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Re: Immigration
Reply #2100 - May 18th, 2025 at 2:28pm
 
Yet you all consistently fight against measures to help the country no longer be reliant on such high levels of migration...

And call anyone who does a socialist or woketard...
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Reply #2101 - May 18th, 2025 at 5:36pm
 
ProudKangaroo wrote on May 18th, 2025 at 1:35pm:
Your reply doesn’t surprise me. When someone points out the long-term consequences of decades of policy decisions you championed, you retreat into name-calling and faux outrage.

Let’s be clear, immigration isn't occurring in a vacuum. It's a response to the economic and demographic conditions you helped create. For decades, you supported a free-market ideology that offshored our industries, dismantled local manufacturing, and turned public services into for-profit ventures. You cheered it on, thinking short-term gains meant long-term prosperity. But what we got was a hollowed-out economy, increasingly reliant on services and consumption, which, by its nature, demands constant population growth.

At the same time, your generation reaped the rewards of turning housing into a speculative asset. Negative gearing, capital gains discounts, first-home-buyer schemes that inflate prices, all while claiming to care about “the future.”

The result?

Young Australians can’t afford to start families, let alone large ones. Birth rates fall, and the only way to sustain the economy is through immigration.

And now, you want to scapegoat immigrants, especially if they aren't white, as though they’re the root of the problem, instead of a symptom of policies you voted for and continue to support.

That’s not just intellectually dishonest, it’s cowardly. You want all the benefits without any responsibility for the consequences.

You brought the ladder up behind you, and now you’re angry that people need a different way up.

Take some responsibility for the society you helped shape instead of blaming the outcomes on everyone else.


Wow...  Shocked
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Reply #2102 - May 18th, 2025 at 6:09pm
 
ProudKangaroo wrote on May 18th, 2025 at 2:28pm:
Yet you all consistently fight against measures to help the country no longer be reliant on such high levels of migration...

And call anyone who does a socialist or woketard...


You are more delusional by the moment - stop thinking backwards.

'scapegoat immigrants' - WTF are you raving about?  We NORMAL people are criticising MASS IMMIGRATION - why do you socialist woketards always try to change it into some personal issue as you try to run everything on your mythical 'high moral ground'?

What EXACTLY are these 'measures' you think should be pushed through?

Start with telling us how Australia is 'reliant' on high numbers of migrants..... there's a good start - set your ground work in place... ask Smith the concretor about a solid foundation....

All I'm hearing is the old worn-out echo chamber repeats over and over....
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Reply #2103 - May 18th, 2025 at 6:18pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller wrote on May 18th, 2025 at 7:32am:
ProudKangaroo wrote on May 18th, 2025 at 7:18am:
All the people complaining about immigration and the change in demographics (aka, as Frank would say, the "tinteds") only have themselves to blame.

They've supported policies, from economic models to housing, that enriched themselves and the rest of the boomers, then destroyed the ladder for the generations to follow them making life harder for them and the traditional "aussie dream" unattainable.

This has led to a decline in birthrate, but the economy they shaped needs endless growth to be sustainable, so we need to make up for the shortfall in birthrate by importing people.

This is their fault.

And they turn to the very side of politics that created the mess, expecting them to fix it.

They have no intention of fixing it, it was designed this way.  You supported the design this way.  The free market etc...

You are responsible for this mess and you're only supporting pathways that ultimately make it worse.

If you don't stop moving to the right and simply crying about it, nothing will ever change.

The likes of Frank and Bobbi only have themselves to blame.


Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin

Now that would have to be the most empty-headed, baseless, leftist rhetoric filled nonsense you've ever posted.





Actually, he's spot on. Eternal growth has long been a pillar of the right wingers.
Must suck to realise that for all those years, you were being played for a fool
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Reply #2104 - May 18th, 2025 at 6:18pm
 
ProudKangaroo wrote on May 18th, 2025 at 1:35pm:
Grappler Truth Teller wrote on May 18th, 2025 at 7:32am:
Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin

Now that would have to be the most empty-headed, baseless, leftist rhetoric filled nonsense you've ever posted.

You and a few others have some weird ideas of how our society functions and about people - most specifically your absolute inability to realise that each person is an individual.

Try addressing MASS immigration ....clearly you are either in a loonie bin and thus are protected from the outside world, or you are a child, or you are overly comfortable in your own life and thus have no need to even begin to comprehend reality.  You - and your ilk - miss every single point of every single issue.

Are you autistic?




Your reply doesn’t surprise me. When someone points out the long-term consequences of decades of policy decisions you championed, you retreat into name-calling and faux outrage.

Let’s be clear, immigration isn't occurring in a vacuum. It's a response to the economic and demographic conditions you helped create. For decades, you supported a free-market ideology that offshored our industries, dismantled local manufacturing, and turned public services into for-profit ventures. You cheered it on, thinking short-term gains meant long-term prosperity. But what we got was a hollowed-out economy, increasingly reliant on services and consumption, which, by its nature, demands constant population growth.

At the same time, your generation reaped the rewards of turning housing into a speculative asset. Negative gearing, capital gains discounts, first-home-buyer schemes that inflate prices, all while claiming to care about “the future.”

The result?

Young Australians can’t afford to start families, let alone large ones. Birth rates fall, and the only way to sustain the economy is through immigration.

And now, you want to scapegoat immigrants, especially if they aren't white, as though they’re the root of the problem, instead of a symptom of policies you voted for and continue to support.

That’s not just intellectually dishonest, it’s cowardly. You want all the benefits without any responsibility for the consequences.

You brought the ladder up behind you, and now you’re angry that people need a different way up.

Take some responsibility for the society you helped shape instead of blaming the outcomes on everyone else.


You are clearly becoming irrational. 
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Re: Immigration
Reply #2105 - May 18th, 2025 at 6:26pm
 
John Smith wrote on May 18th, 2025 at 6:18pm:
Grappler Truth Teller wrote on May 18th, 2025 at 7:32am:
ProudKangaroo wrote on May 18th, 2025 at 7:18am:
All the people complaining about immigration and the change in demographics (aka, as Frank would say, the "tinteds") only have themselves to blame.

They've supported policies, from economic models to housing, that enriched themselves and the rest of the boomers, then destroyed the ladder for the generations to follow them making life harder for them and the traditional "aussie dream" unattainable.

This has led to a decline in birthrate, but the economy they shaped needs endless growth to be sustainable, so we need to make up for the shortfall in birthrate by importing people.

This is their fault.

And they turn to the very side of politics that created the mess, expecting them to fix it.

They have no intention of fixing it, it was designed this way.  You supported the design this way.  The free market etc...

You are responsible for this mess and you're only supporting pathways that ultimately make it worse.

If you don't stop moving to the right and simply crying about it, nothing will ever change.

The likes of Frank and Bobbi only have themselves to blame.


Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin

Now that would have to be the most empty-headed, baseless, leftist rhetoric filled nonsense you've ever posted.





Actually, he's spot on. Eternal growth has long been a pillar of the right wingers.
Must suck to realise that for all those years, you were being played for a fool


Opposing New Labor - Labour after they removed YOU from it - does not equate to supporting the 'other side' - the side which deliberately threw the last election - how else explain their dismal showing?

We, The People - have been played for fools by ALL the political parties, who have all played the same game, Smith - in case you missed it.

It's idiots like False Kanga who whine and cry about 'boomers' - as if average, everyday Australians who worked and struggled to have a home of their own etc - are responsible for everything because they both pushed the policies and supported them! Nothing could be further from the truth for most 'Boomers' - who were and remain VERY radical.

Now riddle me this - how TF would the 'right wing' do all that when it was not always in power in Parliament (make no mistake - that is the ONLY place they hold 'power' and they need to be tamed - ALL of them, and especially the sheilas with their entitlement and demanding ways and lack of real leadership skills) - and exactly WHO was responsible for 'low birth rate' - if not EVERY generation SINCE Boomers.

So by Slack Kanga's standard - you are ALL responsible!  Grow up!

Try putting some solutions on the table - we all need a good laugh.   Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin
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Reply #2106 - May 18th, 2025 at 6:29pm
 
ProudKangaroo wrote on May 18th, 2025 at 1:35pm:
For decades, you supported a free-market ideology that offshored our industries, dismantled local manufacturing, and turned public services into for-profit ventures.


It wasn't all that long ago they were cheering the libs pulling subsidies from the auto industry for one example, claiming that if they can't compete on their own they should close (when every other countrys car industry competes with govt help). Now they cry that manufacturing is dead Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on May 18th, 2025 at 6:18pm:
You are clearly becoming irrational. 


YOU can't be that shocked to learn that you are the problem. We've been telling you for years
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Reply #2107 - May 18th, 2025 at 6:33pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller wrote on May 18th, 2025 at 6:26pm:
Now riddle me this - how TF would the 'right wing' do all that when it was not always in power in Parliament



they were in power for the largest portion of that time and it is FAR easier to knock down then it is to build
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Reply #2108 - May 18th, 2025 at 7:04pm
 
John Smith wrote on May 18th, 2025 at 6:29pm:
ProudKangaroo wrote on May 18th, 2025 at 1:35pm:
For decades, you supported a free-market ideology that offshored our industries, dismantled local manufacturing, and turned public services into for-profit ventures.


It wasn't all that long ago they were cheering the libs pulling subsidies from the auto industry for one example, claiming that if they can't compete on their own they should close (when every other countrys car industry competes with govt help). Now they cry that manufacturing is dead Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

Grappler Truth Teller wrote on May 18th, 2025 at 6:18pm:
You are clearly becoming irrational. 


YOU can't be that shocked to learn that you are the problem. We've been telling you for years


I don't believe Grap has ever championed offshoring anything, in fact the opposite. His "Gaia project" I believe he called it was about onshoring everything. My generation as Sadman puts it, lumping all of us together as some block is as bigoted as lumping all of any demographic together. In fact I have never been for selling public assets or offshoring. He's carrying on like a 12yo girl on the dirts. I wonder how old he really is.
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Reply #2109 - May 18th, 2025 at 7:33pm
 
John Smith wrote on May 18th, 2025 at 6:33pm:
Grappler Truth Teller wrote on May 18th, 2025 at 6:26pm:
Now riddle me this - how TF would the 'right wing' do all that when it was not always in power in Parliament



they were in power for the largest portion of that time and it is FAR easier to knock down then it is to build


You should probably look back to Keating for the beginning of this.
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Reply #2110 - May 18th, 2025 at 8:09pm
 
Setanta wrote on May 18th, 2025 at 7:33pm:
John Smith wrote on May 18th, 2025 at 6:33pm:
Grappler Truth Teller wrote on May 18th, 2025 at 6:26pm:
Now riddle me this - how TF would the 'right wing' do all that when it was not always in power in Parliament



they were in power for the largest portion of that time and it is FAR easier to knock down then it is to build


You should probably look back to Keating for the beginning of this.





More like Hawke:

https://wentworthreport.com/2021/07/22/australian-immigration-policy/

Quote:
Hawke agreed with one author’s observation that most voters wanted immigration reduced and
that the parties had deliberately kept it out of public debate,
saying there had indeed been “an implicit pact between the major parties
to implement broad policies on immigration that they know
are not generally endorsed by the electorate” and
that “they have done this by keeping the subject off the political agenda”




the question remains -
why would the major parties do the opposite of
what they know the people want?
They are acting as traitors.
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Reply #2111 - May 18th, 2025 at 8:15pm
 
Setanta wrote on May 18th, 2025 at 7:33pm:
John Smith wrote on May 18th, 2025 at 6:33pm:
Grappler Truth Teller wrote on May 18th, 2025 at 6:26pm:
Now riddle me this - how TF would the 'right wing' do all that when it was not always in power in Parliament



they were in power for the largest portion of that time and it is FAR easier to knock down then it is to build


You should probably look back to Keating for the beginning of this.


keating didn't change the NG and CGT laws
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Reply #2112 - May 18th, 2025 at 8:24pm
 
John Smith wrote on May 18th, 2025 at 8:15pm:
Setanta wrote on May 18th, 2025 at 7:33pm:
John Smith wrote on May 18th, 2025 at 6:33pm:
Grappler Truth Teller wrote on May 18th, 2025 at 6:26pm:
Now riddle me this - how TF would the 'right wing' do all that when it was not always in power in Parliament



they were in power for the largest portion of that time and it is FAR easier to knock down then it is to build


You should probably look back to Keating for the beginning of this.


keating didn't change the NG and CGT laws


I don't remember saying he did. I said he started this ball rolling.

https://solidarity.net.au/unions/labors-love-affair-with-the-market-the-keating-...
https://jacobin.com/2021/03/australian-labor-party-paul-keating-privatization-ne...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Privatisation_in_Australia
https://theconversation.com/how-paul-keating-transformed-the-economy-and-the-nat...
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Reply #2113 - May 18th, 2025 at 8:31pm
 
Setanta wrote on May 18th, 2025 at 8:24pm:
John Smith wrote on May 18th, 2025 at 8:15pm:
Setanta wrote on May 18th, 2025 at 7:33pm:
John Smith wrote on May 18th, 2025 at 6:33pm:
Grappler Truth Teller wrote on May 18th, 2025 at 6:26pm:
Now riddle me this - how TF would the 'right wing' do all that when it was not always in power in Parliament



they were in power for the largest portion of that time and it is FAR easier to knock down then it is to build


You should probably look back to Keating for the beginning of this.


keating didn't change the NG and CGT laws


I don't remember saying he did. I said he started this ball rolling.

https://solidarity.net.au/unions/labors-love-affair-with-the-market-the-keating-...
https://jacobin.com/2021/03/australian-labor-party-paul-keating-privatization-ne...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Privatisation_in_Australia
https://theconversation.com/how-paul-keating-transformed-the-economy-and-the-nat...


No one suggested we close the economy from the rest of the world Set. Keating didn't remove all the industry subsidies, or rush to sign FTA's with everyone just so he could say he did. You can open up to the outside world without totally destroying all your own industry
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Re: Immigration
Reply #2114 - May 18th, 2025 at 8:32pm
 
John Smith wrote on May 18th, 2025 at 8:31pm:
Setanta wrote on May 18th, 2025 at 8:24pm:
John Smith wrote on May 18th, 2025 at 8:15pm:
Setanta wrote on May 18th, 2025 at 7:33pm:
John Smith wrote on May 18th, 2025 at 6:33pm:
Grappler Truth Teller wrote on May 18th, 2025 at 6:26pm:
Now riddle me this - how TF would the 'right wing' do all that when it was not always in power in Parliament



they were in power for the largest portion of that time and it is FAR easier to knock down then it is to build


You should probably look back to Keating for the beginning of this.


keating didn't change the NG and CGT laws


I don't remember saying he did. I said he started this ball rolling.

https://solidarity.net.au/unions/labors-love-affair-with-the-market-the-keating-...
https://jacobin.com/2021/03/australian-labor-party-paul-keating-privatization-ne...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Privatisation_in_Australia
https://theconversation.com/how-paul-keating-transformed-the-economy-and-the-nat...


No one suggested we close the economy from the rest of the world Set. Keating didn't remove all the industry subsidies, or rush to sign FTA's with everyone just so he could say he did. You can open up to the outside world without totally destroying all your own industry


Roll Eyes Labor started the sellout of Australia.
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