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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 111533 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Hijab, a symbol of oppression. Reply #135 - Oct 11^th, 2022 at 9:31am Bobby. wrote on Oct 10^th, 2022 at 2:30pm: Gandalf, Why is showing some hair on your head immoral? Is it immoral for men too? Still don't have an answer about men? What if a poofter has nice hair and another poofter sees it? Could it lead to immorality?
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Reply #136 - Oct 11^th, 2022 at 9:32am

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 11^th, 2022 at 9:27am:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 11^th, 2022 at 9:11am:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 10^th, 2022 at 2:30pm:

Gandalf,

Why is showing some hair on your head immoral?

Is it immoral for men too?

Gandalf won't answer me so I resorted to Google.
I don't know where it says that it's moral to murder a woman who
has a bit of her hair showing?

https://islamqa.info/en/answers/6244/why-do-women-cover-their-hair

Praise be to Allah.

Muslim women cover their hair because Allah has commanded them to do so, and it is not permissible for them to go against what He says and disobey His command. Allah has only commanded them to do this because there is great wisdom in it.

Part of that wisdom is that it protects a woman’s honour from the “human wolves” who are looking for easy prey to attack and devour, and a morsel cannot be eaten unless it is prepared and ready – which is what we see in those woman who make a display of themselves, who by their appearance are calling those wolves to come and take whatever they want!

Confirmation of this is to be found in the words of Allah (interpretation of the meaning):

“… That will be better, that they should be known (as free respectable women) so as not to be annoyed…” [al-Ahzab 33:59].

If a woman covers herself , then immoral and corrupt men will know that this is not part of their prey, thus Allah will protect them and take care of them.

Allah and His Messenger (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) have issued a stern warning to women who make a display of themselves. An example of this is:

Abu Hurayrah said: The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “There are two types of the people of Hell whom I have not seen: a people with whips like the tails of cattle, with which they beat the people, and women who are clothed but naked, walking with an enticing gait and with their heads looking like the humps of camels, leaning to one side. They will not enter Paradise and will not even smell its fragrance, although its fragrance can be detected from such and such a distance.” (Narrated by Muslim, 2128).

A woman [or a man] should not try to comprehend Islamic rulings with her reason – which is unable to encompass the wisdom of Shari’ah. She should know that whatever Allah has enjoined upon her contains nothing but goodness and happiness for her, her family and society as a whole.

It is known that a woman’s uncovering her hair makes her more attractive to men, which could lead to them forming hopes about her and committing immoral actions.

Islam wants society to be clean, with no provocation of desires, outrage or uncovering of women’s charms – which include their hair – which can lead to others being tempted by her and which opens the door to evil and its people.

We need to point out again that Islam means submitting to Allah. The believer follows the command of Allah even if he does not know the wisdom behind it or he does not find anything to convince his reason for it, because his obedience of his Lord and his submission to His command take priority over all other things, and worship is based on obedience and submission.

We ask Allah to show us the truth and help us to follow it, and to show us falsehood and help us to avoid it.

And Allah knows best.

Why Do Women Cover Their Hair?

Typical salafist nonsense. Best stay away from islamqa

Its not immoral, by the way.

Then why the murder?

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Hijab, a symbol of oppression. Reply #137 - Oct 11^th, 2022 at 9:56am No one is claiming the murder of the Iranian girl was anything Islamic Bobby. Otherwise, the mullah's presumably wouldn't be trying to cover it up and deny it.
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Reply #138 - Oct 11^th, 2022 at 10:03am

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Hijab, a symbol of oppression.

In the wrong hands a symbol for “good fortune” or “well-being" can become a symbol of oppression.

In this society the Hijab is being used as a symbol in this manner however in many more free Muslim countries where it is optional the majority of woman wear a Hijab by choice and it is no more a symbol of oppression than is a sausage roll (in most cultures).

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Reply #139 - Oct 11^th, 2022 at 10:41am

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 11^th, 2022 at 9:21am:

freediver wrote on Oct 11^th, 2022 at 8:07am:

And how do you expect to liberate women in the privacy of their own home while insisting they remain oppressed in public spaces?

You've lost me FD (now there's a surprise).

Where am I trying to a) liberate women in their own home and b) insist they remain oppressed in public spaces? Are we talking about Iran or Australia?

You insist we should not concern ourselves with whether these women are being forced to wear a hijab in public, because we should instead concern ourselves with eliminating domestic abuse.

It seems like a curious strategy to me, like one from a person who likes to pretend to care about their plight, while doing what they can to make an improvement in their plight impossible.

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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 59983 Here Gender:	Re: Hijab, a symbol of oppression. Reply #140 - Oct 11^th, 2022 at 10:48am freediver wrote on Oct 11^th, 2022 at 8:07am: And how do you expect to liberate women in the privacy of their own home while insisting they remain oppressed in public spaces? That's easy just don't permit them to leave the house of course.
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Reply #141 - Oct 11^th, 2022 at 12:10pm

freediver wrote on Oct 11^th, 2022 at 10:41am:

You insist we should not concern ourselves with whether these women are being forced to wear a hijab in public, because we should instead concern ourselves with eliminating domestic abuse.

It seems like a curious strategy to me, like one from a person who likes to pretend to care about their plight, while doing what they can to make an improvement in their plight impossible.

Explain to me how exactly you are going to investigate whether any given woman - presumably independent of any other consideration - is a victim of abuse via the forced wearing of the hijab? Invade their privacy and start interrogating them? What do you propose FD - are you going to confront a woman in the street and start telling her- "oh you poor thing, do tell me about all that abuse you must be suffering" - *PURELY* on the basis that she has a hijab on?

For you and Frank, wearing the hijab is, by default, a sign that something is amiss, and must necessarily mean there is something wrong with the woman. Whether its that she is a victim of abuse, or that she is making some unacceptable political statement. This is the problem. Women do not ask for, or need, such stereotypical preconceived notions thrust upon them. They have the right to be accepted and respected for who they are - not what they wear.

If we are weighing up whether or not a woman is a victim of domestic abuse, the mere sight of her in a headscarf alone should not factor into that consideration.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 111533 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Hijab, a symbol of oppression. Reply #142 - Oct 11^th, 2022 at 3:45pm Hi Gandalf, is Jacinda showing enough hair that she would have been murdered in Iran?
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Reply #143 - Oct 11^th, 2022 at 4:33pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 11^th, 2022 at 12:10pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 11^th, 2022 at 10:41am:

You insist we should not concern ourselves with whether these women are being forced to wear a hijab in public, because we should instead concern ourselves with eliminating domestic abuse.

It seems like a curious strategy to me, like one from a person who likes to pretend to care about their plight, while doing what they can to make an improvement in their plight impossible.

Explain to me how exactly you are going to investigate whether any given woman - presumably independent of any other consideration - is a victim of abuse via the forced wearing of the hijab? Invade their privacy and start interrogating them? What do you propose FD - are you going to confront a woman in the street and start telling her- "oh you poor thing, do tell me about all that abuse you must be suffering" - *PURELY* on the basis that she has a hijab on?

For you and Frank, wearing the hijab is, by default, a sign that something is amiss, and must necessarily mean there is something wrong with the woman. Whether its that she is a victim of abuse, or that she is making some unacceptable political statement. This is the problem. Women do not ask for, or need, such stereotypical preconceived notions thrust upon them. They have the right to be accepted and respected for who they are - not what they wear.

If we are weighing up whether or not a woman is a victim of domestic abuse, the mere sight of her in a headscarf alone should not factor into that consideration.

Are you suggesting domestic abuse is difficult to address? Is that why you want to ignore women being forced to wear the hijab?

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Reply #144 - Oct 11^th, 2022 at 5:05pm

Bobby. wrote on Oct 11^th, 2022 at 3:45pm:

Hi Gandalf,
is Jacinda showing enough hair that she would have been murdered in Iran?

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An example where wearing a Hijab is a symbol of freedom. Why do you want to limit that freedom Bobby ?

This does in fact show that although there is a big problem in that country it isn't really the Hajib it is the people suppressing the women in that country.

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Reply #145 - Oct 11^th, 2022 at 5:08pm

Dnarever wrote on Oct 11^th, 2022 at 5:05pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 11^th, 2022 at 3:45pm:

Hi Gandalf,
is Jacinda showing enough hair that she would have been murdered in Iran?

[url]https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/117/696/125/origi
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An example where wearing a Hijab is a symbol of freedom. Why do you want to limit that freedom Bobby ?

This does in fact show that although there is a big problem in that country it isn't really the Hajib it is the people suppressing the women in that country.

But I can see some hair -
that's a good enough reason for her to be murdered by the morality police.

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Reply #146 - Oct 11^th, 2022 at 5:21pm

Bobby. wrote on Oct 11^th, 2022 at 5:08pm:

Dnarever wrote on Oct 11^th, 2022 at 5:05pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 11^th, 2022 at 3:45pm:

Hi Gandalf,
is Jacinda showing enough hair that she would have been murdered in Iran?

[url]https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/117/696/125/origi
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An example where wearing a Hijab is a symbol of freedom. Why do you want to limit that freedom Bobby ?

This does in fact show that although there is a big problem in that country it isn't really the Hajib it is the people suppressing the women in that country.

But I can see some hair -
that's a good enough reason for her to be murdered by the morality police.

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But I can see some hair -

I am very pleased that at least you are not bald.

Assuming that you didn't pull down your zipper, that I just don't want to know.

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Reply #147 - Oct 11^th, 2022 at 5:24pm

Bobby. wrote on Oct 11^th, 2022 at 5:08pm:

Dnarever wrote on Oct 11^th, 2022 at 5:05pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 11^th, 2022 at 3:45pm:

Hi Gandalf,
is Jacinda showing enough hair that she would have been murdered in Iran?

[url]https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/117/696/125/origi
nal/b8a7d01ef733ac4e.jpeg[/url]

An example where wearing a Hijab is a symbol of freedom. Why do you want to limit that freedom Bobby ?

This does in fact show that although there is a big problem in that country it isn't really the Hajib it is the people suppressing the women in that country.

But I can see some hair -
that's a good enough reason for her to be murdered by the morality police.

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that's a good enough reason for her to be murdered by the morality police.

The military police of NZ are normally a tad more casual than that.

Different story if she screwed up her Haka or missed an all blacks game.

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 111533 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Hijab, a symbol of oppression. Reply #148 - Oct 11^th, 2022 at 5:48pm Dnarever wrote on Oct 11^th, 2022 at 5:24pm: The military police of NZ are normally a tad more casual than that. Different story if she screwed up her Haka or missed an all blacks game. A young woman murdered for showing some hair is no laughing matter.
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Reply #149 - Oct 12^th, 2022 at 8:13pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 11^th, 2022 at 12:10pm:

If we are weighing up whether or not a woman is a victim of domestic abuse, the mere sight of her in a headscarf alone should not factor into that consideration.

Your allah condones wife beating if you fear disobedience.
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Men are in charge of women by [right of] what Allah has given one over the other and what they spend [for maintenance] from their wealth. So righteous women are devoutly obedient, guarding in [the husband's] absence what Allah would have them guard. But those [wives] from whom you fear arrogance - [first] advise them; [then if they persist], forsake them in bed; and [finally], strike them. But if they obey you [once more], seek no means against them. Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted and Grand.
https://legacy.quran.com/4/34

Your prophet said this
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Umar (May Allah be pleased with him) reported that:
The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said, "No man shall be asked for the reason of beating his wife".
https://sunnah.com/riyadussalihin:68

What did Keysar Trad say?

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The President of the Australian Federation of Islamic Councils, Keysar Trad, has apologised for condoning domestic violence as a 'last resort', calling his explanation of the Quran 'clumsy'.

The comments led to widespread condemnation, with Mr Trad failing in his first attempt to backtrack.
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/keysar-trad-apologises-for-clumsy-domestic-v...

If a muslimah is wearing hijab i would say it's fair to believe she agrees with allah in 4/34 that wife beating is acceptable.

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Leftists and the Ayatollahs have a lot in common when it comes to criticism of Islam, they don't tolerate it.

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