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Reply #285 - Nov 25th, 2023 at 8:48pm
 
Karnal wrote on Nov 25th, 2023 at 8:44pm:
Bobby. wrote on Nov 25th, 2023 at 8:26pm:
Karnal wrote on Nov 25th, 2023 at 7:37pm:



We are regressing back to the stone age.




We are indeed. When people spread hate, cite propaganda and tell lies, it sets us back to the stone age, no?

Take Q. He told you your DL would win the 2020 erection and go onto bigger and better things like locking Hillary up. When DL lost, Q said he'd declare military law on Jan 6, 2021 and take over. When that didn't happen either, he pushed back the date to May, then October, and then - nothing. He's stopped posting now.

But that doesn't stop you quoting Q's lies and telling us all the great things DL will do.

The old boy's doing the same thing, citing debunked lies, telling porkies and fingering the Jigaboos. That's why you both like DL - he hates Darkies. But do you know?

We could have a nice country, but we keep importing vermin. And if we don't let them in, you fall for their lies anyway.

We are regressing back to the stone age.



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he prepares us for The Storm.


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Reply #286 - Nov 25th, 2023 at 8:48pm
 
Jasin wrote on Nov 25th, 2023 at 8:45pm:
Karnal wrote on Nov 25th, 2023 at 7:37pm:


They look like a bunch of homeless, out of work people in that picture - which could easily be of many people around the world presently.


No, dear, they look like the elites of Lagos, having a pool party at the Hilton.

The white guy's been photoshopped in for colour.

You?
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Reply #287 - Nov 25th, 2023 at 8:49pm
 
Jasin wrote on Nov 25th, 2023 at 8:45pm:
Karnal wrote on Nov 25th, 2023 at 7:37pm:


They look like a bunch of homeless, out of work people in that picture - which could easily be of many people around the world presently.
40,000 years of sensory deprivation in isolation does strange things to the mind.



It could be the backyard at Greggy's place and him in the pool?


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Reply #288 - Nov 25th, 2023 at 8:51pm
 
Karnal wrote on Nov 25th, 2023 at 8:44pm:
Bobby. wrote on Nov 25th, 2023 at 8:26pm:
Karnal wrote on Nov 25th, 2023 at 7:37pm:



We are regressing back to the stone age.




We are indeed. When people spread hate, cite propaganda and tell lies, it sets us back to the stone age, no?

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We are regressing back to the stone age.


Oh?? So Abos were hatefulpropagandist liars of the Stone Age?!?


Sounds like your idea, paki. Give you 2 rupees for it.
Do you have anything else?


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Reply #289 - Nov 25th, 2023 at 8:52pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Nov 25th, 2023 at 8:48pm:
Karnal wrote on Nov 25th, 2023 at 8:44pm:
Bobby. wrote on Nov 25th, 2023 at 8:26pm:
Karnal wrote on Nov 25th, 2023 at 7:37pm:



We are regressing back to the stone age.




We are indeed. When people spread hate, cite propaganda and tell lies, it sets us back to the stone age, no?

Take Q. He told you your DL would win the 2020 erection and go onto bigger and better things like locking Hillary up. When DL lost, Q said he'd declare military law on Jan 6, 2021 and take over. When that didn't happen either, he pushed back the date to May, then October, and then - nothing. He's stopped posting now.

But that doesn't stop you quoting Q's lies and telling us all the great things DL will do.

The old boy's doing the same thing, citing debunked lies, telling porkies and fingering the Jigaboos. That's why you both like DL - he hates Darkies. But do you know?

We could have a nice country, but we keep importing vermin. And if we don't let them in, you fall for their lies anyway.

We are regressing back to the stone age.



Q  doesn't tell lies -
he prepares us for The Storm.




You see? Mindless bottery. I've seen more self-expression and sincerity in 80,000 year old cave paintings.
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Reply #290 - Nov 25th, 2023 at 9:06pm
 
Frank wrote on Nov 25th, 2023 at 8:51pm:
Karnal wrote on Nov 25th, 2023 at 8:44pm:
Bobby. wrote on Nov 25th, 2023 at 8:26pm:
Karnal wrote on Nov 25th, 2023 at 7:37pm:



We are regressing back to the stone age.




We are indeed. When people spread hate, cite propaganda and tell lies, it sets us back to the stone age, no?

...


We are regressing back to the stone age.


Oh?? So Abos were hatefulpropagandist liars of the Stone Age?!?



No, dear, the propaganda's just a tool, as every Nazi schoolboy knows.

Aboriginal art, from what I can tell, usually highlights the connection between things.

You, on the other hand, have made it your life's work to sow division.

This comes from a space of alienation. The immigrant, you see, longs for a home. He carries a sense of rejection and loss that, in maladjusted cases, he projects onto the world.

He is never satisfied. Wealth, fame, it never quenches that longing for the home he has abandoned, to which he can never return.

His cure? Self knowledge. Where there was id, there shall ego be. It starts with the truth, old boy. Alas, until you commit to this, you will always be looking for someone to blame for your pain.
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Reply #291 - Nov 26th, 2023 at 8:52pm
 
For the bad apples in detention:-

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Reply #292 - Dec 1st, 2023 at 9:23am
 
Housing crisis will only fuel immigration backlash


Concerns about immigration in Europe have long existed, but they are now escalating to a level that demands attention from all political factions. Previously, voicing scepticism about large-scale immigration was almost taboo. But this sentiment is shifting, evidenced by the electoral successes of figures like Meloni, Wilders, and the Danish Social Democrats.

There’s an increasing, albeit hesitant, recognition among political and technocratic leaders that the current approach to immigration is widely unpopular and needs reform.  Additionally, there’s a broader realisation that this scepticism cannot be simply labelled as “far right” or “fringe”.

As conflict breaks out in the Middle East, anxiety over mass immigration appears to have intensified. On October 7, for example, Wilders’ Party for Freedom was reportedly polling at just 12 per cent. But on October 14, 20,000 people marched in Amsterdam in support of Palestinians and in condemnation of Israel – before Israel had even launched a defence. Unbeknown to them, many of those who marched appear to have helped Wilders’ electoral campaign.

Yet while cultural disharmony is a real and pressing concern, it is not the only – or even the primary – reason for the immigration ­backlash. Each country experiencing a backlash to immigration is currently experiencing a housing crisis. The Netherlands is experiencing one, while students are protesting the cost of housing in Italy and Germany. Rents are exploding in Austria and in Finland.

Australian immigration policies are more structured and selective than Europe’s, and for a variety of different reasons we are less vulnerable to the cultural tensions plaguing other countries. Nevertheless, we seem to have forgotten the virtue of moderation.

This year, Australia has experienced unprecedented population growth, with the ABS reporting an expansion of 2.2 per cent, driven by record-breaking net migration of 454,400. This is double the average of the past decade.

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A decade ago, economist Saul Eslake submitted a report to a Senate Inquiry on Affordable Housing. He explained that post-war Australia saw a rapid growth in housing stock, outpacing population growth.

This was due to government-led home-building initiatives. Eslake advises that “this era marked a significant surge in home ownership rates, climbing from 53.4 per cent to an impressive 70.3 per cent, the highest ever recorded in Australian history”.

The trend continued in the 60s and 70s with housing stock expanding by 46 per cent, in comparison to population growth which stabilised at 33 per cent.

But those days are long gone. Land and housing is no longer cheap. New buildings are being approved at a sluggish rate, and the median price of a house in Sydney sits at $1,333,985, which is 20 times the national median salary.

Affordability of housing is generally assessed using the house price-to-income ratio. A ratio above three is generally considered unaffordable, and a ratio above five is considered severely unaffordable.  At more than 20 times the ­median annual salary, house price-to-income ratio in Sydney is off the charts

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/commentary/housing-crisis-will-only-fuel-immigr...
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Reply #293 - Dec 3rd, 2023 at 7:55pm
 
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Reply #294 - Dec 9th, 2023 at 10:07am
 
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/other/labor-hints-at-migration-crack-down/ar-AA1l...

Now this one is going to be a beauty.... they want to 'curb immigration' by cutting back on foreign students who are here on temporary visas for study...

Why do I feel I'm being fed a snow job?

First of all they are temporary student visas - not 'immigration' - second of all the 'houses of larnin' will be up in arms over their Lost Revenue and Consequent Pressure to Reduce Staff, Shed Jobs and Courses, Reduce Services, and Curtail the Endless Quest for Knowledge Just When Success Was Just Around The Corner In Every Field.... what will we do... what will we do???

Now if this 'government' had 'hinted' at controlling ACTUAL immigration by tighter standards, more filters to refuse nasty types hostile types and Jew-killers etc, discontinue the groups that build ghettoes and impose Third World values on women etc**, and had actually hinted that mass immigration has gone too far and cannot be sustained and is a false economy move rather than any 'solution' - there might have been something to listen to here...

As it is they are hoping the sound byte headline will push them across the line of favouritism just when everyone is busy with Christmas....

Once again - Weak As Piss!!   Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin

** day afore yestiddy, I was in a fruit and veg market after seeing the docs... a Muslim family went past... blokes and kids went past me.... but the woman held back and waited until I stopped looking at the produce and moved on - apparently it was not 'done' for her to insult me by passing me in the aisle... smilingly, I waved her through - saying:- 'This is Australia - you go ahead!'.

This is the sort of fourth/third world garbage I mean... imagine a hooded woman having to ask permission from a stranger to pass him in an aisle.... FFS....
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Reply #295 - Dec 9th, 2023 at 12:20pm
 
in the brains of these ppl absolutely nothing has changed, dont be fooled they still worship immigration and believe it has no drawbacks whatsoever. they are only throwing us this tiny lil bone to prevent people from possibly seriously radicalising against immigration later like in europe. if they werent a tiny little bit concerned about that they would never have done this, ever

anything less than a cut to a sub 50K rate is totally unacceptable
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Reply #296 - Dec 9th, 2023 at 12:48pm
 
Albo and Wong have given 860 visas to Gazans since 7 October.

How many visas did Egypt, Jordan, Saudi, Iran, Indonesia give to Gazans? None.  They know what they don't want.

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Reply #297 - Dec 11th, 2023 at 8:31am
 
Migration is at the core of our national story, and we would not be the prosperous, secure and peaceful country we are today without it.

But that does not mean any and all migration is good for our country. And it should not be controversial to say so.


The first problem we have to solve is to get migration levels back to sustainable, normal levels. Numbers were always going to surge post-pandemic, but we cannot sustain the levels of migration we have seen in recent years.

There is too much pressure on housing and infrastructure. Our migration program only works with community support and to retain that, we must make a significant correction. That’s why we’re acting. The big policy shifts we will announce today, will help significantly reduce numbers by this time next year.

While bringing down the levels of migration to pre-Covid “normal”, we also need to address another huge issue: our system is built back-the-front.

Under the system we inherited, it is very hard to come to Australia as a permanent, high-skill migrant. Migrants we desperately need face long delays and bureaucracy.

While we place huge barriers in the path of highly skilled people, very large numbers of people are coming in through side doors and back doors. Many arrive as students, get trapped in low-paid work, and can be vulnerable to exploitation.
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/commentary/we-are-a-great-country-with-a-broken...
Clare O'Neil, Minister for Home Affairs, 11 December 2023.



The pre-covid 'normal' of 200,000 p.a. is still too high.
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Reply #298 - Dec 11th, 2023 at 1:36pm
 
if australia had a way smaller population than now (i.e, no immigration at all for the past 50 years) we'd prob be even more prosperous, not less. it's simple math, you increase the number of people benefiting from a fixed mineral wealth endowment and the more the amount of wealth it adds per person decreases. makes zero sense for a country like australia to pursue a high population strategy anymore than it would for qatar or bahrain to.
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Reply #299 - Dec 11th, 2023 at 6:26pm
 
JC Denton wrote on Dec 11th, 2023 at 1:36pm:
if australia had a way smaller population than now (i.e, no immigration at all for the past 50 years) we'd prob be even more prosperous, not less. it's simple math, you increase the number of people benefiting from a fixed mineral wealth endowment and the more the amount of wealth it adds per person decreases. makes zero sense for a country like australia to pursue a high population strategy anymore than it would for qatar or bahrain to.


Annual net migration growth (2023): 2.2%. Annual GDP growth (2022): 3.62%

Those two figures might not mean much if we hadn't had consistent economic growth since 1991, the longest record of unbroken economic growth in the history of the world.

And far from having a high population strategy, Australia has a population of 26,473,055 - a small country, compared with similar sized economies. Our current migration target's around 200,000.

Canada, for example, has an immigration target of around half a million each year for the next few years. It has a population of 38 million. It has a nominal GDP of 1.98 trillion. We create 1.55 trillion in US dollars.

Contrary to your argument, our growth has been driven by immigration. Growth figures follow immigration figures closely. Population is at the forefront of economic drivers used by Treasury to plan economic growth, the three Ps: Population, Participation and Productivity.

https://www.afr.com/policy/economy/what-the-three-ps-population-participation-an...

These facts are not in doubt. The Australian economy is the envy of the world. With less than 30 million people, we get a big bang for our buck, so we shouldn't underestimate the importance of participation and productivity.

But population growth is essential. Migrants add to economies. You can't produce more goods and services without more people. Likewise, you can't buy the things you need without people to do, make and deliver them. We stay healthy, for example, when we have enough good food, medicine, and doctors and nurses to treat us. We become smarter when we have enough teachers. We stay housed when we have enough builders. All of these things are in balance, in proportion to population, participation and productivity.

Hard to say why you're so down on immigration, dear. You're a migrant yourself, no? So's the guy you're chatting with. Aren't we all migrants in some way?

Year 9 maths, innit.
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