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Reply #4275 - Jul 30th, 2023 at 9:00am
 
If you look very closely, there are actually two sources in that article Mothy.

1. She was speaking on a television program.

2. She was interviewed on a news website.

I'm beginning to think that Larry is right about you.
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Reply #4276 - Jul 30th, 2023 at 9:06am
 
The Heartless Felon wrote on Jul 30th, 2023 at 9:00am:
If you look very closely, there are actually two sources in that article Mothy.

1. She was speaking on a television program.

2. She was interviewed on a news website.

I'm beginning to think that Larry is right about you.


Oh so those are your words? This is your reporting?

I'm not surprised you don't want to admit to it. It's terrible.
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Reply #4277 - Jul 30th, 2023 at 9:09am
 
I'm sorry, it's just occurred to me. Do you not know what i mean when i  say "cite your source"?

It means providing the link to the article you're copying in.

Do you know how to do that? I can talk you through it if you like.
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Reply #4278 - Jul 30th, 2023 at 9:11am
 
mothra wrote on Jul 30th, 2023 at 9:06am:
The Heartless Felon wrote on Jul 30th, 2023 at 9:00am:
If you look very closely, there are actually two sources in that article Mothy.

1. She was speaking on a television program.

2. She was interviewed on a news website.

I'm beginning to think that Larry is right about you.


Oh so those are your words? This is your reporting?

I'm not surprised you don't want to admit to it. It's terrible.


Now you're making no sense at all...
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Re: The truth about trans people
Reply #4279 - Jul 30th, 2023 at 9:13am
 
The Heartless Felon wrote on Jul 30th, 2023 at 9:11am:
mothra wrote on Jul 30th, 2023 at 9:06am:
The Heartless Felon wrote on Jul 30th, 2023 at 9:00am:
If you look very closely, there are actually two sources in that article Mothy.

1. She was speaking on a television program.

2. She was interviewed on a news website.

I'm beginning to think that Larry is right about you.


Oh so those are your words? This is your reporting?

I'm not surprised you don't want to admit to it. It's terrible.


Now you're making no sense at all...



Are you kidding?

Did you write the article with all of the quotes in it or did you not?
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Reply #4280 - Jul 30th, 2023 at 9:23am
 
Utter insanity!

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/dawn-butler-s-transgender-madness/

Dawn Butler’s transgender madness


Imagine if a politician went on TV and said ‘The Earth is flat’. Or ‘Man didn’t really land on the Moon, you know’. We would worry about that politician’s fitness for public life. Well, Dawn Butler has just done the trans equivalent of that. She appeared on Good Morning Britain yesterday and said babies are born without a sex. That is easily as loopy and anti-scientific as saying the Earth isn’t a sphere.

Butler, the Labour MP for Brent, was taking part in another discussion about Labour’s interminable slide down the trans rabbit hole. Labour has completely lost the plot on this issue.

Last week, a group called the Labour Campaign for Trans Rights issued a purge-like document insisting that everyone in the Labour party bow down to the mantra that ‘trans women are women’ and ‘trans men are men’ or risk being branded a transphobic bigot and booted out of the party.

To put this bluntly, this means if you do not accept that someone with a penis and a beard who calls himself Sharon is a woman — a complete woman, as much as your mother, wife or sister is a woman — then you are a hateful creature who has no place in the Labour party.

It’s mad, clearly. And yet leadership candidates, including Butler, rushed to sign it, despite protestations from feminists who think people with penises are blokes, not women, and who presumably also think two plus two equals four, pesky thought criminals that they are.

On GMB, against a gently questioning Richard Madeley, Butler appeared to defend the threatened purge from Labour of anyone who believes in biological reality. To say she doubled down is an understatement. She said ‘a child is born without sex’. Cue dropped jaws across the land.

Her point, presumably, is that the ancient human habit of saying ‘It’s a boy!’ or ‘It’s a girl!’ when a kid is born has always been a nasty, transphobic imposition on kids who actually should be allowed to decide for themselves what their own sex is.

To hell with biological truth. To hell with millennia of knowledge about the mammalian differences between the sexes. To hell with what we know through study and experience to be true. No, all that matters today in this era of hyper genderfludity and widespread sex denialism is the right of the individual to decree whether he is male or female.

The idea that a baby is born without sex is obviously nuts. But it is also the logical conclusion to the increasingly irrational, anti-scientific ideology of transgenderism. A key component of Labour’s new trans policy, and of trans campaigning more broadly, is that people should be allowed to identify as whatever sex they please.

I could click my fingers and say ‘My name is Brenda and I am a woman’, and hey presto, I become a woman. An actual woman. A real woman.


Feminists are completely right to describe this as a misogynistic idea. First, because it reduces womanhood to little more than a pose, a posture, an identity you can adopt with mere words, with mere declaration.

And secondly because it would allow biological males — yes, there is such a thing, Dawn — to enter women’s spaces, including their changing rooms, domestic violence shelters, and even all-women party shortlists. Even women’s prisons. Last week, Lisa Nandy said male rapists who transition to become women should be sent to women’s prisons. This is a deeply alarming and outright dangerous idea.

We need to recognise the seriousness of all this. A senior Labour figure is flat-out denying scientific truth on national TV. Another senior Labour figure is proposing putting male rapists into close, walled quarters with vulnerable women. This is backward thinking. It feels like a kind of hysteria, where otherwise sensible people are saying things that are clearly untrue and even unhinged.
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Reply #4281 - Jul 30th, 2023 at 9:24am
 
The Spectator. Comfort food for septugentarians.
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Reply #4282 - Jul 30th, 2023 at 9:27am
 
mothra wrote on Jul 30th, 2023 at 9:24am:
The Spectator. Comfort food for septugentarians.


You should feel comfortable and right at home then Methra.
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Reply #4283 - Jul 30th, 2023 at 9:27am
 
But did you see how Larry cited his sources, Felon?

Admittedly, he spells is "sauce", not :"source" ... but he got the idea down.
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Reply #4284 - Jul 30th, 2023 at 9:27am
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 30th, 2023 at 9:27am:
mothra wrote on Jul 30th, 2023 at 9:24am:
The Spectator. Comfort food for septugentarians.


You should feel comfortable and right at home then Methra.


Wasn't me who cited it. Larry.
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Reply #4285 - Jul 30th, 2023 at 9:31am
 
Let’s get back to the topic. That means posting over Methra’s Madness which clearly intends to disrupt and hijack the topic.

A heads up re Manic Methra : once she/he/it has lost the argument...the publication you’ve used will become THE focus and obsession of Methra’s consequent off topic trolling diarrhoea.

Take heart ... it essentially means you’ve kicked Methra’s boomer barge arse.
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Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 30th, 2023 at 9:23am:
Utter insanity!

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/dawn-butler-s-transgender-madness/

Dawn Butler’s transgender madness


Imagine if a politician went on TV and said ‘The Earth is flat’. Or ‘Man didn’t really land on the Moon, you know’. We would worry about that politician’s fitness for public life. Well, Dawn Butler has just done the trans equivalent of that. She appeared on Good Morning Britain yesterday and said babies are born without a sex. That is easily as loopy and anti-scientific as saying the Earth isn’t a sphere.

Butler, the Labour MP for Brent, was taking part in another discussion about Labour’s interminable slide down the trans rabbit hole. Labour has completely lost the plot on this issue.

Last week, a group called the Labour Campaign for Trans Rights issued a purge-like document insisting that everyone in the Labour party bow down to the mantra that ‘trans women are women’ and ‘trans men are men’ or risk being branded a transphobic bigot and booted out of the party.

To put this bluntly, this means if you do not accept that someone with a penis and a beard who calls himself Sharon is a woman — a complete woman, as much as your mother, wife or sister is a woman — then you are a hateful creature who has no place in the Labour party.

It’s mad, clearly. And yet leadership candidates, including Butler, rushed to sign it, despite protestations from feminists who think people with penises are blokes, not women, and who presumably also think two plus two equals four, pesky thought criminals that they are.

On GMB, against a gently questioning Richard Madeley, Butler appeared to defend the threatened purge from Labour of anyone who believes in biological reality. To say she doubled down is an understatement. She said ‘a child is born without sex’. Cue dropped jaws across the land.

Her point, presumably, is that the ancient human habit of saying ‘It’s a boy!’ or ‘It’s a girl!’ when a kid is born has always been a nasty, transphobic imposition on kids who actually should be allowed to decide for themselves what their own sex is.

To hell with biological truth. To hell with millennia of knowledge about the mammalian differences between the sexes. To hell with what we know through study and experience to be true. No, all that matters today in this era of hyper genderfludity and widespread sex denialism is the right of the individual to decree whether he is male or female.

The idea that a baby is born without sex is obviously nuts. But it is also the logical conclusion to the increasingly irrational, anti-scientific ideology of transgenderism. A key component of Labour’s new trans policy, and of trans campaigning more broadly, is that people should be allowed to identify as whatever sex they please.

I could click my fingers and say ‘My name is Brenda and I am a woman’, and hey presto, I become a woman. An actual woman. A real woman.


Feminists are completely right to describe this as a misogynistic idea. First, because it reduces womanhood to little more than a pose, a posture, an identity you can adopt with mere words, with mere declaration.

And secondly because it would allow biological males — yes, there is such a thing, Dawn — to enter women’s spaces, including their changing rooms, domestic violence shelters, and even all-women party shortlists. Even women’s prisons. Last week, Lisa Nandy said male rapists who transition to become women should be sent to women’s prisons. This is a deeply alarming and outright dangerous idea.

We need to recognise the seriousness of all this. A senior Labour figure is flat-out denying scientific truth on national TV. Another senior Labour figure is proposing putting male rapists into close, walled quarters with vulnerable women. This is backward thinking. It feels like a kind of hysteria, where otherwise sensible people are saying things that are clearly untrue and even unhinged.

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Reply #4286 - Jul 30th, 2023 at 9:49am
 
mothra wrote on Jul 30th, 2023 at 9:24am:
The Spectator. Comfort food for septugentarians.

Brendan O'Neill is the editor of Spiked, ignorant, tendentious frightbat.

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Reply #4287 - Jul 30th, 2023 at 10:11am
 
Frank wrote on Jul 30th, 2023 at 9:49am:
mothra wrote on Jul 30th, 2023 at 9:24am:
The Spectator. Comfort food for septugentarians.

Brendan O'Neill is the editor of Spiked, ig irant, tendentious frightbat.




I'm sorry. Were you waiting for confetti or something?
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Reply #4288 - Jul 30th, 2023 at 10:14am
 
Frank wrote on Jul 30th, 2023 at 9:49am:
mothra wrote on Jul 30th, 2023 at 9:24am:
The Spectator. Comfort food for septugentarians.

Brendan O'Neill is the editor of Spiked, ig irant, tendentious frightbat.



You wanna phone a friend and try again?   Wink

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Reply #4289 - Jul 30th, 2023 at 12:20pm
 
mothra wrote on Jul 30th, 2023 at 10:11am:
Frank wrote on Jul 30th, 2023 at 9:49am:
mothra wrote on Jul 30th, 2023 at 9:24am:
The Spectator. Comfort food for septugentarians.

Brendan O'Neill is the editor of Spiked, ignorant, tendentious frightbat.




I'm sorry. Were you waiting for confetti or something?


No. I am just pointing out how ignorant, stupid and blinkered you are. As for all fatuous, screaching frightbats, it is never WHAT is said that matters for you but who says it and where. 


Brendan O'Neill is a British pundit and author. He was the editor of Spiked from 2007 to September 2021, and is its "chief political writer".[1] He has been a columnist for The Australian, The Big Issue, and The Spectator.

Editor of Spiked (2007–2021) and columnist for The Australian and The Big Issue
Political party: Revolutionary Communist (1990s)
Once a Trotskyist, O'Neill was formerly a member of the Revolutionary Communist Party and wrote for the party's journal Living Marxism. In 2019, O'Neill said he was a Marxist libertarian.



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