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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 115408 Melbourne Gender:	Re: EV batteries are dangerous. Reply #120 - Oct 31^st, 2023 at 9:57pm Tesla Rolls Into the water and Catches Fire.
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AusGeoff Gold Member Offline Sage of Gippsland Posts: 6025 Victoria Gender:	Re: EV batteries are dangerous. Reply #121 - Nov 1^st, 2023 at 6:17am Lithium + H₂O = instant, violent combustion. Tesla + megadollars = potential death trap. And not to mention—in this scenario—the massive amounts of pollutants spread through the water by changing currents.
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issuevoter Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9200 The Great State of Mind Gender:	Re: EV batteries are dangerous. Reply #122 - Nov 1^st, 2023 at 6:22am Ford and GM have halted EV production.
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Reply #123 - Nov 1^st, 2023 at 6:23am

AusGeoff wrote on Nov 1^st, 2023 at 6:17am:

Lithium + H₂O = instant, violent combustion.

Tesla + megadollars = potential death trap.

And not to mention—in this scenario—the massive
amounts of pollutants spread through the water by
changing currents.

Angry

We've all seen it before -

something sounds like such a great idea but it isn't.

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Reply #124 - Nov 1^st, 2023 at 11:31pm

Bobby. wrote on Nov 1^st, 2023 at 6:23am:

AusGeoff wrote on Nov 1^st, 2023 at 6:17am:

Lithium + H₂O = instant, violent combustion.

Tesla + megadollars = potential death trap.

And not to mention—in this scenario—the massive
amounts of pollutants spread through the water by
changing currents.

Angry

We've all seen it before -

something sounds like such a great idea but it isn't.

Agreed. One of the major issues that's been hushed
up by the EV industry (and Musk) is the disposal and/or
reclaiming and/or rebuilding of these batteries, which
are claimed to have a lifetime of only eight years or
160,000km.
[Stephen Corby, CarsGuide.com.au, 22 March 2022.]

Which, here in Australia, means that nearly every EV
battery will need replacing at least once. And at what
cost to the owner?

Well, at a very high (impractical?) price...

US Recurrent magazine stated in a March 2023 report
that pricing to replace the onboard battery system can
range anywhere from AU$202/kWh for a Nissan Leaf
to as much as AU$266/kWh for the Tesla Model 3.

This means total replacement cost for a Tesla Model 3,
including labour, could be as high as AU$22,188, or
roughly one-third of the car’s total value.

So... what will the current(!) owners of EVs do at the
end-life of their batteries? Sell the car with only 160K
on the clock, or replace the battery after 8 years?

Footnote: The average age of cars in Australia is 11.7 years,
according to the (ABS) Australian Bureau of Statistics in March
this year.

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issuevoter Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9200 The Great State of Mind Gender:	Re: EV batteries are dangerous. Reply #125 - Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 12:26pm Honda has halted EV production.
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Reply #126 - Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 12:28pm

issuevoter wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2023 at 12:26pm:

Honda has halted EV production.

They did too:

https://arstechnica.com/cars/2023/10/honda-cancels-plan-for-cheap-electric-vehic...

Honda says making cheap electric vehicles is too hard, ends deal with GM
The platform was to use GM's Ultium batteries.

Jonathan M. Gitlin - 10/26/2023, 2:25 AM

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 115408 Melbourne Gender:	Re: EV batteries are dangerous. Reply #127 - Nov 26^th, 2023 at 5:55am
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Reply #128 - Nov 27^th, 2023 at 5:45am

Tesla is now upgrading its battery pack using
46800 (46ø x 80mm) cells...

And/or LFP prismatic cells (280 x 62 x 63mm)...

The 46800s make for a more economical installation
as they mount directly into the Tesla's floor pan, with
no need for a separate carrier.

And the LFPs are a safer cell than any previously
designed and manufactured cell, but at a higher cost
and with lower energy density.

Everything's a trade off with EVs —cost v. safety.

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AusGeoff Gold Member Offline Sage of Gippsland Posts: 6025 Victoria Gender:	Re: EV batteries are dangerous. Reply #129 - Nov 27^th, 2023 at 5:51am Bobby's cartoon is actually conservative. Yikes! In April this year, the total replacement cost for a Tesla Model 3, including labour, was $22,188.
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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 115408 Melbourne Gender:	Re: EV batteries are dangerous. Reply #130 - Feb 3^rd, 2024 at 6:25pm Dangerous and no good for the environment:
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Reply #131 - Mar 18^th, 2024 at 3:16pm

Sudden EV Explosion, Rockets up 5 Meters,

Close to 100 BYD Autos Spontaneously Combust

1,665,420 views Jan 4, 2024

In the video, a white color new energy vehicle that was charging suddenly exploded.
It generated a powerful shockwave that sent the car vertically soaring.
It appears that the car was propelled to 3 to 5 meters.
In slow-motion footage, it can be observed that parts resembling car doors
were also propelled by the shockwave as the car shot upwards.

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Baronvonrort Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20122 Gender:	Re: EV batteries are dangerous. Reply #133 - Mar 18^th, 2024 at 9:15pm Video of electric scooter going up in flames. Would you try to put it out or run away? https://twitter.com/expensiveaccide/status/1765318550007459973
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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 115408 Melbourne Gender:	Re: EV batteries are dangerous. Reply #134 - Mar 18^th, 2024 at 9:18pm Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 18^th, 2024 at 9:15pm: Video of electric scooter going up in flames. Would you try to put it out or run away? https://twitter.com/expensiveaccide/status/1765318550007459973 That's scary. Batteries are too dangerous.
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