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Re: The truth about trans people
Reply #4845 - Jan 15^th, 2026 at 4:00pm

Frank wrote on Jan 15^th, 2026 at 3:51pm:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jan 14^th, 2026 at 3:02pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 14^th, 2026 at 3:01pm:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jan 14^th, 2026 at 2:40pm:

I know logic and reason doesn't come naturally to you, so let me explain champ.

I assumed that since you're trying to attribute the actions of an individual who broke the law, not because they're trans but because they committed a lewd act in public, to every member of that community, you'd be comfortable with the same standard being applied to you.

You're a conservative, right? There are countless documented cases of conservative men being arrested and charged for homosexual encounters in public spaces.

By your own logic, I should be free to attribute those actions to all conservatives, therefore to you personally.

Or is it suddenly the case that the actions of an individual should not be projected onto everyone else who happens to share a labelled group identity?

If all trans people are creepy deviant sex pests, then by the same reasoning, you're a cock-sucking cowboy.

You don't get to have it both ways, even if you're accustomed to being both the top and the bottom.

Focus, teapot, do not alwys reflexivey grope for false equivalences.

Don't like your own behaviour being used against you?

Boo hoo bitch.

Men should not compete in women's sports. Men shouldn't be in women's lavatories and changing rooms. 'trans women' are men.

That's the long and the short of it.

Nice back down, I appreciate it.

And I actually agree with some of those points.

But there are different degrees of how far people have transitioned.

I don't want women to be put at risk, but the same goes for trans people.

If you have a trans woman who is completely indistingiushable from a cis woman, I wouldn't want her going into a men's bathroom because now she'd be at risk.

Would you want to force this person into a men's bathroom?

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Re: The truth about trans people
Reply #4846 - Jan 15^th, 2026 at 4:23pm

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jan 15^th, 2026 at 4:00pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 15^th, 2026 at 3:51pm:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jan 14^th, 2026 at 3:02pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 14^th, 2026 at 3:01pm:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jan 14^th, 2026 at 2:40pm:

I know logic and reason doesn't come naturally to you, so let me explain champ.

I assumed that since you're trying to attribute the actions of an individual who broke the law, not because they're trans but because they committed a lewd act in public, to every member of that community, you'd be comfortable with the same standard being applied to you.

You're a conservative, right? There are countless documented cases of conservative men being arrested and charged for homosexual encounters in public spaces.

By your own logic, I should be free to attribute those actions to all conservatives, therefore to you personally.

Or is it suddenly the case that the actions of an individual should not be projected onto everyone else who happens to share a labelled group identity?

If all trans people are creepy deviant sex pests, then by the same reasoning, you're a cock-sucking cowboy.

You don't get to have it both ways, even if you're accustomed to being both the top and the bottom.

Focus, teapot, do not alwys reflexivey grope for false equivalences.

Don't like your own behaviour being used against you?

Boo hoo bitch.

How much did you pay for that one, Kanga?

Men should not compete in women's sports. Men shouldn't be in women's lavatories and changing rooms. 'trans women' are men.

That's the long and the short of it.

Nice back down, I appreciate it.

And I actually agree with some of those points.

But there are different degrees of how far people have transitioned.

I don't want women to be put at risk, but the same goes for trans people.

If you have a trans woman who is completely indistingiushable from a cis woman, I wouldn't want her going into a men's bathroom because now she'd be at risk.

Would you want to force this person into a men's bathroom?

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Re: The truth about trans people
Reply #4848 - Jan 15^th, 2026 at 9:22pm

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jan 15^th, 2026 at 4:00pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 15^th, 2026 at 3:51pm:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jan 14^th, 2026 at 3:02pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 14^th, 2026 at 3:01pm:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jan 14^th, 2026 at 2:40pm:

I know logic and reason doesn't come naturally to you, so let me explain champ.

I assumed that since you're trying to attribute the actions of an individual who broke the law, not because they're trans but because they committed a lewd act in public, to every member of that community, you'd be comfortable with the same standard being applied to you.

You're a conservative, right? There are countless documented cases of conservative men being arrested and charged for homosexual encounters in public spaces.

By your own logic, I should be free to attribute those actions to all conservatives, therefore to you personally.

Or is it suddenly the case that the actions of an individual should not be projected onto everyone else who happens to share a labelled group identity?

If all trans people are creepy deviant sex pests, then by the same reasoning, you're a cock-sucking cowboy.

You don't get to have it both ways, even if you're accustomed to being both the top and the bottom.

Focus, teapot, do not alwys reflexivey grope for false equivalences.

Don't like your own behaviour being used against you?

Boo hoo bitch.

Men should not compete in women's sports. Men shouldn't be in women's lavatories and changing rooms. 'trans women' are men.

That's the long and the short of it.

Nice back down, I appreciate it.

And I actually agree with some of those points.

But there are different degrees of how far people have transitioned.

I don't want women to be put at risk, but the same goes for trans people.

If you have a trans woman who is completely indistingiushable from a cis woman, I wouldn't want her going into a men's bathroom because now she'd be at risk.

Would you want to force this person into a men's bathroom?

https://i.imgur.com/79APBdI.png

Reality:

https://www.facebook.com/InsightSBS/videos/gender-games-playing-hockey-saved-my-...

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Re: The truth about trans people
Reply #4849 - Jan 15^th, 2026 at 10:18pm

Frank wrote on Jan 15^th, 2026 at 9:22pm:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jan 15^th, 2026 at 4:00pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 15^th, 2026 at 3:51pm:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jan 14^th, 2026 at 3:02pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 14^th, 2026 at 3:01pm:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jan 14^th, 2026 at 2:40pm:

I know logic and reason doesn't come naturally to you, so let me explain champ.

I assumed that since you're trying to attribute the actions of an individual who broke the law, not because they're trans but because they committed a lewd act in public, to every member of that community, you'd be comfortable with the same standard being applied to you.

You're a conservative, right? There are countless documented cases of conservative men being arrested and charged for homosexual encounters in public spaces.

By your own logic, I should be free to attribute those actions to all conservatives, therefore to you personally.

Or is it suddenly the case that the actions of an individual should not be projected onto everyone else who happens to share a labelled group identity?

If all trans people are creepy deviant sex pests, then by the same reasoning, you're a cock-sucking cowboy.

You don't get to have it both ways, even if you're accustomed to being both the top and the bottom.

Focus, teapot, do not alwys reflexivey grope for false equivalences.

Don't like your own behaviour being used against you?

Boo hoo bitch.

Men should not compete in women's sports. Men shouldn't be in women's lavatories and changing rooms. 'trans women' are men.

That's the long and the short of it.

Nice back down, I appreciate it.

And I actually agree with some of those points.

But there are different degrees of how far people have transitioned.

I don't want women to be put at risk, but the same goes for trans people.

If you have a trans woman who is completely indistingiushable from a cis woman, I wouldn't want her going into a men's bathroom because now she'd be at risk.

Would you want to force this person into a men's bathroom?

https://i.imgur.com/79APBdI.png

Reality:

[url]https://live-production.wcms.abc-cdn.net.au/18c37920a4dd1c768e8f3386a
75d7759?.jpg[/url]

https://www.facebook.com/InsightSBS/videos/gender-games-playing-hockey-saved-my-...

Let's de-construct this .... how do you know that it 'saved your life' if you didn't die or even get close? Was it just one of those 'feeling' things again?

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Re: The truth about trans people
Reply #4850 - Jan 16^th, 2026 at 8:46am

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jan 15^th, 2026 at 4:00pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 15^th, 2026 at 3:51pm:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jan 14^th, 2026 at 3:02pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 14^th, 2026 at 3:01pm:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jan 14^th, 2026 at 2:40pm:

I know logic and reason doesn't come naturally to you, so let me explain champ.

I assumed that since you're trying to attribute the actions of an individual who broke the law, not because they're trans but because they committed a lewd act in public, to every member of that community, you'd be comfortable with the same standard being applied to you.

You're a conservative, right? There are countless documented cases of conservative men being arrested and charged for homosexual encounters in public spaces.

By your own logic, I should be free to attribute those actions to all conservatives, therefore to you personally.

Or is it suddenly the case that the actions of an individual should not be projected onto everyone else who happens to share a labelled group identity?

If all trans people are creepy deviant sex pests, then by the same reasoning, you're a cock-sucking cowboy.

You don't get to have it both ways, even if you're accustomed to being both the top and the bottom.

Focus, teapot, do not alwys reflexivey grope for false equivalences.

Don't like your own behaviour being used against you?

Boo hoo bitch.

Men should not compete in women's sports. Men shouldn't be in women's lavatories and changing rooms. 'trans women' are men.

That's the long and the short of it.

Nice back down, I appreciate it.

And I actually agree with some of those points.

But there are different degrees of how far people have transitioned.

I don't want women to be put at risk, but the same goes for trans people.

If you have a trans woman who is completely indistingiushable from a cis woman, I wouldn't want her going into a men's bathroom because now she'd be at risk.

Would you want to force this person into a men's bathroom?

https://i.imgur.com/79APBdI.png

If it has a cock & balls - yes

even if it didn't it's still a bloke.

Oh & enough with the bullshyte "Cis" language.

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Re: The truth about trans people
Reply #4851 - Jan 16^th, 2026 at 9:17am

Frank wrote on Jan 15^th, 2026 at 9:22pm:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jan 15^th, 2026 at 4:00pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 15^th, 2026 at 3:51pm:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jan 14^th, 2026 at 3:02pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 14^th, 2026 at 3:01pm:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jan 14^th, 2026 at 2:40pm:

I know logic and reason doesn't come naturally to you, so let me explain champ.

I assumed that since you're trying to attribute the actions of an individual who broke the law, not because they're trans but because they committed a lewd act in public, to every member of that community, you'd be comfortable with the same standard being applied to you.

You're a conservative, right? There are countless documented cases of conservative men being arrested and charged for homosexual encounters in public spaces.

By your own logic, I should be free to attribute those actions to all conservatives, therefore to you personally.

Or is it suddenly the case that the actions of an individual should not be projected onto everyone else who happens to share a labelled group identity?

If all trans people are creepy deviant sex pests, then by the same reasoning, you're a cock-sucking cowboy.

You don't get to have it both ways, even if you're accustomed to being both the top and the bottom.

Focus, teapot, do not alwys reflexivey grope for false equivalences.

Don't like your own behaviour being used against you?

Boo hoo bitch.

Men should not compete in women's sports. Men shouldn't be in women's lavatories and changing rooms. 'trans women' are men.

That's the long and the short of it.

Nice back down, I appreciate it.

And I actually agree with some of those points.

But there are different degrees of how far people have transitioned.

I don't want women to be put at risk, but the same goes for trans people.

If you have a trans woman who is completely indistingiushable from a cis woman, I wouldn't want her going into a men's bathroom because now she'd be at risk.

Would you want to force this person into a men's bathroom?

https://i.imgur.com/79APBdI.png

Reality:

[url]https://live-production.wcms.abc-cdn.net.au/18c37920a4dd1c768e8f3386a
75d7759?.jpg[/url]

https://www.facebook.com/InsightSBS/videos/gender-games-playing-hockey-saved-my-...

So you'll ignore my post and not answer the question, again?

White flag accepted.

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Re: The truth about trans people
Reply #4852 - Jan 16^th, 2026 at 9:23am

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jan 16^th, 2026 at 9:17am:

Frank wrote on Jan 15^th, 2026 at 9:22pm:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jan 15^th, 2026 at 4:00pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 15^th, 2026 at 3:51pm:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jan 14^th, 2026 at 3:02pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 14^th, 2026 at 3:01pm:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jan 14^th, 2026 at 2:40pm:

I know logic and reason doesn't come naturally to you, so let me explain champ.

I assumed that since you're trying to attribute the actions of an individual who broke the law, not because they're trans but because they committed a lewd act in public, to every member of that community, you'd be comfortable with the same standard being applied to you.

You're a conservative, right? There are countless documented cases of conservative men being arrested and charged for homosexual encounters in public spaces.

By your own logic, I should be free to attribute those actions to all conservatives, therefore to you personally.

Or is it suddenly the case that the actions of an individual should not be projected onto everyone else who happens to share a labelled group identity?

If all trans people are creepy deviant sex pests, then by the same reasoning, you're a cock-sucking cowboy.

You don't get to have it both ways, even if you're accustomed to being both the top and the bottom.

Focus, teapot, do not alwys reflexivey grope for false equivalences.

Don't like your own behaviour being used against you?

Boo hoo bitch.

Men should not compete in women's sports. Men shouldn't be in women's lavatories and changing rooms. 'trans women' are men.

That's the long and the short of it.

Nice back down, I appreciate it.

And I actually agree with some of those points.

But there are different degrees of how far people have transitioned.

I don't want women to be put at risk, but the same goes for trans people.

If you have a trans woman who is completely indistinguishable from a cis woman, I wouldn't want her going into a men's bathroom because now she'd be at risk.

Would you want to force this person into a men's bathroom?

https://i.imgur.com/79APBdI.png

Reality:

[url]https://live-production.wcms.abc-cdn.net.au/18c37920a4dd1c768e8f3386a
75d7759?.jpg[/url]

https://www.facebook.com/InsightSBS/videos/gender-games-playing-hockey-saved-my-...

So you'll ignore my post and not answer the question, again?

White flag accepted.

Completely indinstinguishable, eh?

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Re: The truth about trans people
Reply #4853 - Jan 16^th, 2026 at 9:31am

Frank wrote on Jan 16^th, 2026 at 9:23am:

Completely indinstinguishable, eh?

You're too scared to engage, I get it. You're a pussy. We all know. You're such a pussy I'm surprised you've not transitioned yourself.

You probably wouldn't even need any HRT given the amount of estrogen naturally flowing through those cold veins of yours.

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Re: The truth about trans people
Reply #4854 - Jan 16^th, 2026 at 9:36am

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jan 16^th, 2026 at 9:31am:

Frank wrote on Jan 16^th, 2026 at 9:23am:

Completely indinstinguishable, eh?

You're too scared to engage, I get it. You're a pussy. We all know. You're such a pussy I'm surprised you've not transitioned yourself.

You probably wouldn't even need any HRT given the amount of estrogen naturally flowing through those cold veins of yours.

As they say at dog shows, "Bitch, please!"

In other "completely indistinguishable " news:

Progressive Researchers Claim They Are 15-20 Years From Finding Out What A Woman Is

U.S. — Progressive researchers working with the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU ) said they were only a mere 15-20 years away from finding out what a woman is.

"We're very close," said Dr. Nina Rangleford, a medical doctor and biology expert. "We've studied hundreds of human bodies and cross-referenced those findings with what people feel. We're confident we'll be able to provide an accurate definition of what a woman is in just 15 years. Twenty, max."

Researchers said they have left no stone unturned in their experiments, even deigning to look up the definition of woman in a dictionary.

"Well, this is obviously wrong," one researcher said after examining a Webster's Dictionary. "We've got our work cut out for us, boys. I mean girls. I mean... whatever."

In an effort to maintain professional neutrality, the ACLU made sure to recruit one scientist from each and every one of the 437 known genders. The team was then sequestered to avoid recent political discussion on the matter so they could focus on what really matters: their feelings.

"I mean, I we might not be close, but I feel we are very close, and that means something," Dr. Xiang Ling, a Chinese research assistant on loan from the People's Republic of China. "I hope so, anyway. I really want to go home."

At publishing time, researchers had asked for an extension on their project and an additional $5 billion in grant money to support their work.

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Re: The truth about trans people
Reply #4855 - Jan 16^th, 2026 at 10:02am

Frank wrote on Jan 16^th, 2026 at 9:36am:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jan 16^th, 2026 at 9:31am:

Frank wrote on Jan 16^th, 2026 at 9:23am:

Completely indinstinguishable, eh?

You're too scared to engage, I get it. You're a pussy. We all know. You're such a pussy I'm surprised you've not transitioned yourself.

You probably wouldn't even need any HRT given the amount of estrogen naturally flowing through those cold veins of yours.

As they say at dog shows, "Bitch, please!"

Keep running Forest Fran.

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Re: The truth about trans people
Reply #4856 - Jan 16^th, 2026 at 10:19am

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jan 16^th, 2026 at 10:02am:

Frank wrote on Jan 16^th, 2026 at 9:36am:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jan 16^th, 2026 at 9:31am:

Frank wrote on Jan 16^th, 2026 at 9:23am:

Completely indinstinguishable, eh?

You're too scared to engage, I get it. You're a pussy. We all know. You're such a pussy I'm surprised you've not transitioned yourself.

You probably wouldn't even need any HRT given the amount of estrogen naturally flowing through those cold veins of yours.

As they say at dog shows, "Bitch, please!"

Keep running Forest Fran.

Your responses to engaging with you and not engaging are 'completely indistinguishable'.

A man cannot become a woman. Dressing up, make up, hormones, operations - none of it will make him a woman.

A simulacrum is not the real thing. Make belief is not thee real thing. Self-delusion should not be foisted on others.

By your logic if I dress up as Jesus Christ and SAY that I am the Messiah, then I AM the Messiah and it is hateful for you to say otherwise. Why would you not go along with that? Only 0.002% of the population identify as Jesus Christ. So, bow your haid and say, 'Bless me, Lord Jesus'. It's polite and inclusive and costs you nuffin'. Or are you a hater?

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Re: The truth about trans people
Reply #4857 - Jan 16^th, 2026 at 11:04am

I was very clear, Fran.

I actually agree with you on some of the points you raised. There should be restrictions on trans women competing in women's sport. That much isn't controversial to anyone approaching the issue in good faith.

It's a complicated problem that requires a nuanced, evidence-based response. Questions around age of transition, hormone levels, competitive advantage, these are technical matters that need to be handled by experts, not activists or culture-war tourists. I don't pretend to have all the answers.

What does need addressing is the ability for people to exploit poorly defined rules to gain an unfair advantage. Ignoring that reality helps no one.

Unfortunately, people like you, who shout the loudest about this topic, don't actually care about women or women's sport at all. It's just a socially acceptable vehicle for targeting people you already dislike. That's precisely why the nuanced, fact-based discussion required to resolve this properly is impossible in the current climate.

On bathrooms and safety, I also agree that safety must be paramount.

But it doesn't begin and end with cis women. Trans women also face genuine risks if forced into male bathrooms. Pretending otherwise doesn't make the danger disappear, it just makes it someone else's problem.

So once again, we're back to the same conclusion, this issue demands a careful, evidence-driven approach that balances competing risks. And once again, that approach is undermined by those who weaponise the issue as a tool of hatred rather than engaging with it honestly or constructively, so it's pointless to even try here.

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Re: The truth about trans people
Reply #4858 - Jan 16^th, 2026 at 8:37pm

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jan 16^th, 2026 at 11:04am:

I was very clear, Fran.

I actually agree with you on some of the points you raised. There should be restrictions on trans women competing in women's sport. That much isn't controversial to anyone approaching the issue in good faith.

It's a complicated problem that requires a nuanced, evidence-based response. Questions around age of transition, hormone levels, competitive advantage, these are technical matters that need to be handled by experts, not activists or culture-war tourists. I don't pretend to have all the answers.

What does need addressing is the ability for people to exploit poorly defined rules to gain an unfair advantage. Ignoring that reality helps no one.

Unfortunately, people like you, who shout the loudest about this topic, don't actually care about women or women's sport at all. It's just a socially acceptable vehicle for targeting people you already dislike. That's precisely why the nuanced, fact-based discussion required to resolve this properly is impossible in the current climate.

On bathrooms and safety, I also agree that safety must be paramount.

But it doesn't begin and end with cis women. Trans women also face genuine risks if forced into male bathrooms. Pretending otherwise doesn't make the danger disappear, it just makes it someone else's problem.

So once again, we're back to the same conclusion, this issue demands a careful, evidence-driven approach that balances competing risks. And once again, that approach is undermined by those who weaponise the issue as a tool of hatred rather than engaging with it honestly or constructively, so it's pointless to even try here.

Within an hour!!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15461027/Transgender-man-raped-male-psy...

The evidence based approach clearly shows that men cannot turn themselves into women and women cannot turn themselves into men.

This is not about love or hate or indifference. It is about not validating fantasy as if it was reality. It is about evidence, not wishful thinking.

Re 'safety must be paramount' - whose safety? Women's safety or the safety of men who pretend to be women?

Evidence based approach meets farce based approach

https://x.com/RealJamesWoods/status/2011904956958458085

https://x.com/DGrayTexas45/status/2011907007574356080

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