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Reply #15 - Oct 21^st, 2022 at 3:28pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 21^st, 2022 at 3:09pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 21^st, 2022 at 3:02pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 20^th, 2022 at 3:07pm:

lee wrote on Oct 20^th, 2022 at 2:51pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 20^th, 2022 at 12:47pm:

Not all the time: back-up gas can be turned on and off, if required.

There is a time delay to get it to temperature. Run it without getting it up to temperature increases wear therefore increases cost.

The cost of a flame to keep the plant warm enough to fire up?

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You will want the government to run it as well. Governments don't do anything efficiently. Roll Eyes

neoliberal propaganda

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Wow. No longer phasing it out just shut it. For the eastern states which have limited gas. What could possibly go wrong? Roll Eyes

ASAP means just that - ASAP. There is no "limited supply" of Oz gas: the greedy profit driven fossil companies are exporting most of it overseas.

That's why coal and gas need to be nationalized.

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And yet you can't even produce ONE country or state that has achieved this nirvana. Why is that? Roll Eyes

Because the greed-based private sector fossil industry is still running the show around the world; nevertheless, Oz in particular is high on the list of nations who could achieve near 100% renewables within a decade, given Oz's vast solar and and wind resource and small population.

Arrant nonsense.
Andrews banned any further gas exploration and extraction.

banned further gas exploration, as he must. Oz is producing more than enough gas to enable an orderly transition to renewables.

Bollox. Why are energy costs going up if there is more than enough??

One minute you parrot about greedy companies exporting the gas, next minute you want energy nationalised so there is sufficient for the domestic market and then you say there is more than enough as it is, move on, nuffin' to see here.

You talk incessantly, like a parrot on uppers, and have the same level of comprehension of what you are parroting.

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Reply #16 - Oct 21^st, 2022 at 3:39pm

Frank wrote on Oct 21^st, 2022 at 3:28pm:

Bollox. Why are energy costs going up if there is more than enough??

Because greedy private companies are exploiting high world prices, rather than selling Oz gas to Australians for a reasonable price.

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One minute you parrot about greedy companies exporting the gas, next minute you want energy nationalised so there is suficient for the domestic market and then you say there is more than enough as it is, move on, nuffin' to see here.

You summed it up nicely.

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You talk incessantly, like a parrot on uppers, and have the same level of comprehension of what you are parroting.

Dear me.

1. Oz is already extracting plenty of gas, to enable closure of coal ASAP and transition to renewables in an orderly fashion.

2. The greedy private price gougers should be pissed-off, neither Oz nor the world needs them.

3. There is plenty of gas available to the rest of the world without needing to import Oz gas which should be used here.

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Reply #17 - Oct 21^st, 2022 at 4:09pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 21^st, 2022 at 3:39pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 21^st, 2022 at 3:28pm:

Bollox. Why are energy costs going up if there is more than enough??

Because greedy private companies are exploiting high world prices, rather than selling Oz gas to Australians for a reasonable price.

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One minute you parrot about greedy companies exporting the gas, next minute you want energy nationalised so there is suficient for the domestic market and then you say there is more than enough as it is, move on, nuffin' to see here.

You summed it up nicely.

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You talk incessantly, like a parrot on uppers, and have the same level of comprehension of what you are parroting.

Dear me.

1. Oz is already extracting plenty of gas, to enable closure of coal ASAP and transition to renewables in an orderly fashion.

2. The greedy private price gougers should be pissed-off, neither Oz nor the world needs them.

3. There is plenty of gas available to the rest of the world without needing to import Oz gas which should be used here.

But oddly (?) enough, you are not parroting that coal exports to China should stop coz that would hurt China - a bad thing.
But whatever hurts Australia - a good thing (like banning additional gas extraction, like not building reliable and cheap power supply using Australian resources that dont depend on China).

Common, worldwide dependence on China. Print mo' moolah.

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21507 Gender:	Re: Renewable Energy Projects Fast-Tracked Reply #18 - Oct 21^st, 2022 at 8:57pm thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 21^st, 2022 at 2:24pm: lee wrote on Oct 20^th, 2022 at 6:04pm: And somehow you expect us to believe. ; D The Vic government starting down the right track.....nationalization of the SEC. Now all we have to do is wait.
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21507 Gender:	Re: Renewable Energy Projects Fast-Tracked Reply #19 - Oct 21^st, 2022 at 8:58pm thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 21^st, 2022 at 3:09pm: banned further gas exploration, as he must. Oz is producing more than enough gas to enable an orderly transition to renewables. Cocky poop.
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21507 Gender:	Re: Renewable Energy Projects Fast-Tracked Reply #20 - Oct 21^st, 2022 at 9:02pm TGD doesn't want the world to share Australia's good fortune. He wants us to watch Europe and Britain be starved of fossil fuels. China is apparently ok.
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thegreatdivide Gold Member Offline Australian Politics<br /> Posts: 15650 Gender:	Re: Renewable Energy Projects Fast-Tracked Reply #21 - Oct 22^nd, 2022 at 11:08am lee wrote on Oct 21^st, 2022 at 8:58pm: thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 21^st, 2022 at 3:09pm: banned further gas exploration, as he must. Oz is producing more than enough gas to enable an orderly transition to renewables. Cocky poop. How so?
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Reply #22 - Oct 22^nd, 2022 at 11:09am

lee wrote on Oct 21^st, 2022 at 8:58pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 21^st, 2022 at 3:09pm:

banned further gas exploration, as he must. Oz is producing more than enough gas to enable an orderly transition to renewables.

Cocky poop.

How so? Consensus is we have to begin reducing CO2 emissions, not increasing them.

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thegreatdivide Gold Member Offline Australian Politics<br /> Posts: 15650 Gender:	Re: Renewable Energy Projects Fast-Tracked Reply #23 - Oct 22^nd, 2022 at 11:11am lee wrote on Oct 21^st, 2022 at 9:02pm: TGD doesn't want the world to share Australia's good fortune. He wants us to watch Europe and Britain be starved of fossil fuels. China is apparently ok. Russia is much closer to the EU than Oz. Sort out your stupid NATO war mentality.
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21507 Gender:	Re: Renewable Energy Projects Fast-Tracked Reply #24 - Oct 22^nd, 2022 at 1:13pm thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2022 at 11:11am: Russia is much closer to the EU than Oz. Is that the same Russia denying gas to Europe unless in Roublenka?
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Reply #25 - Oct 23^rd, 2022 at 10:58am

lee wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2022 at 1:13pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2022 at 11:11am:

Russia is much closer to the EU than Oz.

Is that the same Russia denying gas to Europe unless in Roublenka? Roll Eyes

It's the same Russia your "freedom"/national sovereignty* ideology forced into war, by expanding a triumphalist NATO among former eastern European USSR countries, without inviting Russia into the club.

*National sovereignty must be subject to international law, if we are to overcome the scourge of war.

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Reply #26 - Oct 23^rd, 2022 at 11:03am

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2022 at 10:58am:

It's the same Russia your "freedom"/national sovereignty* ideology forced into war, by expanding a triumphalist NATO among former eastern European USSR countries, without inviting Russia into the club.

Rubbish. Poor Russia wasn't forced to annexe any part of Ukraine. Your love affair with communism is showing. Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2022 at 10:58am:

*National sovereignty must be subject to international law, if we are to overcome the scourge of war.

So the UN should go in against Russia. Tongue

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Reply #27 - Oct 23^rd, 2022 at 11:10am

lee wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2022 at 11:03am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2022 at 10:58am:

It's the same Russia your "freedom"/national sovereignty* ideology forced into war, by expanding a triumphalist NATO among former eastern European USSR countries, without inviting Russia into the club.

Rubbish. Poor Russia wasn't forced to annexe any part of Ukraine. Your love affair with communism is showing. Roll Eyes

well...my belief in prosperity for all is a different topic.

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So the UN should go in against Russia. Tongue

No the UN should outlaw war as a means of dispute settlement between nations. Paranoid Putin should not be allowed to decide to go to war.

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Reply #28 - Oct 23^rd, 2022 at 2:08pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2022 at 11:10am:

well...my belief in prosperity for all is a different topic.

No it is not. Making the wealthy as poor as the poor doesn't work. Which is exactly what your "policy" would achieve. Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2022 at 11:10am:

No the UN should outlaw war as a means of dispute settlement between nations. Paranoid Putin should not be allowed to decide to go to war.

But he is already AT war. Roll Eyes

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Reply #29 - Oct 24^th, 2022 at 11:05am

lee wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2022 at 2:08pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2022 at 11:10am:

well...my belief in prosperity for all is a different topic.

No it is not. Making the wealthy as poor as the poor doesn't work. Which is exactly what your "policy" would achieve. Roll Eyes

Your blind ideological assertion based on capture by obsolete classical economics.

Having an above-poverty floor for universal wellbeing is not "making the wealthy as poor as the poor". The issue is just distribution of a nation's output to ensure an above poverty minimum via universal participation.

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But he is already AT war. Roll Eyes

And you are complicit in that war, by insisting on maintaining theobsolete concept of absolute national sovereignty, which is incompatible with international law outlawing war.

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