes


Time to stop trolling (assuming you aren't dementing), I have addressed this before...and Oz is well placed to be the first country to go 100% renewable.

[Warning: I won't address this point again. 

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But Meat is supposed to be bad. Methane even though cattle are a part of the carbon cycle. Roll Eyes


Those vast herds farmed for food are an environmental disaster, requiring 7 times as much land area  as plant-based food.   Have a word to Djokovic about a vegan diet. 

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Amazing your lack of English. Roll Eyes


see... you don't understand "letter to the law" (or "reading the law by the letter") because of your  conservative mind:

"The letter of the law and the spirit of the law are two possible ways to regard rules, or laws. To obey the letter of the law is to follow the literal reading of the words of the law, whereas following the spirit of the law means enacting the intent behind the law.

(Ah I see: you demanded 'of', not 'to'  . and then proceeded to claim I wanted to ignore the law, when in fact I want to obey the spirit of the law,,,, a different thing to ignoring  the law....

.as to'the spirit': eg nation-alization, whether state - or national -  or global...

Capice? ...can't 'see the forest for the trees? 

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The World Bank is not a currency issuing nation.


More 'letter, rather than the spirit, of the law' stuff; a currency-issuing nation is one with its own treasury and central bank; the World Bank could be reformed to act as the central bank of the UN (and a reformed  IMF could be the UN's treasury)

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And Bowen doesn't know his a*se from his elbow. Roll Eyes


.....I'm thinking you have a better opinion of eg, Peter Costello and Joe Hockey...

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So not the IPCC then. Merely politicians and sundry hangers on. Roll Eyes


more of your 'forest for the trees' stuff; the polies are following the IPCC consensus...even if conflicted by "who is going to pay"....

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That's because you won't try but want to "believe". That's all AGW is a "belief system" Roll Eyes


Not according to the IPC...oh never mind.

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But what does he say about the Physical Science Basis? Nothing. Zip. Zero Nada. Just another unelected official. Roll Eyes


As in my case -  re the IPCC consensus on AGW-CO2, it's not his job to study physical science.

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And you couldn't even try to refute the consensus position that I posted from the IPCC. You really are a waste of space. Roll Eyes


As noted above, not my job. Good luck arguing with the IPCC stance accepted by the UN.
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Reply #116 - Nov 22nd, 2022 at 5:45pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 22nd, 2022 at 4:51pm:
Time to stop trolling (assuming you aren't dementing), I have addressed this before...and Oz is well placed to be the first country to go 100% renewable.

[Warning: I won't address this point again. 
Poor you. It still remains a fact that there is NO country that has achieved energy independence from wind and solar. Roll Eyes

It won't go away simply because you don't want to address it.

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 22nd, 2022 at 4:51pm:
Those vast herds farmed for food are an environmental disaster, requiring 7 times as much land area  as plant-based food. 



And yet billions of buffalo roamed the US without causing anything catastrophic. Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 22nd, 2022 at 4:51pm:
see... you don't understand "letter to the law" (or "reading the law by the letter") because of your  conservative mind:

"The letter of the law and the spirit of the law are two possible ways to regard rules, or laws. To obey the letter of the law is to follow the literal reading of the words of the law, whereas following the spirit of the law means enacting the intent behind the law.



So you just proved again your lack of comprehension. There is no mention of "letter to the law". Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 22nd, 2022 at 4:51pm:
Ah I see: you demanded 'of', not 'to'  . and then proceeded to claim I wanted to ignore the law, when in fact I want to obey the spirit of the law,,,, a different thing to ignoring  the law....


But you were the one blathering of "letter to the law. I can't help your comprehension issues. Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 22nd, 2022 at 4:51pm:
as to'the spirit': eg nation-alization, whether state - or national -  or global...

Capice? ...can't 'see the forest for the trees?



This is the first time you have mentioned SPIRIT OF the law. So now you want to apply 21st century standards to 18th century Rule OF Law.  Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 22nd, 2022 at 4:51pm:
More 'letter, rather than the spirit, of the law' stuff; a currency-issuing nation is one with its own treasury and central bank; the World Bank could be reformed to act as the central bank of the UN (and a reformed  IMF could be the UN's treasury)


Ah the great "COULD". Politics at its best. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 22nd, 2022 at 4:51pm:
..I'm thinking you have a better opinion of eg, Peter Costello and Joe Hockey...


Nope. They were merely politicians. Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 22nd, 2022 at 4:51pm:
more of your 'forest for the trees' stuff; the polies are following the IPCC consensus...even if conflicted by "who is going to pay"....


And yet you can't even explain what this "consensus" consists of. I gave you a consensus view and you apparently disagree with it. Direct from the IPCC not from a politician who can't even repeat it correctly. Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 22nd, 2022 at 4:51pm:
Not according to the IPC...oh never mind.


So tell us what the IPCC actually says. In the Physical Science Basis, because it is the science you want to believe, isn't it? Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 22nd, 2022 at 4:51pm:
As in my case -  re the IPCC consensus on AGW-CO2, it's not his job to study physical science.


You can't even quote what the IPCC says. Why is that? Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 22nd, 2022 at 4:51pm:
As noted above, not my job.


No, It is only your job to believe. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 22nd, 2022 at 4:51pm:
Good luck arguing with the IPCC stance accepted by the UN.


Oops, you are deferring to politicians not scientists again. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #117 - Nov 22nd, 2022 at 6:34pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 22nd, 2022 at 3:23pm:
lee wrote on Nov 21st, 2022 at 5:11pm:
Let us know what you disagree with. Please. Wink


That's not my job. The IPCC has its consensus mouth- piece in the UN's General Secretary. I see no dispute from the IPCC re  Guterres' climate emergency proclamations.



Ah, the slavish toady has no argument with Dear Leader, only with people who question the Dear Leader - with anyone who is not a servile sycophantic parrot of the party line.

Because 'thinking for himself' would be an awful error against 'consensus', a thought-crime of 'freedom-ideology'.

Disgusting. Stupid. Shameless.
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