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Reply #150 - Oct 12^th, 2022 at 8:15pm

The Islamic regime shooting protestors.

If you protest against being ruled by mad mullahs under sharia law some dopey leftist might call you an Islamophobe.

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Watch how the savage Islamic Republic thugs have been shooting at innocent people of #Sanandaj in the past few days

https://twitter.com/AlinejadMasih/status/1579938412031016961?cxt=HHwWgoDUga3niO0...

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Reply #151 - Oct 13^th, 2022 at 9:58am

freediver wrote on Oct 11^th, 2022 at 4:33pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 11^th, 2022 at 12:10pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 11^th, 2022 at 10:41am:

You insist we should not concern ourselves with whether these women are being forced to wear a hijab in public, because we should instead concern ourselves with eliminating domestic abuse.

It seems like a curious strategy to me, like one from a person who likes to pretend to care about their plight, while doing what they can to make an improvement in their plight impossible.

Explain to me how exactly you are going to investigate whether any given woman - presumably independent of any other consideration - is a victim of abuse via the forced wearing of the hijab? Invade their privacy and start interrogating them? What do you propose FD - are you going to confront a woman in the street and start telling her- "oh you poor thing, do tell me about all that abuse you must be suffering" - *PURELY* on the basis that she has a hijab on?

For you and Frank, wearing the hijab is, by default, a sign that something is amiss, and must necessarily mean there is something wrong with the woman. Whether its that she is a victim of abuse, or that she is making some unacceptable political statement. This is the problem. Women do not ask for, or need, such stereotypical preconceived notions thrust upon them. They have the right to be accepted and respected for who they are - not what they wear.

If we are weighing up whether or not a woman is a victim of domestic abuse, the mere sight of her in a headscarf alone should not factor into that consideration.

Are you suggesting domestic abuse is difficult to address? Is that why you want to ignore women being forced to wear the hijab?

I'm suggesting the presence of a hijab per se should not automatically be assumed to be suspicious - vis a vis domestic abuse. Are you seriously suggesting it should?

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #152 - Oct 13^th, 2022 at 10:35pm

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Iran protests: Alarm at crackdown by security forces in Kurdish city

Human rights activists have expressed alarm at a crackdown on protests in a Kurdish-populated city in western Iran.

Amnesty International said there were reports that security forces had used firearms indiscriminately in Sanandaj.

Kurdish group Hengaw posted a video which it said showed police shooting at homes in the city and another in which gunfire and cries could be heard.

It reported that at least five civilians had been killed and 400 injured across the region since Sunday.

But it warned that the death toll might be higher because authorities were disrupting local internet and mobile networks.

Protests against the clerical establishment have swept across Iran since the death three weeks ago of Mahsa Amini, a Kurdish woman from the western city of Saqqez who fell into a coma after being detained by morality police in Tehran for allegedly violating the strict hijab law.

The unrest is now considered the most serious challenge to the Islamic Republic since its inception in 1979.

Iran's leaders have accused foreign enemies and exiled opposition groups of fomenting "riots" that they will not tolerate.

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Hengaw reported on Tuesday that over the past three days protests had taken place in 10 areas of Kurdistan, Kermanshah and West Azerbaijan provinces, with Sanandaj the epicentre of the unrest and the crackdown by authorities.

The Norway-based group posted videos which it said showed intense clashes between protesters and security forces in the city on Monday night. Repeated gunfire can be heard in the footage, as well as cries and shouts.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-63218965

These protests have been going for a month.

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Reply #153 - Oct 13^th, 2022 at 10:38pm

The younger generation of Iranians don't really care for Islam.

They don't believe Muhammad rode a flying donkey called Buraq.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buraq

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A girls' school in Iran brought a member of the IRGC-run Basij paramilitary to speak to students. The girls welcomed the speaker by taking off their headscarves & chanting "get lost, Basiji".

Teenage girls have been at the forefront of protests for days.

https://twitter.com/KianSharifi/status/1577543177925435395?cxt=HHwWhoCxobDKx-QrA...

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Reply #154 - Oct 16^th, 2022 at 9:48am

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 13^th, 2022 at 9:58am:

freediver wrote on Oct 11^th, 2022 at 4:33pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 11^th, 2022 at 12:10pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 11^th, 2022 at 10:41am:

You insist we should not concern ourselves with whether these women are being forced to wear a hijab in public, because we should instead concern ourselves with eliminating domestic abuse.

It seems like a curious strategy to me, like one from a person who likes to pretend to care about their plight, while doing what they can to make an improvement in their plight impossible.

Explain to me how exactly you are going to investigate whether any given woman - presumably independent of any other consideration - is a victim of abuse via the forced wearing of the hijab? Invade their privacy and start interrogating them? What do you propose FD - are you going to confront a woman in the street and start telling her- "oh you poor thing, do tell me about all that abuse you must be suffering" - *PURELY* on the basis that she has a hijab on?

For you and Frank, wearing the hijab is, by default, a sign that something is amiss, and must necessarily mean there is something wrong with the woman. Whether its that she is a victim of abuse, or that she is making some unacceptable political statement. This is the problem. Women do not ask for, or need, such stereotypical preconceived notions thrust upon them. They have the right to be accepted and respected for who they are - not what they wear.

If we are weighing up whether or not a woman is a victim of domestic abuse, the mere sight of her in a headscarf alone should not factor into that consideration.

Are you suggesting domestic abuse is difficult to address? Is that why you want to ignore women being forced to wear the hijab?

I'm suggesting the presence of a hijab per se should not automatically be assumed to be suspicious - vis a vis domestic abuse. Are you seriously suggesting it should?

Are you trying to change your story again Gandalf? You do like to pick and choose when Muslim women should be have their rights and freedoms protected.

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 10^th, 2022 at 1:31pm:

Did you ever consider maybe, just maybe now they are free from the yoke of their brute husbands...

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Reply #155 - Oct 17^th, 2022 at 1:12pm

freediver wrote on Oct 16^th, 2022 at 9:48am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 13^th, 2022 at 9:58am:

freediver wrote on Oct 11^th, 2022 at 4:33pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 11^th, 2022 at 12:10pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 11^th, 2022 at 10:41am:

You insist we should not concern ourselves with whether these women are being forced to wear a hijab in public, because we should instead concern ourselves with eliminating domestic abuse.

It seems like a curious strategy to me, like one from a person who likes to pretend to care about their plight, while doing what they can to make an improvement in their plight impossible.

Explain to me how exactly you are going to investigate whether any given woman - presumably independent of any other consideration - is a victim of abuse via the forced wearing of the hijab? Invade their privacy and start interrogating them? What do you propose FD - are you going to confront a woman in the street and start telling her- "oh you poor thing, do tell me about all that abuse you must be suffering" - *PURELY* on the basis that she has a hijab on?

For you and Frank, wearing the hijab is, by default, a sign that something is amiss, and must necessarily mean there is something wrong with the woman. Whether its that she is a victim of abuse, or that she is making some unacceptable political statement. This is the problem. Women do not ask for, or need, such stereotypical preconceived notions thrust upon them. They have the right to be accepted and respected for who they are - not what they wear.

If we are weighing up whether or not a woman is a victim of domestic abuse, the mere sight of her in a headscarf alone should not factor into that consideration.

Are you suggesting domestic abuse is difficult to address? Is that why you want to ignore women being forced to wear the hijab?

I'm suggesting the presence of a hijab per se should not automatically be assumed to be suspicious - vis a vis domestic abuse. Are you seriously suggesting it should?

Are you trying to change your story again Gandalf? You do like to pick and choose when Muslim women should be have their rights and freedoms protected.

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 10^th, 2022 at 1:31pm:

Did you ever consider maybe, just maybe now they are free from the yoke of their brute husbands...

pathetic attempt at deflection.

try again:
Are you seriously suggesting the presence of a hijab per se should automatically be assumed to be suspicious vis a vis domestic abuse?

If not, what is the criteria for determining which women are forced to wear the hijab and which are not? You do acknowledge that there are some hijabis who are not coerced right?

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 50637 At my desk.	Re: Hijab, a symbol of oppression. Reply #156 - Oct 18^th, 2022 at 7:25am The 'criteria' is whether or not they are being coerced. Have you now decided that it does matter after all?
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Reply #157 - Oct 18^th, 2022 at 10:19am

Lets play FD's favourite game of repeat myself until he stops deflecting:

here it is again:
Are you seriously suggesting the presence of a hijab per se should automatically be assumed to be suspicious vis a vis domestic abuse?

If not, what is the criteria for determining which women are forced to wear the hijab and which are not?

I even got the crayons out to help you understand what I'm actually asking.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 50637 At my desk.	Re: Hijab, a symbol of oppression. Reply #158 - Oct 18^th, 2022 at 12:16pm Are you suggesting there is some other criteria for determining whether they have been coerced, other than whether they have been coerced?
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Reply #159 - Oct 18^th, 2022 at 2:03pm

Brilliant FD.

Let me guess - if someone asks you how you know a particular woman is being coerced to wear the hijab - your answer is "because she is being coerced" - right? FD logic at its finest.

Do you think the presence of a hijab per se should automatically be assumed to be suspicious vis a vis domestic abuse?

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #160 - Oct 18^th, 2022 at 4:44pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 18^th, 2022 at 2:03pm:

Brilliant FD.

Let me guess - if someone asks you how you know a particular woman is being coerced to wear the hijab - your answer is "because she is being coerced" - right? FD logic at its finest.

Do you think the presence of a hijab per se should automatically be assumed to be suspicious vis a vis domestic abuse?

https://mobile.twitter.com/EvaVlaar/status/1582040827135610880

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Reply #161 - Oct 23^rd, 2022 at 1:27pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 18^th, 2022 at 2:03pm:

Brilliant FD.

Let me guess - if someone asks you how you know a particular woman is being coerced to wear the hijab - your answer is "because she is being coerced" - right? FD logic at its finest.

Do you think the presence of a hijab per se should automatically be assumed to be suspicious vis a vis domestic abuse?

Do you think it matters whether they are coerced Gandalf, or this this just a rhetorical question?

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Reply #162 - Oct 23^rd, 2022 at 6:15pm

freediver wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2022 at 1:27pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 18^th, 2022 at 2:03pm:

Brilliant FD.

Let me guess - if someone asks you how you know a particular woman is being coerced to wear the hijab - your answer is "because she is being coerced" - right? FD logic at its finest.

Do you think the presence of a hijab per se should automatically be assumed to be suspicious vis a vis domestic abuse?

Do you think it matters whether they are coerced Gandalf, or this this just a rhetorical question?

Funny how everytime fd's stupidity is highlighted after pages of his arguing his position is sound, his response is always along the lines of 'it doesn't matter anyway as it doesn't change anything'. Roll Eyes

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Reply #163 - Oct 23^rd, 2022 at 6:37pm

John Smith wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2022 at 6:15pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2022 at 1:27pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 18^th, 2022 at 2:03pm:

Brilliant FD.

Let me guess - if someone asks you how you know a particular woman is being coerced to wear the hijab - your answer is "because she is being coerced" - right? FD logic at its finest.

Do you think the presence of a hijab per se should automatically be assumed to be suspicious vis a vis domestic abuse?

Do you think it matters whether they are coerced Gandalf, or this this just a rhetorical question?

Funny how everytime fd's stupidity is highlighted after pages of his arguing his position is sound, his response is always along the lines of 'it doesn't matter anyway as it doesn't change anything'. Roll Eyes

Gandalf was the one who suggested we should not bother finding out if these women are coerced into wearing the hijab. Now he demands to know.

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Reply #164 - Oct 23^rd, 2022 at 7:06pm

freediver wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2022 at 6:37pm:

John Smith wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2022 at 6:15pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2022 at 1:27pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 18^th, 2022 at 2:03pm:

Brilliant FD.

Let me guess - if someone asks you how you know a particular woman is being coerced to wear the hijab - your answer is "because she is being coerced" - right? FD logic at its finest.

Do you think the presence of a hijab per se should automatically be assumed to be suspicious vis a vis domestic abuse?

Do you think it matters whether they are coerced Gandalf, or this this just a rhetorical question?

Funny how everytime fd's stupidity is highlighted after pages of his arguing his position is sound, his response is always along the lines of 'it doesn't matter anyway as it doesn't change anything'. Roll Eyes

Gandalf was the one who suggested we should not bother finding out if these women are coerced into wearing the hijab. Now he demands to know.

Did he? Or are you pretending he said something he didn't say again?

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